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The Leeds branch is electrified and uses electric trains; the Finningley route isn't. The trains would have to cross the East Coast Main Line in Doncaster station, which is approaching capacity. The latter problem also militates against possible diesel services from Sheffield, which would also require a reversal.
I agree with most posters that this is kite-flying and line capacity, train companies and cost(!) make it unlikely.
However, I think those talking about Park and Ride etc are missing the point - this not about the local market but expanding the catchment area and positioning DSA as a regional/national player
However, I think those talking about Park and Ride etc are missing the point - this not about the local market but expanding the catchment area and positioning DSA as a regional/national player
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A shuttle service from Doncaster could be feasible, but the times and connections would probably end up being a bit erratic due to capacity constraints, and it wouldn't be what they're after.
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So, we have a marketing headline which highlights DSA is close to the ECML, and from which people can conclude if you really want to use a train to get to DSA you already can. In 12 months time the marketing guys can try get people excited about cutting 2 minutes off road journey time with the FARRS extension. Doesn't change the fact that in 12 months there are no new airlines or brand new routes and is that really going to change despite improved access while DSA management to try to keep the incumbent airlines happy enough to stay.
Call me simple, but how many extra pax are likely to be attracted to DNS by a rail station, when the airport has so few operators ? As someone who lives only 30 miles away, I'd dearly love to use DNS to fly to the Med, but apart from a few Flybe flights, there is no choice. Sure, Tui fly from there, but they are only interested in package holiday flights.
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Call me simple, but how many extra pax are likely to be attracted to DNS by a rail station, when the airport has so few operators ? As someone who lives only 30 miles away, I'd dearly love to use DNS to fly to the Med, but apart from a few Flybe flights, there is no choice. Sure, Tui fly from there, but they are only interested in package holiday flights.
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So, we have a marketing headline which highlights DSA is close to the ECML, and from which people can conclude if you really want to use a train to get to DSA you already can. In 12 months time the marketing guys can try get people excited about cutting 2 minutes off road journey time with the FARRS extension. Doesn't change the fact that in 12 months there are no new airlines or brand new routes and is that really going to change despite improved access while DSA management to try to keep the incumbent airlines happy enough to stay.
Although, in 12 months, my belief is the airport management will be scratching around trying to find an excuse as to why FlyBe are no longer operating from DSA.
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Firstly Timmy W I will not 'feed the troll your on another good forum where you were exposed directly by a totally false statement.
You also stated ' I predict the airport will be a supermarket'.
Secondly you ignore the unexpected growth in cargo traffic, with one of the longer runways in the north and 'quieter' airspace ( Please refrain from telling us that's because the airlines will quit soon).
That growth could be supported separately by a spur from one of the new lines at the Euro Ralfreight terminal. (Freight only e.g. a door to door service so to speak)
Also with 'High speed New Bi Mode trains it's not impossible to improve the Finningley line and even provide (not familiar with the area) but perhaps an additional track via the Lincoln line aimed at the airport.
Finally no-one knows what the future holds but I'm happy to scan for you you a copy of a booklet showing traffic figures of LBA in it's equivalent growth years from the 'new terminal' to the late 70's .
They had less traffic ! But ten years hence it trippled .
DSA is a 12 year old airport one which more than half of its life was during a massive economic downturn one which we are still not truly out of.
I am no DSA lover nor a fan of the operator, however don't knock the 4 to 5% per month pax growth this year including passing the Million mark not seen since 2007.
Also Timmy it's FACT the current cargo tally has blown apart ANY previous cargo figures ever seen.
I would say you check your facts , turn down the hate and look at the bigger picture.
And finally the new station if you bothered to read the press release is also to serve the wider area , the Yorkshire wildlife park and the new housing which is set to be around the 5000 mark over 5 years.
Are you seriously going to tell Taylor Wimpey and a government minister that a plan which will also benefit the airport And wider community including one project that PREDATES DSA.
The rail project that may be built for the wider area and airport can but only result in a pax growth.
How do you arrive at the conclusion. An airline will be leaving ?.
Timmy . 5000 more households are being built on the doorstep that is what 20.000 people ?
Last word on your troll posts the whole project is a small link in a larger economic plan to improve the fortunes of the 'region.
You may be unaware that a project is due on the Highways England next economic cycle.
This will see the A1 (M) widened along the full length of the 60's Doncaster bypass and to the North the missing link will be converted to motorway 'creating an alternative to strategic long distance traffic being able to by-pass Leeds and the M1'.
Also it states a redesigned M18/A1(M) junction and additional full third lanes in both directions will improve access to the new economic site at Rossington.
The Airport cannot help but benefit from that!. But this is a long term game Timmy not your FSX AI traffic.
You also stated ' I predict the airport will be a supermarket'.
Secondly you ignore the unexpected growth in cargo traffic, with one of the longer runways in the north and 'quieter' airspace ( Please refrain from telling us that's because the airlines will quit soon).
That growth could be supported separately by a spur from one of the new lines at the Euro Ralfreight terminal. (Freight only e.g. a door to door service so to speak)
Also with 'High speed New Bi Mode trains it's not impossible to improve the Finningley line and even provide (not familiar with the area) but perhaps an additional track via the Lincoln line aimed at the airport.
Finally no-one knows what the future holds but I'm happy to scan for you you a copy of a booklet showing traffic figures of LBA in it's equivalent growth years from the 'new terminal' to the late 70's .
They had less traffic ! But ten years hence it trippled .
DSA is a 12 year old airport one which more than half of its life was during a massive economic downturn one which we are still not truly out of.
I am no DSA lover nor a fan of the operator, however don't knock the 4 to 5% per month pax growth this year including passing the Million mark not seen since 2007.
Also Timmy it's FACT the current cargo tally has blown apart ANY previous cargo figures ever seen.
I would say you check your facts , turn down the hate and look at the bigger picture.
And finally the new station if you bothered to read the press release is also to serve the wider area , the Yorkshire wildlife park and the new housing which is set to be around the 5000 mark over 5 years.
Are you seriously going to tell Taylor Wimpey and a government minister that a plan which will also benefit the airport And wider community including one project that PREDATES DSA.
The rail project that may be built for the wider area and airport can but only result in a pax growth.
How do you arrive at the conclusion. An airline will be leaving ?.
Timmy . 5000 more households are being built on the doorstep that is what 20.000 people ?
Last word on your troll posts the whole project is a small link in a larger economic plan to improve the fortunes of the 'region.
You may be unaware that a project is due on the Highways England next economic cycle.
This will see the A1 (M) widened along the full length of the 60's Doncaster bypass and to the North the missing link will be converted to motorway 'creating an alternative to strategic long distance traffic being able to by-pass Leeds and the M1'.
Also it states a redesigned M18/A1(M) junction and additional full third lanes in both directions will improve access to the new economic site at Rossington.
The Airport cannot help but benefit from that!. But this is a long term game Timmy not your FSX AI traffic.
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I can imagine the future now. An excited family from Retford booking their annual holiday to the sun. "Oh Daddy! How exciting! Can we really go to the airport by train? Can I sit by the window on the way to the airport?" Little Timmy just can't wait. He and his sister are looking forward to their adventure. Their father, being a realist, looks at the train timetable and starts to think: "So we have to be at the airport at 4:39am for the flight leaving at 6:39. The shuttle bus from the station will cost £3.00 each and will take seven minutes but but runs every 20 minutes. So we will have to be there by 4:12am to make sure we are not late. Oh dear, the first train arrives at the airport at 6:32 so we will have to travel the night before and stay at the hotel nearest the airport. In Doncaster town. So we will have to..." John reconsiders his choice of airport and announces they will drive to Manchester. He was also not looking forward to the five minutes drive in a taxi to the station. He also knew his family would have to wipe their feet on the way out of the cab.
With some exceptions, travelling to and from airports by train is a non-starter. Only pathetic individuals drunk on progressive, fully-inclusive, green and eco-friendly crap come up with crackpot ideas such as putting in a rail spurs to an under-utilised airport. Trains need high demand to make planning viable as they cost millions per mile to build. So because someone took the cheap option and redeveloped an ex-airforce aerodrome (brilliant bit of tarmac) they are now paying for having it in the wrong place. When seven, eight, nine million passengers use the airport every year a rail link will also arrive. Not before. Assuming you can obtain enough slots on a fast main line to ensure a frequent, viable airport connection service. The ECML is approaching capacity now.
Lastly, you have to consider the shag-nasty factor. Nothing would fill me dread more than the idea of travelling with a family on public transport to an airport for a holiday. Like virtually everyone else with a car, I'll use it. Which leaves backpackers and budget travellers. Name one budget LoCo airline that will pay billions (or even eight quid) for infrastructure. I'll say no more.
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With some exceptions, travelling to and from airports by train is a non-starter. Only pathetic individuals drunk on progressive, fully-inclusive, green and eco-friendly crap come up with crackpot ideas such as putting in a rail spurs to an under-utilised airport. Trains need high demand to make planning viable as they cost millions per mile to build. So because someone took the cheap option and redeveloped an ex-airforce aerodrome (brilliant bit of tarmac) they are now paying for having it in the wrong place. When seven, eight, nine million passengers use the airport every year a rail link will also arrive. Not before. Assuming you can obtain enough slots on a fast main line to ensure a frequent, viable airport connection service. The ECML is approaching capacity now.
Lastly, you have to consider the shag-nasty factor. Nothing would fill me dread more than the idea of travelling with a family on public transport to an airport for a holiday. Like virtually everyone else with a car, I'll use it. Which leaves backpackers and budget travellers. Name one budget LoCo airline that will pay billions (or even eight quid) for infrastructure. I'll say no more.
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I can imagine the future now. An excited family from Retford booking their annual holiday to the sun. "Oh Daddy! How exciting! Can we really go to the airport by train? Can I sit by the window on the way to the airport?" Little Timmy just can't wait. He and his sister are looking forward to their adventure. Their father, being a realist, looks at the train timetable and starts to think: "So we have to be at the airport at 4:39am for the flight leaving at 6:39. The shuttle bus from the station will cost £3.00 each and will take seven minutes but but runs every 20 minutes. So we will have to be there by 4:12am to make sure we are not late. Oh dear, the first train arrives at the airport at 6:32 so we will have to travel the night before and stay at the hotel nearest the airport. In Doncaster town. So we will have to..." John reconsiders his choice of airport and announces they will drive to Manchester. He was also not looking forward to the five minutes drive in a taxi to the station. He also knew his family would have to wipe their feet on the way out of the cab.
With some exceptions, travelling to and from airports by train is a non-starter. Only pathetic individuals drunk on progressive, fully-inclusive, green and eco-friendly crap come up with crackpot ideas such as putting in a rail spurs to an under-utilised airport. Trains need high demand to make planning viable as they cost millions per mile to build. So because someone took the cheap option and redeveloped an ex-airforce aerodrome (brilliant bit of tarmac) they are now paying for having it in the wrong place. When seven, eight, nine million passengers use the airport every year a rail link will also arrive. Not before. Assuming you can obtain enough slots on a fast main line to ensure a frequent, viable airport connection service. The ECML is approaching capacity now.
Lastly, you have to consider the shag-nasty factor. Nothing would fill me dread more than the idea of travelling with a family on public transport to an airport for a holiday. Like virtually everyone else with a car, I'll use it. Which leaves backpackers and budget travellers. Name one budget LoCo airline that will pay billions (or even eight quid) for infrastructure. I'll say no more.
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With some exceptions, travelling to and from airports by train is a non-starter. Only pathetic individuals drunk on progressive, fully-inclusive, green and eco-friendly crap come up with crackpot ideas such as putting in a rail spurs to an under-utilised airport. Trains need high demand to make planning viable as they cost millions per mile to build. So because someone took the cheap option and redeveloped an ex-airforce aerodrome (brilliant bit of tarmac) they are now paying for having it in the wrong place. When seven, eight, nine million passengers use the airport every year a rail link will also arrive. Not before. Assuming you can obtain enough slots on a fast main line to ensure a frequent, viable airport connection service. The ECML is approaching capacity now.
Lastly, you have to consider the shag-nasty factor. Nothing would fill me dread more than the idea of travelling with a family on public transport to an airport for a holiday. Like virtually everyone else with a car, I'll use it. Which leaves backpackers and budget travellers. Name one budget LoCo airline that will pay billions (or even eight quid) for infrastructure. I'll say no more.
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I am a regular user of Doncaster and Manchester. I don't drive to Manchester if I can help it. The train is slow, but pretty reliable, unlike the roads.
When we go on a family holiday we will also use the train, whether flying from Manchester, Gatwick or Heathrow. Don't get me wrong - I'm not averse to driving.. I do a lot of it - but for my leisure I'm more than happy to sit back and let someone else have the stress of who has decided to bugger up the M1/M25/M62/M60 for the day.
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The M60 Over there is unbelievably overcrowded
Here in Ireland over in Dublin motorists suffer the M50 .
Badly designed, however they did build the train and tram , not to mention good busses.
However here in the West to get to Ireland West Knock (Connaught) is the Dire N17 slowly being made motorway but it will be years before it is extended beyond Tuam .
Point is it's your choice to drive that horrific road and crazy driving standards.
Are you not better off if the flights are there then use them at your local airport.
I'm surprised when you guys are getting such luxuries as dedicated access roads and TD's in government trying to get the whole area a new station why are you against it?
Is change such an issue?.
We'd jump at links to Yorkshire , I especially as my gran lives in North Lincs.
To get her over here too a linksair flight (run by idiots).
And a 5 hour drive from Bfast City
Here in Ireland over in Dublin motorists suffer the M50 .
Badly designed, however they did build the train and tram , not to mention good busses.
However here in the West to get to Ireland West Knock (Connaught) is the Dire N17 slowly being made motorway but it will be years before it is extended beyond Tuam .
Point is it's your choice to drive that horrific road and crazy driving standards.
Are you not better off if the flights are there then use them at your local airport.
I'm surprised when you guys are getting such luxuries as dedicated access roads and TD's in government trying to get the whole area a new station why are you against it?
Is change such an issue?.
We'd jump at links to Yorkshire , I especially as my gran lives in North Lincs.
To get her over here too a linksair flight (run by idiots).
And a 5 hour drive from Bfast City
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The M60 Over there is unbelievably overcrowded
Here in Ireland over in Dublin motorists suffer the M50 .
Badly designed, however they did build the train and tram , not to mention good busses.
However here in the West to get to Ireland West Knock (Connaught) is the Dire N17 slowly being made motorway but it will be years before it is extended beyond Tuam .
Point is it's your choice to drive that horrific road and crazy driving standards.
Are you not better off if the flights are there then use them at your local airport.
I'm surprised when you guys are getting such luxuries as dedicated access roads and TD's in government trying to get the whole area a new station why are you against it?
Is change such an issue?.
We'd jump at links to Yorkshire , I especially as my gran lives in North Lincs.
To get her over here too a linksair flight (run by idiots).
And a 5 hour drive from Bfast City
Here in Ireland over in Dublin motorists suffer the M50 .
Badly designed, however they did build the train and tram , not to mention good busses.
However here in the West to get to Ireland West Knock (Connaught) is the Dire N17 slowly being made motorway but it will be years before it is extended beyond Tuam .
Point is it's your choice to drive that horrific road and crazy driving standards.
Are you not better off if the flights are there then use them at your local airport.
I'm surprised when you guys are getting such luxuries as dedicated access roads and TD's in government trying to get the whole area a new station why are you against it?
Is change such an issue?.
We'd jump at links to Yorkshire , I especially as my gran lives in North Lincs.
To get her over here too a linksair flight (run by idiots).
And a 5 hour drive from Bfast City
Sun night flight was sittingg beside a weekly commuter who has been using since started, they said Fri night flight and Sun night flights are pretty much always full.
No idea of weekday flights data
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On the use of trains to airports, I think more people use this method than some realise. I always travel to BHX by train. There are frequent services from where I am by Virgin and Arriva. The station is of a very high standard and has a couple of shops, 2 restaurant/bars, Virgin lounge, ATM etc. flight departure/arrival displays and linked directly to the airport terminals by the air/rail link. There are direct services to most large UK cities, and at most one change to virtually the whole UK. Train is the best way to the airport IMHO.
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To make them viable though, you need services every 15 mins or so, and the station ideally needs to be withing walking distance of the terminal (or via a frequent tram / people mover). Stations that don't provide an adequate connection to the terminal, like EMP and DTV, don't get used much.
DSA hasn't the PAX to consider such a huge undertaking.
With a major expansion and PAX growth the airport could consider a short extension to the Finningley line, bringing it to within walking distance of the terminal. But the cost would be enormous.
DSA hasn't the PAX to consider such a huge undertaking.
With a major expansion and PAX growth the airport could consider a short extension to the Finningley line, bringing it to within walking distance of the terminal. But the cost would be enormous.
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rail link and community benefits
Guys and gals.. no offense but Your lucky to have such possibilities coming . If I may give you an example of what we have close to me .
I don't understand why so many people are so highly irate about the project that can do nothing but to benefit not just the airport.
But also the wider community Regeneration .
Out here In the Far West, Ireland, Ireland West Knock Airport which is , Ireland's 4th largest carrying well over 700.000 pax last year very impressive for an Airport in connaught and considering it's humble beginnings.
For starters it didn't even have planning approval but a little over a few years later saw runway terminal and apron improvements .
Plus it does get a lot of inward tourist flights - flocking to Knock Shrine.
It is located right next to N17 which is still classed as WS2 ( wide S2 Road) and as with many Irish N roads it has shoulders too, most folk here have an unwritten code - pulling into the shoulder to let you pass.
But there's no Airport Rail station. The nearest is Athenry but if you want Dublin or Westport you have to travel up the N17 to Sligo.
The M17 From Limerick passes Galway and will terminate a few KM South at Tuam but eventually will put the airport right against the motorway and they are not busy as yours are. But for us that could be years away.
The Catchment is limited but spread over a wide area .
It may soon see a rail route come close as ' The Great Western Rail Corridor' phase 2 and 3 may come close to the Airport - however it has a great Bus service via Bus Eireann, which links to several major towns.
These buses are fast and comfortable with stunning scenery to boot.
The point is that to look at your arguments against a rail connection , PAX Growth For Knock , last year was over 700,000 which is impressive considering how sparsely populated the area is but is listed as the 4th busiest in Ireland.
But without a doubt the Argument for a station close by would serve not just the airport but the wider community as well just as your project will yours .
But also we have the M17 project which starts way down at Limerick ( not far from Kerry Airport, which is close to great Rail Road amd Bus links ), and is being extended to Tuam.
With an Aim to link beyond Sligo to the A4 on the UK side
That road will hopefully dualled again improving the links to County Fermanagh and eventually the Duall riad and motorway to Belfast.
Such a project can but only help Bringing more pax and freight closer than ever.
The point of this post is we are late in developing all these infrastructure projects , you guys are lucky to have ... e.g. Motorways and a high speed line. ( Your East coast mainline ) a short bus ride away.
So why not support this project?
It seems that attitudes are a lot to do with how these projects are perceived.
I've read about the dismal figures and stories about your DTV airport and seen the Figures for HUY who's services seem to Echo the former.
It seems to me your DSA is doing just fine.
As I said in previous posts to answer a post where the guy wanted to sit in ever present gridlock on the M62/M60, again I'd ask why .
If you live within 20 mins if your airport and you want to Fly to AMS or. DUB for example why go through the stress of a 3 hour crawl to MAN?.
And the poster who spoke of train timings no offense but that was almost a mocking post as as yet nobody has seen plans for the line let alone the train times.
Anyone with common sense will recognise train timings will be adjusted according to the needs of the PAX and community.
I don't understand why so many people are so highly irate about the project that can do nothing but to benefit not just the airport.
But also the wider community Regeneration .
Out here In the Far West, Ireland, Ireland West Knock Airport which is , Ireland's 4th largest carrying well over 700.000 pax last year very impressive for an Airport in connaught and considering it's humble beginnings.
For starters it didn't even have planning approval but a little over a few years later saw runway terminal and apron improvements .
Plus it does get a lot of inward tourist flights - flocking to Knock Shrine.
It is located right next to N17 which is still classed as WS2 ( wide S2 Road) and as with many Irish N roads it has shoulders too, most folk here have an unwritten code - pulling into the shoulder to let you pass.
But there's no Airport Rail station. The nearest is Athenry but if you want Dublin or Westport you have to travel up the N17 to Sligo.
The M17 From Limerick passes Galway and will terminate a few KM South at Tuam but eventually will put the airport right against the motorway and they are not busy as yours are. But for us that could be years away.
The Catchment is limited but spread over a wide area .
It may soon see a rail route come close as ' The Great Western Rail Corridor' phase 2 and 3 may come close to the Airport - however it has a great Bus service via Bus Eireann, which links to several major towns.
These buses are fast and comfortable with stunning scenery to boot.
The point is that to look at your arguments against a rail connection , PAX Growth For Knock , last year was over 700,000 which is impressive considering how sparsely populated the area is but is listed as the 4th busiest in Ireland.
But without a doubt the Argument for a station close by would serve not just the airport but the wider community as well just as your project will yours .
But also we have the M17 project which starts way down at Limerick ( not far from Kerry Airport, which is close to great Rail Road amd Bus links ), and is being extended to Tuam.
With an Aim to link beyond Sligo to the A4 on the UK side
That road will hopefully dualled again improving the links to County Fermanagh and eventually the Duall riad and motorway to Belfast.
Such a project can but only help Bringing more pax and freight closer than ever.
The point of this post is we are late in developing all these infrastructure projects , you guys are lucky to have ... e.g. Motorways and a high speed line. ( Your East coast mainline ) a short bus ride away.
So why not support this project?
It seems that attitudes are a lot to do with how these projects are perceived.
I've read about the dismal figures and stories about your DTV airport and seen the Figures for HUY who's services seem to Echo the former.
It seems to me your DSA is doing just fine.
As I said in previous posts to answer a post where the guy wanted to sit in ever present gridlock on the M62/M60, again I'd ask why .
If you live within 20 mins if your airport and you want to Fly to AMS or. DUB for example why go through the stress of a 3 hour crawl to MAN?.
And the poster who spoke of train timings no offense but that was almost a mocking post as as yet nobody has seen plans for the line let alone the train times.
Anyone with common sense will recognise train timings will be adjusted according to the needs of the PAX and community.
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Cheers EGPO, maybe you should start a Ireland West Knock Airport thread if there isn't one already :-)
No one's really against a train link to DSA or anywhere else - the comments are more related to the cost / benefits and whether the presser was in any way serious, or just wanting to publicize the airport.
I take the point that in the UK we are lucky to have so many airports close to our major cities, with good access on the whole. Saying that, the difference in population between the west of Ireland and, say, the North of England means that there's a far greater demand.
One thing about DSA is you can't fly to Amsterdam or Dublin for 35 quid like you can from other airports
No one's really against a train link to DSA or anywhere else - the comments are more related to the cost / benefits and whether the presser was in any way serious, or just wanting to publicize the airport.
I take the point that in the UK we are lucky to have so many airports close to our major cities, with good access on the whole. Saying that, the difference in population between the west of Ireland and, say, the North of England means that there's a far greater demand.
One thing about DSA is you can't fly to Amsterdam or Dublin for 35 quid like you can from other airports
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Thank you Barnstable for your reply. I've had thru work to endure the M60 as well as visiting my nan.
And it's a horrific experience in the heat of summer trying to reach GO Practices where I was installing 'surgery poss devices similar to the selected in but allow the patient to perform health checks (e.g. blood pressure and repeat prescription reviews - to cut down on GP pressure).
Being time constrained not unlike trying to get to the airport.
Indeed some surgeries where right next to it.
I Cant understand why folk would want to put a famiky of whining children - " are we there yet".
When local airports are available.
And your right we have a lower population but I guess if you combined Sligo , Letrim, and Mayo plus some West Midlands counties.
Knock is an ideal candidate for better links.
I read that people sometimes came from Fermanagh on the UK side to Knock because good deals could be had.
Personally I would happily pay that wee bit more for a flight and save time and my sanity than ensure the M60.
One thing I would say about Doncaster I went Into the terminal and was shocked at how austere it is inside.
Given it's trying to attract more pax. I wonder if they need to provide more groundside if that's the right word facilities and even extend the terminal and Apron.
Knock was gradually extended like HUY (although the latter has a small terminal it still seems friendlier to the eye than DSA).
But seriously people need to pay less attention to press releases and politicians with little clue about airports and see the bigger picture about what a railway station there can and will provide in the coming years.
Think of the 5000 odd homes to be built . Many either 4 bedrooms or three story dwellings.
Or small apartments that's a lot of people that you don't want clogging up that new road.
It may end up becoming a thorny issue in ten years when it's proven that it should have been a dual lane road from the start.
But these days future proof g capital projects is not common practice.
I keep a keen eye on other forums and am aware of the huge jump in cargo .
I'd rather see that being loaded. Onto a train at the end of a special siding off the Ralfreight section of the scheme than a few dozen HGV's.
The UK is filling up fast so you guys like us need as many different surface access routes as possible.
Finally also be glad it's not Leeds airport I landed there wondering if it was an aircraft carrier , very windy day two go-arounds on a small aircraft was not a nice experience then trying to thread the hire car through a suburb?.
I actually turned around and ended up Getting lost going toward Harrogate before asking for directions and being frustrated by the seemingly endless time to get to central Leeds to do a job.
And get it done in good time to be back at the airport for the flight back home.
So I think Doncaster looking at a map and seeing the lay of the land is definatley in a strong position.
It just needs a few more airlines ....
And it's a horrific experience in the heat of summer trying to reach GO Practices where I was installing 'surgery poss devices similar to the selected in but allow the patient to perform health checks (e.g. blood pressure and repeat prescription reviews - to cut down on GP pressure).
Being time constrained not unlike trying to get to the airport.
Indeed some surgeries where right next to it.
I Cant understand why folk would want to put a famiky of whining children - " are we there yet".
When local airports are available.
And your right we have a lower population but I guess if you combined Sligo , Letrim, and Mayo plus some West Midlands counties.
Knock is an ideal candidate for better links.
I read that people sometimes came from Fermanagh on the UK side to Knock because good deals could be had.
Personally I would happily pay that wee bit more for a flight and save time and my sanity than ensure the M60.
One thing I would say about Doncaster I went Into the terminal and was shocked at how austere it is inside.
Given it's trying to attract more pax. I wonder if they need to provide more groundside if that's the right word facilities and even extend the terminal and Apron.
Knock was gradually extended like HUY (although the latter has a small terminal it still seems friendlier to the eye than DSA).
But seriously people need to pay less attention to press releases and politicians with little clue about airports and see the bigger picture about what a railway station there can and will provide in the coming years.
Think of the 5000 odd homes to be built . Many either 4 bedrooms or three story dwellings.
Or small apartments that's a lot of people that you don't want clogging up that new road.
It may end up becoming a thorny issue in ten years when it's proven that it should have been a dual lane road from the start.
But these days future proof g capital projects is not common practice.
I keep a keen eye on other forums and am aware of the huge jump in cargo .
I'd rather see that being loaded. Onto a train at the end of a special siding off the Ralfreight section of the scheme than a few dozen HGV's.
The UK is filling up fast so you guys like us need as many different surface access routes as possible.
Finally also be glad it's not Leeds airport I landed there wondering if it was an aircraft carrier , very windy day two go-arounds on a small aircraft was not a nice experience then trying to thread the hire car through a suburb?.
I actually turned around and ended up Getting lost going toward Harrogate before asking for directions and being frustrated by the seemingly endless time to get to central Leeds to do a job.
And get it done in good time to be back at the airport for the flight back home.
So I think Doncaster looking at a map and seeing the lay of the land is definatley in a strong position.
It just needs a few more airlines ....