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REH was leased from ATR wasn't it?
SLN was due to be returned to Air Contractors in Dec 2013 but maybe thats gone already?
I an guessing that ORK & SNN crews have now completed -600 training?
I know I have moaned for years about the state of REI/REH but they are the most comfortable from a business traveller point of view since they had the cabin refit. Has anyone else tried to open a laptop and work on it using the seat table on the crampt 600's? It is impossible. It annoys me so much that after being loyal to EIR since its beginning, I might have to go back to FR as I can at least get work done on board. My first -600 trip was on a flight with Sean Brogan and after 20 minutes of failing to find a position that I could balance the laptop so to open the screen far enough to see it I nearly launched the ruddy thing at him in sheer frustration.
The -500's were tight enough but with the -600's having an extended front cargo hold there is even less room. So to fit 72 seats, they have installed those awful slimline seats similar to LS.
Such a minor point but so frustrating when you spend hundreds of hours each year staring out of the window bored instead of being able to get on with work.
Such a silly point could cost them nearly a 6 figure sum of revenue from me.
SLN was due to be returned to Air Contractors in Dec 2013 but maybe thats gone already?
I an guessing that ORK & SNN crews have now completed -600 training?
I know I have moaned for years about the state of REI/REH but they are the most comfortable from a business traveller point of view since they had the cabin refit. Has anyone else tried to open a laptop and work on it using the seat table on the crampt 600's? It is impossible. It annoys me so much that after being loyal to EIR since its beginning, I might have to go back to FR as I can at least get work done on board. My first -600 trip was on a flight with Sean Brogan and after 20 minutes of failing to find a position that I could balance the laptop so to open the screen far enough to see it I nearly launched the ruddy thing at him in sheer frustration.
The -500's were tight enough but with the -600's having an extended front cargo hold there is even less room. So to fit 72 seats, they have installed those awful slimline seats similar to LS.
Such a minor point but so frustrating when you spend hundreds of hours each year staring out of the window bored instead of being able to get on with work.
Such a silly point could cost them nearly a 6 figure sum of revenue from me.
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Actually, now that you bring up the AT43s Jack, how are they doing on reliability do you know? I suppose now they're getting near to the 25 year old mark that Christoph Mueller wouldn't really want them flying about displaying the Shamrock much longer. So what will RE do in the coming months and years regarding this fleet?
As for growing the fleet, I believe that RE may wish to convert their two options into firm orders.
As for growing the fleet, I believe that RE may wish to convert their two options into firm orders.
Wasn't too sure about those further two options for new ATR76's, good to know!
REH was leased from ATR wasn't it?
SLN was due to be returned to Air Contractors in Dec 2013 but maybe thats gone already?
ATR42-300
EI-BYO
EI-CBK
EI-CPT
EI-EHH
ATR72-201
EI-REI
ATR72-500 (72-212A)
EI-REL
EI-REM (Going to Myanma Airways anytime now)
ATR72-600 (72-212A)
EI-FAS
EI-FAT
EI-FAU
EI-FAV
EI-FAW
Returned Aircraft
ATR72-201
EI-REH went back to Toulouse on the 25th of November 2013.
ATR72-212
EI-SLL was returned back to Air Contractors on the 25th of April 2013.
EI-SLN was returned back to Air Contractors on the 29th of October 2013.
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ATR72-500 (72-212A)
EI-REO now flying with Myanma Airways since the 21st of October 2013.
EI-REP now flying with Yangon Airways since the 16th of July 2013.
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All I know is that the options exist, I'm just hoping that RE do exercise these options, because there is no way that their fleet, no matter how modern could actually keep up with the work.
After having a look on Planespotters, there are some AT45s now out of work that RE could snap up, but then again AT46s seem to be the more logical option as they use the exact same engines as the AT76s.
After having a look on Planespotters, there are some AT45s now out of work that RE could snap up, but then again AT46s seem to be the more logical option as they use the exact same engines as the AT76s.
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I would of though when RE ordered the AT76 they would of perhaps ordered 2-3 AT46 for the thinner routes. E.G IOM/KIR/BLK and quite a lot of the time SEN/BOH/BRS/SNN etc. There a plenty of routes that operate with the 42's and I would think for there brand image, pax are not going to like occasionally travelling on the nice 76's then having to go to EIEHH! Not sure how much work there planning on getting out of there current 42's
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I would of though when RE ordered the AT76 they would of perhaps ordered 2-3 AT46 for the thinner routes. E.G IOM/KIR/BLK and quite a lot of the time SEN/BOH/BRS/SNN etc. There a plenty of routes that operate with the 42's and I would think for there brand image, pax are not going to like occasionally travelling on the nice 76's then having to go to EIEHH! Not sure how much work there planning on getting out of there current 42's
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You're making the assumption that the ATR42-600 is significantly cheaper to operate than the ATR72-600.
It isn't.
A glance at the order book for the -600s will demonstrate that operators have figured this out. Virtually all outstanding orders are for -72s. The 42-600 gives you no appreciable saving in DOCs but about 1/3 fewer seats compared to the 72-600.
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Heard a rumour RE are getting rid of some if not all of the current 42's as soon as someone takes them off there hands.
The PSO routes are up again next year so weather RE go for one or both or even get the contract again is another question.
The PSO routes are up again next year so weather RE go for one or both or even get the contract again is another question.
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The PSO routes are up again next year so weather RE go for one or both or even get the contract again is another question.
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The Loganair SF340's are 34Y. The CFN-DUB morning and DUB-CFN evening legs are significantly busier than the opposite direction.
I'm fairly certain that RE never operated more than 2x daily and they also operated less PIK/GLA-CFN flights.
I'm fairly certain that RE never operated more than 2x daily and they also operated less PIK/GLA-CFN flights.
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In this season of peace and goodwill to all men, could we possibly quit with the spell checking and pulling a new members post to pieces so as to exude superior knowledge, its almost as irritating as people correcting airport codes. Its quite obvious what people mean in the majority of cases and prediction of words throw up anomalies on many devices.
The point made about the 42's being a better fit for thinner routes is not exactly a ridiculous one is it.....given the fact you have half the cabin crew cost.
The point made about the 42's being a better fit for thinner routes is not exactly a ridiculous one is it.....given the fact you have half the cabin crew cost.
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This latest article in the examiner says the route is doing well.
Kerry Airport sees 22% rise on Dublin route | Irish Examiner
This latest article in the examiner says the route is doing well.
Kerry Airport sees 22% rise on Dublin route | Irish Examiner
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Cost savings of operating the 42 compared to the 72 are as follows;
Lower ground handling costs,
Lower landing fees at some airports especially regionals,
Half the cabin crew costs,
There will be a fuel saving albeit not a significant amount but still a saving,
A lot of operators favour the 72 because with higher pax loads all of the above costs are then accounted for with additional revenue whereas if you are averaging 30 pax on a particular route, the 42 is the obvious answer.
Lower ground handling costs,
Lower landing fees at some airports especially regionals,
Half the cabin crew costs,
There will be a fuel saving albeit not a significant amount but still a saving,
A lot of operators favour the 72 because with higher pax loads all of the above costs are then accounted for with additional revenue whereas if you are averaging 30 pax on a particular route, the 42 is the obvious answer.
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The Loganair SF340's are 34Y. The CFN-DUB morning and DUB-CFN evening legs are significantly busier than the opposite direction.
I'm fairly certain that RE never operated more than 2x daily and they also operated less PIK/GLA-CFN flights.
I'm fairly certain that RE never operated more than 2x daily and they also operated less PIK/GLA-CFN flights.
Jack
This latest article in the examiner says the route is doing well.
Kerry Airport sees 22% rise on Dublin route | Irish Examiner
This latest article in the examiner says the route is doing well.
Kerry Airport sees 22% rise on Dublin route | Irish Examiner
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All forms of domestic transport increase in use as the economy improves - but I seriously doubt it'll provide justification for GWY/SXL/probably even ORK to resume. Motorways and other road improvements make the end to end time pointless. ORK might be able to live off connections, but that's not even assured.
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Think a renewed Dublin-Cork service could comfortably live off connections, not only from Aer Lingus but all the US carriers, Emirates, Etihad, Turkish, Lufthansa, Air France/Cityjet etc.
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Think a renewed Dublin-Cork service could comfortably live off connections, not only from Aer Lingus but all the US carriers, Emirates, Etihad, Turkish, Lufthansa, Air France/Cityjet etc.
Heads up for some of you interested, EI-FAX now approaching Dublin on delivery.
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EI-REH was ferried from Toulouse to Cork yesterday, so I can only imagine that it must be going back into use with Aer Arann.
Anyone else knows more about this?
Anyone else knows more about this?