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Old 6th Sep 2017, 12:56
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What happens to non priority pax who have only a single carry on bag that happens to have wheels ?
Is it allowed or will there be effectively a zero cabin bag policy for these pax ?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 13:46
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dj beat me to it - are non priority passengers with one bag only that fits their dimensional (55x40x20) test box have it taken off them ?


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
What happens to non priority pax who have only a single carry on bag that happens to have wheels ?
Is it allowed or will there be effectively a zero cabin bag policy for these pax ?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 15:38
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They can't just find a happy medium, can they?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 16:07
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their dimensional (55x40x20) test box
Caveat emptor! Many airports still have the old box size metal gauge!!
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:32
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It appears that Ryanair's less than random seat allocation policy has been rumbled.

Ryanair admits that it tries to 'keep window and aisle seats free' when randomly allocating seats

I think they are missing a trick here as if they told people that they will probably be allocated a random middle seat it might prompt a few more to fork out for something better.

I actually have no problem with this as I'm happy to pay the small additional amount to have an allocated seat, and given the new rules, to also be sure of getting my carry-on bags carried on.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:38
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Not totally clear from the press release, but it looks like one small bag in the cabin for non-priority passengers

We hope that by restricting non-priority customers to one small carry-on bag
1 small (35cm x 20cm x 20cm)
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 23:28
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Originally Posted by caiman27
It appears that Ryanair's less than random seat allocation policy has been rumbled.
If they assign all the middle seats up to 4 days ahead to they who don't pay extra, how will they sell late tickets to families or other type of groups. Do FR think all late bookers are loners.
If they already have delay problems with to much handluggage, a round of musical chairs during boarding, including bag moving, is not going to help the situation. How much ontime are they willing to sacrifice on the altar of ancilliary revenue. Further inflated flighttime in the schedule to acommodate increasing turnaround time is not going to be as positive for utilization(cost) as it is for their official ontime stats.
Flew SAS last week but didn't bother paying extra to choose a seat early. Even though checkin is just from 24hrs before flight, still got 3 out of 4 legs at emergency exits for 2 people sitting together even though all flights pretty full. Long back to the days before priority boarding, assigned seats and double bags when you could lateboard faster FR flights on real 25 minute turnarounds and still nearly always get emergency exit seats. When will an airline take up that lost mantel.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 06:37
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Not totally clear from the press release, but it looks like one small bag in the cabin for non-priority passengers
The statement linked in post #4056 is pretty unambiguous.

One wonders if an unintended consequence will be people showing up at the gate with "carry-on" that's bigger than the 55x40x20 cm limit, in the knowledge that it will be put in the hold anyway, thereby saving them the checked baggage fee.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 11:16
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As a layman, won't the loading of, say, 100 cases at the gate cause significant delays? Also, I assume the ground handling agents will require additional payment for this additional workload?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 11:36
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As a layman, won't the loading of, say, 100 cases at the gate cause significant delays? Also, I assume the ground handling agents will require additional payment for this additional workload?

Indeed. That was the thinking behind RYR's baggage charge. They sold it on the basis that people with no baggage should not subsidise those who do. RYR has to pay a loading crew. Do they pay per bag? No idea. A loading crew is a loading crew. That's one reason they only load in 1 hold = 1 crew and faster. This then created a pax seating problem whereby they had herded you all into the middle on low load flights: balance.
RYR then teamed up with Samsonite to design a RYR size cabin bag, so as to further reduce loading crew costs, only to find that 140 was the max the hatbins would carry. So baggage was off-loaded. But RYR sold the deal of remote airports & hand baggage on the basis of no waiting at destination for bags. Now they fly to BIG airports where baggage can take 30-45 minutes to arrive, and your hand baggage is taken off you. It might be free, but you'll still have to wait. It would seem the only way to keep control of the situation is to allow only quite small hand-baggage and everything else is in the hold. That way the pax know exactly where they stand; waiting for bags, or not, and planning knows how many hold bags are coming at them.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 14:26
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Originally Posted by RAT 5
[I]But RYR sold the deal of remote airports & hand baggage on the basis of no waiting at destination for bags. Now they fly to BIG airports where baggage can take 30-45 minutes to arrive, and your hand baggage is taken off you. It might be free, but you'll still have to wait.
They could do like SAS on their smaller fligts that don't use air-bridges, and set the gate loaded items out for collection at the bottom of the stairs as you disembark. This way you get the bags out of the cabin but with the advantage for the passenger of less theft risk (no scan of content) and no waiting at carousels.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 14:36
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I too was wondering how these second/'big' wheelie bags get from gate to hold.

and set the gate loaded items out for collection at the bottom of the stairs as you disembark.
Fine on a Regional jet - but on a 738? Could be 100 plus - how do they get there? People milling the apron looking for their bags? nightmare...
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 14:58
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I too was wondering how these second/'big' wheelie bags get from gate to hold.
Fine on a Regional jet - but on a 738? Could be 100 plus - how do they get there? People milling the apron looking for their bags? nightmare...
On SAS they are tagged at gate and carried by passenger to foot of stairs.
We are not talking all the bags, only the medium sized from the non priority.
A nice row prepared while airstairs are put in place, and before disembarking, sorts the milling problem.

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Old 7th Sep 2017, 15:24
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They're going to end up doing it like Wizz, aren't they? Charging for big hand baggage and allowing small stuff free?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 16:45
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Originally Posted by 01475
They're going to end up doing it like Wizz, aren't they? Charging for big hand baggage and allowing small stuff free?
Hand baggage is free with Wizz Air from this winter, they encourage you to buy priority boarding to ensure your bag gets in the cabin but aren't enforcing it as strictly as Ryanair appear to be.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 18:12
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Originally Posted by Shamrock350
Hand baggage is free with Wizz Air from this winter, they encourage you to buy priority boarding to ensure your bag gets in the cabin but aren't enforcing it as strictly as Ryanair appear to be.
As a Wizz air regular I can tell you they are enforcing it.
Bought their privelege pass and proven to be a great payback in seats and bags.

Not surprised FR going this way as people dragging on bigger and bigger bags.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 18:21
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How about under the seat in front or have Ryanair sold that for cargo?
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 19:58
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Originally Posted by racedo
As a Wizz air regular I can tell you they are enforcing it.
Bought their privelege pass and proven to be a great payback in seats and bags.

Not surprised FR going this way as people dragging on bigger and bigger bags.
As a Wizz Air regular myself I can tell you the new bag rules aren't being enforced as they don't come into effect until October 29th...

The new rules allow one standard carry on bag free of charge for all passengers but they can only guarantee the first 90 bags so encourage passengers to purchase priority boarding which ensures your bag gets on board and also allows a smaller second item.

It won't be enforced in the same way as Ryanair where everyone who hasn't purchased priority boarding will have their larger carry on taken off them.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 21:24
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Originally Posted by sky9
How about under the seat in front or have Ryanair sold that for cargo?
Under the seat is where your small carry on will go if the overheads are full. Otherwise, you can put it up.

The policy was abused but it also wasn't very well enforced. I watched a passenger shove a huge sports bag into an overhead recently; it basically filled the entire overhead bin. I asked myself how he managed to get it onboard.

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Old 7th Sep 2017, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Shamrock350
As a Wizz Air regular myself I can tell you the new bag rules aren't being enforced as they don't come into effect until October 29th...

The new rules allow one standard carry on bag free of charge for all passengers but they can only guarantee the first 90 bags so encourage passengers to purchase priority boarding which ensures your bag gets on board and also allows a smaller second item.

It won't be enforced in the same way as Ryanair where everyone who hasn't purchased priority boarding will have their larger carry on taken off them.
Current wizz rules on small bag v big bag are being enforced.
But then again it depends on the airports one ia using.
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