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Old 4th May 2012, 11:14
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Ok well that's two planes that need work. What about the 5 that will leave heathrow. And what about the airbus contract...

They better have a very very good plan to utilise all those aircraft on routes that hitherto havent been discovered and saturated.

I hope we don't lose our jobs obviously. But I also take any news from Aberdeen with a fistful of salt. They are obviously, and understandably, pushing granite like there's no tomorrow. It would secure their jobs at their base. But determined wishful thinking doesn't mean secure jobs.

Hope I'm proved wrong.
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Old 4th May 2012, 11:24
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Incidentally there is a BA/IAG shareholders update due next Friday. I just wonder if they would like to have made a decision on regional by then so they can tell the shareholders what the plan is...
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Old 4th May 2012, 23:58
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From the BBC

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In addition, FlyBe is set for a role in the possible takeover of the BMI Regional division, based in Aberdeen.
Sources close to the negotiations have told BBC Scotland that the division, which flies more than 15 commuter jets between smaller city airports, is close to a sale by IAG to a consortium known as Granite Aviation.
But whereas it had planned to create a new Scottish airline, or to take over the BMI brand, it is understood the talks have shifted towards a plan that would see the new firm flying as part of the FlyBe network.
That would bring the advantage of FlyBe's marketing and ticketing arrangements, with links into the IAG network."

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Old 5th May 2012, 00:18
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Do you have a link Kittywake?

That's great for regional, we don't want any more people losing their jobs. I wonder what will happen to the seniority list should we "merge" with regional? A combining will cause alot of hate, that much I know.
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Old 5th May 2012, 00:23
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Independent regional airlines are last century. It's alliances and franchises that will help them through and linking with Flybe is a fast way to get started.
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Old 5th May 2012, 02:14
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In addition, FlyBe is set for a role in the possible takeover of the BMI Regional division, based in Aberdeen.
Sources close to the negotiations have told BBC Scotland that the division, which flies more than 15 commuter jets between smaller city airports, is close to a sale by IAG to a consortium known as Granite Aviation.
But whereas it had planned to create a new Scottish airline, or to take over the BMI brand, it is understood the talks have shifted towards a plan that would see the new firm flying as part of the FlyBe network.
That would bring the advantage of FlyBe's marketing and ticketing arrangements, with links into the IAG network."
They're being flogged to Loganair?
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Old 5th May 2012, 03:52
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
They're being flogged to Loganair?
No, the way I read that is that they are going to become a flyBE franchisee in the same way that Loganair is, not that there is any ownership link to Loganair.
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Old 5th May 2012, 08:12
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I've heard this rumour knocking about. If we're going to become a Flybe franchise, why/how is granite involved?

Just wondering what the catch is.
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Old 5th May 2012, 08:20
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2 Franchises based in Scotland? Not sure about that one
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Old 5th May 2012, 08:25
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Flybe? really? Clutching at straws springs to mind.

Would be rather ironic to have to repaint the ex Flybe 145's back into Flybe colours.

With 14 or so aircraft, that is a very big 'take on' as a franchise!
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Old 5th May 2012, 09:01
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BBC News - FlyBe to take on BmiBaby routes

Part about regional at the end of the article.
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Old 5th May 2012, 12:33
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The FlyBe idea does make some sense.
Whatever routes Regional (owned by Granite) operate on their own account would be marketed by FlyBe. That gives FlyBe a slice of someone else's revenue for not doing much, and it gives Granite a better-known brand and distribution system, hopefully attracting more passengers than they would as a stand-alone. It also reduces the amount they need to spend on marketing, because there would be no need to expensively promote a new brand.

All FlyBe need to be careful about is clearly determining which routes can be flown by Granite/Regional and which by Loganair.
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Old 5th May 2012, 15:03
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Theres not a whole lot that Regional would add that's not covered by flybe already......
The DHC8-Q400 is better suited to domestics from Scotland than the ERJ-145/135 flown by BMI Regional and flybe seem to have some spares as the new ERJ-175s arrive. Why not do what they did with bmi baby at EMA, it makes more commercial sense than taking on a load of jets they said were unsuitable when they got BA Connect,

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Old 5th May 2012, 16:41
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Loganair starting Glasgow to Leeds from 8th May. Replacing Bmir service.

Here we go...

I'm off to lube up.
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Old 5th May 2012, 16:43
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Some of bmiR special contracts may have value notably their BAe/Airbus contracts and their oil/gas related flights to Groningen and Esbjerg.
And between ABZ-NWI

Suitable for a Suckling 328?

As for the trans boarder services
ABZ- MAN duplicated by Flybe
EDI- MAN duplicated as above

The flights from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Copenhagen have long been operated for SAS and could well be handed back for their direct ops with a Canadair.

bmiR have already lost their hold on SN Brussels connecting flight to well you know FLYBE !

That pretty much leaves just one route as as usual with the bmi group as was - a very random MAN- Lyon flight . That would fit very nicely into Flybes' existing and extensive French network.

Then there are/were a few rotations for LH to Hanover from LHR - well that will go to another LH group either Eurowings or Germanwings for sure.

Those slot sitters on off peak LHR- MAN/Scotland well those are now redundant. The slots are either transferred to IAG/BA or retained by the LH group (A significant number of slots have been retained by LH Group)

As said apart from paragraph one and those contracts that would certainly suit Loganair subsidiary Sucking and FLYBE franchisee , there isn't much left of value that i can see.
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Old 5th May 2012, 19:22
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EDI & GLA/CPH is not operated for SAS, however they do code-share the route.
There is also EDI/BRU AND EDI/ZRH.
All the routes do very well and if they were marketed properly I am sure they
would remain successful.
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ZRH, CPH and BRU are all STAR hubs with, I would imagine connectivity. So would BMI Regional code share as flybe? If not, surely SAS, Brussels Airlines and Swiss would have their own metal or partners in pretty quick to maintain feed?

GLA-CPH used to be a DC9-41......
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Old 5th May 2012, 21:21
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Agreed thats their problem isn't it? Apart from those previously mentioned oil/gas/aerospace contracts they are nothing more than a LH group feeder !

The GLA_CPH was indeed transferred from SAS when they got rid of the super hot DC9-21 because they didn't have a small enough aircraft to continue.

I am pretty sure SAS WILL return to one of the lowland ports very soon.
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Old 5th May 2012, 23:44
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Actually GLA-SVG was on the hot rod Series 21, Copenhagen was on the larger Series 41. It is currently operated by a bmi Regional ERJ-135.
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Old 9th May 2012, 07:15
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Hmmmm, all quiet yet again. No doubt be told that take over is happening in 'two weeks' for the umpteenth time :-(
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