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[Shamrock350]

Originally Posted by racedo

Current wizz rules on small bag v big bag are being enforced.
But then again it depends on the airports one ia using.

Yep but I was referring to Wizz Air's new rules due to come into effect at the same time as the new Ryanair policy. A fair comparison.

Note I said "this winter" in relation to Wizz:

Originally Posted by Shamrock350

Hand baggage is free with Wizz Air from this winter, they encourage you to buy priority boarding to ensure your bag gets in the cabin but aren't enforcing it as strictly as Ryanair appear to be.

I'm well aware Wizz enforce their current rules quite strictly but from November onwards they'll be more relaxed while Ryanair gets tougher, claiming anyone without priority boarding will have their larger item taken off them at the gate. The two are moving in opposite directions with regards to baggage.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by Shamrock350

I'm well aware Wizz enforce their current rules quite strictly but from November onwards they'll be more relaxed while Ryanair gets tougher, claiming anyone without priority boarding will have their larger item taken off them at the gate. The two are moving in opposite directions with regards to baggage.

Only difference is timing as they will follow eventually.

[M-JCS]

I still can't help but think that there is something deceptive in the EasyJet / Ryanair policy regarding carry-on bags. It all started out years ago with strict bag size measurement at the gate, oversize bags being tagged for the hold, and a hold baggage charge imposed. Now oversize/excess bags are being put into the hold free of charge, either at the gate or after boarding, much to the chagrin of those passengers who properly checked their bags, paying the hold baggage fee. I can understand very well if those passengers feel as though they have been abused by the carrier.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by M-JCS

I still can't help but think that there is something deceptive in the EasyJet / Ryanair policy regarding carry-on bags. It all started out years ago with strict bag size measurement at the gate, oversize bags being tagged for the hold, and a hold baggage charge imposed. Now oversize/excess bags are being put into the hold free of charge, either at the gate or after boarding, much to the chagrin of those passengers who properly checked their bags, paying the hold baggage fee. I can understand very well if those passengers feel as though they have been abused by the carrier.

In all likelihood that's the gate staff (who are probably not Ryanair employees) taking the line of least resistance.

If they let oversize carry-ons on board, they will get grief from the cabin crew when it's found that they won't fit in the overheads. If they try to extract the £50/€50 at the gate, they will risk a boarding delay.

Far quicker just to tag the bag for the hold and pretend the passenger has volunteered to give it up, with probably no repercussions.

I suspect that some passengers who fly RYR regularly have sussed this and take advantage of it. Even being caught out occasionally, you're probably still quids in overall.

[Mr A Tis]

Isn't it time this baggage nonsense was ended? The likes of RYR, EZY , Jet2, Wizz etc often charge more for checked baggage than the passenger. There is simply far too much heavy baggage in the cabin. The overheads used to be hatracks not luggage containers.
This faff of off loading bags etc takes so much time, the weight above peoples heads is hardly safe in the event of an accident and of course in an evacuation everyone is getting the bags out.
Stop penalising people with hefty baggage fees (even if it means a slight increase in pax fees) and get all the luggage in the hold, which is where it should be- safely stowed.

[Rob Royston]

Originally Posted by Mr A Tis

Isn't it time this baggage nonsense was ended? The likes of RYR, EZY , Jet2, Wizz etc often charge more for checked baggage than the passenger. There is simply far too much heavy baggage in the cabin. The overheads used to be hatracks not luggage containers.

Maybe all airlines should include hold baggage in the fares and make a hefty charge for cabin baggage. You see passengers on long distance flights bringing three pieces of luggage into the economy cabin, then the flight attendants move other passengers coats and small bags to pack them into the bins.

[milhouse999]

Originally Posted by Mr A Tis

Isn't it time this baggage nonsense was ended? The likes of RYR, EZY , Jet2, Wizz etc often charge more for checked baggage than the passenger. There is simply far too much heavy baggage in the cabin. The overheads used to be hatracks not luggage containers.
This faff of off loading bags etc takes so much time, the weight above peoples heads is hardly safe in the event of an accident and of course in an evacuation everyone is getting the bags out.
Stop penalising people with hefty baggage fees (even if it means a slight increase in pax fees) and get all the luggage in the hold, which is where it should be- safely stowed.

I actually completeley agree with everything you have just said.

What also amazes me, is Ryanair and Easy both advertise cabin baggage as having 'NO WEIGHT LIMIT' but only a size limit.

So someone can technically take a lead weight in a small bag and stick it in the OH bins. Those bins have as strict weight limit I'm sure from the manufacturer, so it's a totally irresponsible thing to advertise. God forbid a bracket fails and the whole lot comes down.

And when it happens: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...axied-off.html

PROOF:

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Think how much faster security would be if only people and one piece of small hand luggage were being processed, instead of one pax with one hold bag one cabin bag and hand/man bag plus various electronic gismo's and gadgets. I have seen one pax take 15 min's and 6 trays before now!

[LAX_LHR]

I agree that hand luggage is getting out of control.

Even with these bag sizers, the size of some of the 'hand bags' are bloody massive, and the things people taking in them is getting more random too.

In my travels, I have been stuck behind people carrying:

-a satellite dish
-brake disks for a car
-a bag full of rocks/pebbles (no, I'm not joking in the slightest)
-a full car wing mirror, indicator lights and all
-a microwave oven
-an angle grinder

And my personal favourite, a bag full of oversize liquids, like shower gels, shampoos, drinks and more, there was literally nothing else in their bag, but they still protested to say 'why can't I take this, these rules are ridiculous!

It's time hand baggage was scaled back down. Either the things you need for a very short city break, or, things you need for your flight and that's it! We didn't self implode, or shrivel up in a corner for the short period we were not allowed to carry hand luggage at all, so, we can do it again.

[RAT 5]

Back to the future. Were there problems >18 years ago? It was about then that baggage charges started and all this kerfuffle started. KISS. Look at the profit of some LoCo and it equals the amount of their add-on charges. What a coincidence.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by LAX_LHR

Even with these bag sizers, the size of some of the 'hand bags' are bloody massive

Are you saying that the bag sizers don't work, and that you can get bigger-than-regulation-size bags into them ?

Or that they do work, but only when they are used ?

[NorthEasterner]

Metal gauge Sizers are used. However it is not possible to check every single bag especially under the time pressure gate staff have. I'm talking from personal experience here as an ex gate agent. If you come across a pax with oversized bag it takes a good 5-10 mins to get the £/€50 payment especially if paying by card. I used to rigorously enforce the 90 bag rule any pax refusing to put bag in hold or pay up was refused travel.

[LAX_LHR]

I'm saying that the bag sizers don't seem to be policed/used the way they used to.

On the vast majority of my flights, I see lots of bags that no way in Hell would they fit into the baggage sizers, not in a million years. And those bags only just fit into the overhead lockers. I've even seen some larger bags having to be put inside larger storages on some flights!

As said in the post above, in the age of the 25 minute turn around, it seems staff are reluctant to hold that process up to police the bag sizes (obviously some do, but not all).

I would say that another issue for checking cabin bag size is the on line check in and self bag drop process. This means that apart from security which is nothing to do with the airline, the gate staff are the first airline representatives passengers see, and thus a fair few people get away with it.

[RobsonCanolo]

And my personal favourite, a bag full of oversize liquids, like shower gels,

Question when does a liquid become a solid. For example when a liquid is more viscous or greater than a standard Greek Joghurt it's no longer classified as a liquid. So you can bring unlimited quantities - constrained only by the mass limitations or the physical dimensions of the bag?

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by RobsonCanolo

Question when does a liquid become a solid. For example when a liquid is more viscous or greater than a standard Greek Joghurt it's no longer classified as a liquid. So you can bring unlimited quantities - constrained only by the mass limitations or the physical dimensions of the bag?

Good luck trying to get more than 100ml of yogurt, regardless of how thick it is, through security at any major airport.

[jpta2000]

12 new routes from Malta next summer. Three routes (Belfast, Naples and Riga) actually start Winter 17. Barcelona seems to be just a switch from GRO to BCN.
The new routes are Aberdeen, Belfast, Seville, Pescara, Bratislava, Gothenburg, Paris Beauvais, Porto, Tallin and extended services to Barcelona, Naples and Riga.
https://www.timesofmalta.com/mobile/...-routes.657679

[racedo]

Originally Posted by jpta2000

12 new routes from Malta next summer. Three routes (Belfast, Naples and Riga) actually start Winter 17. Barcelona seems to be just a frequency increase.
The new routes are Aberdeen, Belfast, Seville, Pescara, Bratislava, Gothenburg, Paris Beauvais, Porto, Tallin and extended services to Barcelona, Naples and Riga.
https://www.timesofmalta.com/mobile/...-routes.657679

Keep wanting to visit Malta...................... may finally take the opportunity.

[EGAC is Better]

Couple of things that spring to mind when reading the recent responses above;

1. Electronics with lithium batteries cannot go in the hold due to fire risks. Almost eveyone carries at least one these days. This needs to be factored in when people carry one cabin bag with everything in it.

2. I'm one of those people with two bags. I (or my company) pay for the privelidge. 1x size compliant case and a bag of all my electronics (for under the seat in front). Given that I pay my way; it is somewhat infuriating to see people bring onboard 1 huge bag that takes more space than my 2 and they didn't pay a penny.

If you come across a pax with oversized bag it takes a good 5-10 mins to get the £/€50 payment especially if paying by card.

3. Simple solution, "sir/madam your bag does not comply with the rules. Please join the end of the queue and we will deal with it when everyone else is processed". If they miss their flight as a result, it's their own fault for not complying with the rules.

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RobsonCanolo
For information taken from HM Gov. website,
Liquids include:

all drinks, including water
liquid or semi-liquid foods, for example soup, jam, honey and syrups
cosmetics and toiletries, including creams, lotions, oils, perfumes, mascara and lip gloss
sprays, including shaving foam, hairspray and spray deodorants
pastes, including toothpaste
gels, including hair and shower gel
contact lens solution
any other solutions and items of similar consistency Just so you know!
Plus of course anything security staff require for breakfast!

[SWBKCB]

3. Simple solution, "sir/madam your bag does not comply with the rules. Please join the end of the queue and we will deal with it when everyone else is processed". If they miss their flight as a result, it's their own fault for not complying with the rules.

What do you do if they've also got a checked bag? It'd need to be off loaded.