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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 15:20
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Look guys. Leeds Approach has made many arguments in the past for his agenda for closing all airports in Yorkshire and moving to one Yorkshire airport in the right place with the right facilities. That Airport is the former RAF Church Fenton. It is aparently in the best place and has good transport links. LBA has a short runway pointing in the wrong direction and is on a hill and has poor transport links. DSA doesn't have a NE/SW runway either and despite plenty of space and a good length runway is in the wrong place. Doncaster at least is a large city unlike Tadcaster. Leeds/ Bradford clearly don't have the catchment Tadcaster does (plus it's fantastic transport links to the rest of Yorkshire).
As someone who used to work at CF as far as I remember neither runway was longer than either LBA or DSA. It also suffers from Vale of York fog ( another of Leeds Approachs'arguments against LBA in particular) Whilst I agree CF could be expanded and developed who is going to pay?? Will the owners of LBA or DSA, neither of which are local authorities, shut their airports to allow LA's vision? Let's get back to the real world.LBA is struggling along with a little over 3 million pax a year and last I looked DSA was growing nicely. Neither are perfect but short of a billionaire coming in to throw money away on CF and buy out LBA and DSAs owners it is what we have. Get used to it!
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 15:41
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When I worked at EZY as a cabin manager, we did a full summer season at DSA. We all loved the 1,2 or 3 night trips as the flights were so easy to work as they were never full. Biggest pax load I ever took was 119 to Faro in August 2010. Amsterdam was usually mid 40s and Prague 60s . Palma was around 90 pax. We knew DSA was making a hugh loss so we pulled out. FLYBE probably will to, it's Saad Hamnad trying to justify work for the E195 that are for sale but no airline wants to buy, so loadfactor and share price has plummeted .
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 15:43
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Hooded - spot on, in a free market economy and without significant government intervention (and a shed load of money), make the best of what you've got.
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Old 28th Apr 2016, 04:10
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PAX data for March is still showing an 83% decline on the previous month.
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Old 28th Apr 2016, 15:35
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Pax 76115 up 56.4% on last year .TimmyW be happy
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Old 28th Apr 2016, 21:00
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Flybe figures don't look too bad either as a start. Certainly don't bear out what Timmy and DC said above. Mind you people keep going on about EZY but a lot were suspicious from the start when no winter schedule appeared. They weren't interested in stopping so never really tried. Asking around at the time EZY at DSA was one of South Yorkshire's best kept secrets!
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 09:38
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Decent start for the Flybe flights. Out of the numbers available they show as follows on a 118 seat aircraft.


Paris CDG - 70 per flight
Amsterdam - 90 per flight
Berlin - 88 per flight
Faro - 80 per flight
Jersey - 73 per flight
Newquay - 45 per flight

Alicante is mixed in with Thomson figures but is near 100%.
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 10:32
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Surely BEE won't be operating flights to NQY from both DSA and LBA come the end of October.

Their online timetable shows DSA flights ending 29/10 and LBA flights (with the funding to support them) starting the day before. One imagines the LBA flights will also be on a an easier to fill Dash.
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 10:57
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After its winter start I'd expect Dusseldorf to extend into summer replacing Newquay. Plus increases on sun routes with the slack.
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Old 30th Apr 2016, 11:32
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NQY is a funny old market tbh
Wouldn't say it won't be back next year but perhaps it would operate on a DH8 on a W from another base like LPL will and STN down with a BHX based DH8

MAN & LBA are proven markets for NQY.

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Old 30th Apr 2016, 11:45
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Makes a lot of sense really. As far as April's (one week) figures are concerned there won't have been many coming BACK yet, and if they expect a drop off in the winter then best cut any losses by shifting the route to a subsidised one.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Teevee View Post
Makes a lot of sense really. As far as April's (one week) figures are concerned there won't have been many coming BACK yet, and if they expect a drop off in the winter then best cut any losses by shifting the route to a subsidised one.
Most of the routes can be operated using DH4 equipment - if the E195 was replaced by a the smaller aircraft, provided the yield was there, the routes, based on the one week numbers quoted would be fine.

Question is whether the purpose of the Doncaster base is to keep the E195s flying, or to grow a new market.
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Old 19th May 2016, 12:33
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Wiz Air Adds Three New Destinations from Sofia in December - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 19:15
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Sure most folk know this already but in case you didn't here it is - Last bookable date on the Aer Lingus website for DSA to DUB is 31st October 2016.

Stobart Air axing routes between Dublin and Britain - The Sunday Business Post
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 19:40
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Must be the 4th time this route has been cut from DSA.

I don't see anyone picking it up in a hurry.

Will be interesting to see if FlyBe stick around after their leases expire.
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 19:42
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Dublin

But of a surprise given it survived the winter and the recent introduction of the Saturday rotation. Although I have used the route three times at different points of the year and the loads were negligible each time. IMO I still think it boils down to route awareness. Hopefully Flybe will look at it or maybe a mix throughout the week of DUB/BHD.
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Old 6th Jun 2016, 20:08
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I believe the loads were above 80%.

The FlyBe routes have been heavily advertised. Will be interesting to see figures.
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Old 7th Jun 2016, 21:59
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DSA will always struggle, all it ever was was a playground for Thomson
It never worked and the people who knew this would happen were laughed at at the time
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Old 7th Jun 2016, 22:48
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Maybe it's a shared playground, because Wizz seem to be doing ok. At least DSA had the good sense to look after carriers which presumably generate income (ie TOM). As for Flybe, we shall just have to see.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 01:31
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2016 could well be the best year in DSA's history, as far as passenger numbers go.
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