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Could those SAUDIA dates relate to Hadj ? They seem to be more at the back end than summer.
At least nobody can complain about lack of frequency, certainly bags of critical mass !
As MANFOD says hope they survive but more in hope than expectation, unless they know something we don't ?
At least nobody can complain about lack of frequency, certainly bags of critical mass !
As MANFOD says hope they survive but more in hope than expectation, unless they know something we don't ?
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Some diverts at man today, Aer lingus had a flight from dub to bhx diverted to Man
Lufthansa LH952 FRA-BHX diverted to Man
Klm KL1421 AMS-BHX diverted to Man'
Few cancelled too
Lufthansa LH952 FRA-BHX diverted to Man
Klm KL1421 AMS-BHX diverted to Man'
Few cancelled too
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Seems BHX is getting 3 charter flights from China Southern on PEK-BHX this summer.
So, despite all the bluster MAN give on being 'really close' to securing a flight, and constant visits by Chinese carriers route development teams, my money is now on BHX getting a China route first. The charter flights could be the perfect catalyst BHX needs to get a regular scheduled flight.
So, despite all the bluster MAN give on being 'really close' to securing a flight, and constant visits by Chinese carriers route development teams, my money is now on BHX getting a China route first. The charter flights could be the perfect catalyst BHX needs to get a regular scheduled flight.
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This has been the result of three years planning between BHX China Southern and Chinese travel companies so hopefully it will lead to a scheduled service it was never in doubt in my opinion that BHX would get a service to China
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it was never in doubt in my opinion that BHX would get a service to China
Cathay has stated MAN is likely to be served from 2016, Air China reps/bigwigs have been to MAN more than 3 times in the past 6 weeks, MAN saying they are in the final stages in a new route and Hanian have also been to MAN numerous times, I honestly expected it to get the scheduled link first. The BHX charters are for a specific purpose so MAN may yet get the first scheduled link, but, BHX does now have a good lead-in with these flights. The only thing I would say is that testing the waters may not be the case, as CZ's main hub is Guangzhou so could be a different market dynamic yet again.
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Manchester may be leaving its calling card BUT it "appears" the Chinese are already checking in !
The Birmingham marketing people s/b congratulated, audacious, not really just a simple, basic masterclass in marketing,
hooked in a large travel agency, hooked in the airline then checked map and said
.....Chester, Liverpool (Home of The Beatles) NWales Castles etc which apparently all be seen on these tours unless the quote "vibrant City Of Birmingham" manages to retain their attention !
Of course it should have been the other way round but thus far Manchester appears mute !
One almost gets the impression that BHX actively went after this rather than the impression that I get with airlines at MAN that we sit back and wait for them to come to us !
I think MAN has focused on trade and specifically the Manchester outbound market completely forgetting the massive number of Chinese wanting to visit our tourist hotspots.
The charter flights could be the perfect catalyst BHX needs to get a regular scheduled flight...how very true !
You cannot see China Southern doing three successful flights bringing pax to "our neck of the woods" BUT then moving to Manchester
and BHX will if they have any sense milk this for all its worth !
This is critical, charter or not, THEY now have first mover advantage, it looks as though China Southern are now out of the picture, it could also mean that other airlines think twice about MAN as it fragments the market, IF BHX secure China Southern surely a new entrant might either be put off another airport 75 miles away OR think twice about its selection criteria.
For novelty value alone BBC etc will be all over this and it will generate even more publicity !
The MEN is salivating over MAN reaching 20m when what they s/b doing is asking how the bloody hell did Birmingham mange to attract "tourists" to its environs ?
whisper it but can somebody tell the members of the China Forum ?
The Birmingham marketing people s/b congratulated, audacious, not really just a simple, basic masterclass in marketing,
hooked in a large travel agency, hooked in the airline then checked map and said
.....Chester, Liverpool (Home of The Beatles) NWales Castles etc which apparently all be seen on these tours unless the quote "vibrant City Of Birmingham" manages to retain their attention !
Of course it should have been the other way round but thus far Manchester appears mute !
One almost gets the impression that BHX actively went after this rather than the impression that I get with airlines at MAN that we sit back and wait for them to come to us !
I think MAN has focused on trade and specifically the Manchester outbound market completely forgetting the massive number of Chinese wanting to visit our tourist hotspots.
The charter flights could be the perfect catalyst BHX needs to get a regular scheduled flight...how very true !
You cannot see China Southern doing three successful flights bringing pax to "our neck of the woods" BUT then moving to Manchester
and BHX will if they have any sense milk this for all its worth !
This is critical, charter or not, THEY now have first mover advantage, it looks as though China Southern are now out of the picture, it could also mean that other airlines think twice about MAN as it fragments the market, IF BHX secure China Southern surely a new entrant might either be put off another airport 75 miles away OR think twice about its selection criteria.
For novelty value alone BBC etc will be all over this and it will generate even more publicity !
The MEN is salivating over MAN reaching 20m when what they s/b doing is asking how the bloody hell did Birmingham mange to attract "tourists" to its environs ?
whisper it but can somebody tell the members of the China Forum ?
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You cannot see China Southern doing three successful flights bringing pax to "our neck of the woods" BUT then moving to Manchester
It's China "let's buy A380s even though we don't have one route for which we need them" Southern, the bargain basement fares specialist to the region flying brand spanking new B787s from LHR. They are not, shall we say, commercially driven. This is a handful of charter flights in peak summer and will have no bearing, zero, squat diiddly nothing on whether Air China decide to launch PEK-MAN. Best not to obsess over this, it's good news for BHX for sure, will it affect MAN? I doubt it.
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Hammer32 . not so, BHX has received massive publicity in relation to Davies !
OK it may not have been positive but because it was up on a pedestal that whilst possibly misplaced it still managed to get a mention almost EVERY time a 3rw at LHR was discussed.
If Manchester had done the same amount of lobbying given its ;
infrastructure for circa 40m already in place,
employment opportunities re Airport City,
location to more major cities,
tremendous connectivity in terms rail/car/air
and of course it already has massive demand with a large number of long haul flights in place (China being an exception).
....it would have been much harder to dismiss.
BHX galvanised support from Midlands media, business and local MPs and fought like a rabid dog
...MAN never even turned up !
OK it may not have been positive but because it was up on a pedestal that whilst possibly misplaced it still managed to get a mention almost EVERY time a 3rw at LHR was discussed.
If Manchester had done the same amount of lobbying given its ;
infrastructure for circa 40m already in place,
employment opportunities re Airport City,
location to more major cities,
tremendous connectivity in terms rail/car/air
and of course it already has massive demand with a large number of long haul flights in place (China being an exception).
....it would have been much harder to dismiss.
BHX galvanised support from Midlands media, business and local MPs and fought like a rabid dog
...MAN never even turned up !
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Well, I think some perspective is needed now regarding these BHX China flights.
-This is not a regular scheduled flight, or even a regular scheduled charter flight. They are charters for a specific reason, laid on by a travel agent, which, anyone with a cause can hire a jet for a specific charter, there are even websites that let you do this easily. These are not flights requested by China Southern themselves.
-All evidence suggests that, when it comes to a fully scheduled link, MAN has the advantage on both yield and potential passenger loads, with Air China rumoured from several different sources now too, looking seriously at starting flights soon. Even MAN are now stating they are in the final stages of a direct China route, which is now a different tact from saying 'they hope to secure a route in xxx months'.
-MAN is still in a very good place at the moment, many new routes starting, along with the continuation of last years new routes, not to mention 5 new long haul routes starting in the next few months. For a 'regional' airport, is not a bad place to be. Personally, despite the ultimate goal of a China link, I would rather have 5 scheduled long haul routes, 3 of them being year round, than 3 one-off charters.
A poster on the BHX thread rightly states 'this has ruffled a few feathers'. When a China link is such a sought after goal from 3 airports, it would be impossible to deny there is a little envy in that, and the same would have happened at the BHX end if the shoe was on the other foot.
-This is not a regular scheduled flight, or even a regular scheduled charter flight. They are charters for a specific reason, laid on by a travel agent, which, anyone with a cause can hire a jet for a specific charter, there are even websites that let you do this easily. These are not flights requested by China Southern themselves.
-All evidence suggests that, when it comes to a fully scheduled link, MAN has the advantage on both yield and potential passenger loads, with Air China rumoured from several different sources now too, looking seriously at starting flights soon. Even MAN are now stating they are in the final stages of a direct China route, which is now a different tact from saying 'they hope to secure a route in xxx months'.
-MAN is still in a very good place at the moment, many new routes starting, along with the continuation of last years new routes, not to mention 5 new long haul routes starting in the next few months. For a 'regional' airport, is not a bad place to be. Personally, despite the ultimate goal of a China link, I would rather have 5 scheduled long haul routes, 3 of them being year round, than 3 one-off charters.
A poster on the BHX thread rightly states 'this has ruffled a few feathers'. When a China link is such a sought after goal from 3 airports, it would be impossible to deny there is a little envy in that, and the same would have happened at the BHX end if the shoe was on the other foot.
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Skipness;
I'm sure if CZ had announced these flights from MAN you would be singing their praises.
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Have no doubt MAN will get a direct China link. MAN may have greater demand but there is also a lot more competition.
I'm sure if CZ had announced these flights from MAN you would be singing their praises.
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Have no doubt MAN will get a direct China link. MAN may have greater demand but there is also a lot more competition.
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Have no doubt MAN will get a direct China link
MAN may have greater demand but there is also a lot more competition
Therefore, competition can be seen as a help just as much, if not more, than a hindrance.
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Does Teletext still exist? I think it has been scrapped … yesterday's technology. However, the Manchester Airport website maintains a detailed arrivals and departures reference list covering upto 24 hours ahead.
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I'm sure if CZ had announced these flights from MAN you would be singing their praises.
See what I did there?
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Yawn, all this doom mongering and wailing about a few charter flights going elsewhere is tiresome. 
They are a series of charter flights, arranged and paid for by a Birmingham tour operator, so there is zero financial risk to CZ. When did you ever see a carrier send in a couple of charter flights as a toe dipping exercise before commencing scheduled service? Never, I wager.
Now, stop this silly crying.
MAN is in the strongest position for a China or Honkers route.
The BHX charters are a distraction which BHX will milk for all their worth (and who wouldn't), and I'm sure those in the echelons of BHX management will be pissing their pants in laughter at the responses being put up on both here and the BHX thread by the usual suspects.
They are a series of charter flights, arranged and paid for by a Birmingham tour operator, so there is zero financial risk to CZ. When did you ever see a carrier send in a couple of charter flights as a toe dipping exercise before commencing scheduled service? Never, I wager.
Now, stop this silly crying.
MAN is in the strongest position for a China or Honkers route.
The BHX charters are a distraction which BHX will milk for all their worth (and who wouldn't), and I'm sure those in the echelons of BHX management will be pissing their pants in laughter at the responses being put up on both here and the BHX thread by the usual suspects.
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LAX_LHR, sorry to bring up an old post but do you have any times for Germania this summer or do you know where to find them?
Germania (ST)
Germania seem to be basing 2 aircraft at Manchester this summer, based on the current schedules.
For example, Tuesday sees ST3595 arrive from HER at 1815, yet ST3616, also a flight to HER, departs at 1700.
There are a few days and few destinations that have this crossover, so will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Germania seem to be basing 2 aircraft at Manchester this summer, based on the current schedules.
For example, Tuesday sees ST3595 arrive from HER at 1815, yet ST3616, also a flight to HER, departs at 1700.
There are a few days and few destinations that have this crossover, so will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Don't know the reason causing the return but it did land with a little smoke emanating from the undercarriage, probably just hot brakes if it was a bit heavy. The a/c (G-LSAH) continued on to stand after a brief check by the Fire Service.