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This is not a negative comment, just an observation. Air Berlin used to hub many flights through PMI & Berlin. If you wanted to go from northern Europe to Canaries you had to hub through PMI. It took forever on their schedule and involved getting off/on etc. If you could drive a couple of hours to another airport and fly direct with another operator which would you choose? It took all day to go anywhere. The idea might sound feasible and perhaps attractive, but with so much choice of carriers, and where convenience is worth paying for, it might not work as well as expected.
It strikes me as a tourist thing, not business. If by shifting my flight by a day or two, and driving to another airport I can fly direct at reasonable cost then that's for me. I can't see how 2 sectors with associated charges can be cheaper than one.
It strikes me as a tourist thing, not business. If by shifting my flight by a day or two, and driving to another airport I can fly direct at reasonable cost then that's for me. I can't see how 2 sectors with associated charges can be cheaper than one.
This is not a negative comment, just an observation. Air Berlin used to hub many flights through PMI & Berlin. If you wanted to go from northern Europe to Canaries you had to hub through PMI. It took forever on their schedule and involved getting off/on etc. If you could drive a couple of hours to another airport and fly direct with another operator which would you choose? It took all day to go anywhere. The idea might sound feasible and perhaps attractive, but with so much choice of carriers, and where convenience is worth paying for, it might not work as well as expected.
It strikes me as a tourist thing, not business. If by shifting my flight by a day or two, and driving to another airport I can fly direct at reasonable cost then that's for me. I can't see how 2 sectors with associated charges can be cheaper than one.
It strikes me as a tourist thing, not business. If by shifting my flight by a day or two, and driving to another airport I can fly direct at reasonable cost then that's for me. I can't see how 2 sectors with associated charges can be cheaper than one.
Unless you are going to open up routes where profitability etc is poor OR if you wanted to go to Southern Italy from say Sweden and was always difficult to get there easily.
I agree with racedo on the long term rationale. The boost will come on routes which are nowhere-to-nowhere; namely routes which on their own would never work and for which connecting nowhere to a hub an hour's flight away is currently not particularly profitable. Somewhere like Lanzarote counts as a 'somewhere' airport rather than 'nowhere' so the AirBerlin scenario described is slightly different
More unruly passengers
Drunken stags arrested after fighting on 'nightmare' flight from Manchester Airport - Manchester Evening News
Yet another case of appalling passenger behaviour.
When are agents going to STOP these people BEFORE they get on board.
Not just Ryanair, but when are these airlines going to toughen up and stop them from travelling in the first place. In addition their passports should be confiscated by the authorities for a number of years at least.
Yet another case of appalling passenger behaviour.
When are agents going to STOP these people BEFORE they get on board.
Not just Ryanair, but when are these airlines going to toughen up and stop them from travelling in the first place. In addition their passports should be confiscated by the authorities for a number of years at least.
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A couple of questions for you knowledgable people of pprune :
1) Of the 463 B737-800s delivered up to EI-FZV, have they all come through Dublin base on delivery?
2) What was the first factory delivered B738 to FR with the new Boeing Sky interior?
Thanks!
1) Of the 463 B737-800s delivered up to EI-FZV, have they all come through Dublin base on delivery?
2) What was the first factory delivered B738 to FR with the new Boeing Sky interior?
Thanks!
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1) Of the 463 B737-800s delivered up to EI-FZV, have they all come through Dublin base on delivery?
2) What was the first factory delivered B738 to FR with the new Boeing Sky interior?
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ROUTES TO ARGENTINA, BRAZIL, CUBA, MEXICO & USA ON SALE ON RYANAIR.COM
Ryanair, Spain’s No.1 airline, today (23 May) announced a new flight partnership with Air Europa, which will allow its 130m customers to book Air Europa long haul flights on the Ryanair.com website. From today, customers can browse and book Air Europa flights on 20 long haul routes from Madrid to 16 countries in North, Central and South America, including Argentina, Brazil, Cuba, Mexico and the United States.
- See more at: Welcome to Ryanair!
Ryanair, Spain’s No.1 airline, today (23 May) announced a new flight partnership with Air Europa, which will allow its 130m customers to book Air Europa long haul flights on the Ryanair.com website. From today, customers can browse and book Air Europa flights on 20 long haul routes from Madrid to 16 countries in North, Central and South America, including Argentina, Brazil, Cuba, Mexico and the United States.
- See more at: Welcome to Ryanair!
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A question for those in the know at Ryanair.
Is it now company policy to seat PAX, who do not pay for seating, as far apart as possible? Even in the case of one PAX having an empty seat next to them.
Is it now company policy to seat PAX, who do not pay for seating, as far apart as possible? Even in the case of one PAX having an empty seat next to them.
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Seems to be the case. It used to be based on an algorithm that would fill up rows in a way convenient to the traveller (unless you were one of the last to check in).
On a recent AGP-IBZ-AGP my wife and I were among the first to check in, yet on both flights seated 15 rows apart despite there being open seats next to both of us.
When it came time to print the boarding pass it cheekily reminds you that you're seated far apart, and suggests you might like to purchase seats..
Not exactly the "friendly" image that Ryanair is now trying to somewhat portray.
On a recent AGP-IBZ-AGP my wife and I were among the first to check in, yet on both flights seated 15 rows apart despite there being open seats next to both of us.
When it came time to print the boarding pass it cheekily reminds you that you're seated far apart, and suggests you might like to purchase seats..
Not exactly the "friendly" image that Ryanair is now trying to somewhat portray.
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Yeah that doesn't fall into the AGB mantra but more like SGWA (starting to get worse again lol). How to thoroughly p*ss of your customers !
Kind of undermines all the work they have been doing........
Kind of undermines all the work they have been doing........
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Check this out and see if it ties in with your experience
Basic Row Order:
33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
However it had a few caveats.
(a) If you booked a middle seat and are one the party the other two seats beside you will go right to the top of the queue.
(b) If you book two seats in a single row the remaining seat in your block of three would be put at the top of the queue
When Ryanair originally started assigned seating, (a) and (b) did not apply, however because people were being separated these caveats were put in place to make it less likely that children and parents would be separated. Therefore seats with no free seat next to them are always allocated first for solo travelers.
So therefore the true priority for solo travelers was
Single seats in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
THEN
If there is no single seats, any seat in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
Therefore your very best way of checking in to get seats next to you used to be 32C and 32D.
I was told this by Cabin Crew!
Unfortunately it is certainly different now, because when checking the seat-map I'm seeing 31 and 32 gone a lot with the majority number of premium seats at the front of the plane not filled where previously 31 and 32 you could bet on always being there.
By the way, caveats (a) and (b) still apply to this day, it's just the order of the rows that has changed.
33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
However it had a few caveats.
(a) If you booked a middle seat and are one the party the other two seats beside you will go right to the top of the queue.
(b) If you book two seats in a single row the remaining seat in your block of three would be put at the top of the queue
When Ryanair originally started assigned seating, (a) and (b) did not apply, however because people were being separated these caveats were put in place to make it less likely that children and parents would be separated. Therefore seats with no free seat next to them are always allocated first for solo travelers.
So therefore the true priority for solo travelers was
Single seats in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
THEN
If there is no single seats, any seat in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
Therefore your very best way of checking in to get seats next to you used to be 32C and 32D.
I was told this by Cabin Crew!
Unfortunately it is certainly different now, because when checking the seat-map I'm seeing 31 and 32 gone a lot with the majority number of premium seats at the front of the plane not filled where previously 31 and 32 you could bet on always being there.
By the way, caveats (a) and (b) still apply to this day, it's just the order of the rows that has changed.
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Basic Row Order:
33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
However it had a few caveats.
(a) If you booked a middle seat and are one the party the other two seats beside you will go right to the top of the queue.
(b) If you book two seats in a single row the remaining seat in your block of three would be put at the top of the queue
When Ryanair originally started assigned seating, (a) and (b) did not apply, however because people were being separated these caveats were put in place to make it less likely that children and parents would be separated. Therefore seats with no free seat next to them are always allocated first for solo travelers.
So therefore the true priority for solo travelers was
Single seats in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
THEN
If there is no single seats, any seat in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
Therefore your very best way of checking in to get seats next to you used to be 32C and 32D.
I was told this by Cabin Crew!
Unfortunately it is certainly different now, because when checking the seat-map I'm seeing 31 and 32 gone a lot with the majority number of premium seats at the front of the plane not filled where previously 31 and 32 you could bet on always being there.
By the way, caveats (a) and (b) still apply to this day, it's just the order of the rows that has changed.
33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
However it had a few caveats.
(a) If you booked a middle seat and are one the party the other two seats beside you will go right to the top of the queue.
(b) If you book two seats in a single row the remaining seat in your block of three would be put at the top of the queue
When Ryanair originally started assigned seating, (a) and (b) did not apply, however because people were being separated these caveats were put in place to make it less likely that children and parents would be separated. Therefore seats with no free seat next to them are always allocated first for solo travelers.
So therefore the true priority for solo travelers was
Single seats in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
THEN
If there is no single seats, any seat in 33, 20, 19, 22, 15, 24, 12, 26, 10, 28, 8, 30, 18, 21, 14, 23, 11, 25, 9, 27, 29, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 17, 16, 31, 32
Therefore your very best way of checking in to get seats next to you used to be 32C and 32D.
I was told this by Cabin Crew!
Unfortunately it is certainly different now, because when checking the seat-map I'm seeing 31 and 32 gone a lot with the majority number of premium seats at the front of the plane not filled where previously 31 and 32 you could bet on always being there.
By the way, caveats (a) and (b) still apply to this day, it's just the order of the rows that has changed.
Ryanair always filled full rows (a->f) if there was enough free seats to seat one booking together. If not - your party got seats at a new row (a, b if two people).
Also the queing of rows doesn't quite mach my expierience. I'm prety sure that 5 was gone before 29 for example.
Of course everything has changed now.
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I took a flight with FR last September, CPH-EDI, with 2 friends. I checked us all in online, expecting to be spread all over the place because we didn't pay. We got 15ABC. Lucky us. In January I flew EDI-BLQ-EDI with 2 other friends, they were even on another booking.
I checked us all in, no expecting to be sat anywhere near each other, but I opened up my browser, got 8A, then logged in to their booking and they got 8B, 8C! On the return, the same again, row 10DEF without paying a penny for seating and opening up the two separate bookings at 2 different times.
Seems to be no logic to it. All of those flights were totally full, although I did check in at the very first moment I could.
I checked us all in, no expecting to be sat anywhere near each other, but I opened up my browser, got 8A, then logged in to their booking and they got 8B, 8C! On the return, the same again, row 10DEF without paying a penny for seating and opening up the two separate bookings at 2 different times.
Seems to be no logic to it. All of those flights were totally full, although I did check in at the very first moment I could.
Consumers will purchase a service if they believe that there is a significant chance that the will lose out in a meaningful way if they don't pay. There is a widespread belief amongst many LCC passengers in the UK that paying for seating is a waste of money. Yes those why fly LCCs very rarey or the elderly might end up being scared into paying, but if the last few times you experimented with not paying for seating and got away with it, then the incentive to pay in future is lost. There are plenty of websites giving loads of info on the 'pay for seating' ruse with LCCs
In essence, if you realise that the rumoured big bad wolf is actually a friendly old labrador who just wants you to tickle his tummy, then you're hardly going to pay again in future
Ryanair have to decide what paying for seating is about, essentially define themarketing proposition. Is it
- a way of further monetising just the weaker sections of society or
- a way to further monetise a large section of the customer base
If they want option 2, then it must be demonstrated clearly (not necessarily100% of the time) to consumers that the service has non zero value and not paying will lead to a bad outcome for passengers on a significant proportion of occasions
In essence, if you realise that the rumoured big bad wolf is actually a friendly old labrador who just wants you to tickle his tummy, then you're hardly going to pay again in future
Ryanair have to decide what paying for seating is about, essentially define themarketing proposition. Is it
- a way of further monetising just the weaker sections of society or
- a way to further monetise a large section of the customer base
If they want option 2, then it must be demonstrated clearly (not necessarily100% of the time) to consumers that the service has non zero value and not paying will lead to a bad outcome for passengers on a significant proportion of occasions