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Jesus if FR come to BFS there will be a bloodbath between them and Easy.
Not if Easy made a dramatic move to BHD. After all, they operate both domestic and European routes. Just a thought which is probably nonsense, and no doubt I'll be told this in no uncertain terms.
Not if Easy made a dramatic move to BHD. After all, they operate both domestic and European routes. Just a thought which is probably nonsense, and no doubt I'll be told this in no uncertain terms.
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Haven't a clue, True Blue. As I said, it was a sudden thought that is probably nonsense and I can see exactly where you're coming from. It was just the suggestion that the much vaunted new airline will operate both European and domestic routes combined with the rumour that BFS is in discussion with Ryanair. Unless of course, it is Aer Lingus who are planning to move to the Co. Down side of the Lough, and BFS would like Ryanair to become their second biggest operator. Ryanair and Jet2 both operate from LBA. Why not easyJet and Ryanair at BFS?
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All airports talk to all airlines from time to time a lot of the time nothing ever comes out of the talks the only time Ryanair will be in BFS is when they tell the airport they are going to pay there way like all other airlines that use the airport which is only fair,BFS management have told them before on a few occasions the only way your getting in here is when you pay your way.
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But if Aer Lingus left, wouldn't that move the goalposts slightly. They'd need a replacement airline to keep passenger numbers up, and one which would at least offer the same routes as EI, if not even more destinations. Yes, the airport needs every airline to pay its way, but the passengers who use the airlines enable to retail and food outlets to pay their way. It's all swings and roundabouts as far as I can see.
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Just what did Brian Ambrose ACTUALLY say?
Call me pedantic if you wish, but I'm not yet convinced by the subsequent views expressed here that we've all taken on board what Brian Ambrose actually said a fortnight ago.
I quote - "These airlines would service both domestic routes and a European network in 2013"
Now, does that mean both(?) airlines both serving domestically and on Euro routes? Or does it mean one of the airlines would serve domestic routes while the other served the Euro routes? Either interpretation can be taken from the words spoken.
To me it's an "Eats shoots and leaves" conundrum. Without the appropriate punctuation and inflection of the delivery (and without any other explanation being offered) the truth is still a mystery.
I quote - "These airlines would service both domestic routes and a European network in 2013"
Now, does that mean both(?) airlines both serving domestically and on Euro routes? Or does it mean one of the airlines would serve domestic routes while the other served the Euro routes? Either interpretation can be taken from the words spoken.
To me it's an "Eats shoots and leaves" conundrum. Without the appropriate punctuation and inflection of the delivery (and without any other explanation being offered) the truth is still a mystery.
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BFS101 says that Germanwings/Lufthansa/KLM will not operate domestically. Why not? Air Berlin did BHD, Man and perhaps others from Stansted. In addition, any airline could establish a UK subsiduary as KLM had at one time with KLMUK, the former Air UK or as Air France has with Cityjet
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Belfast
Why is everything from Belfast being cancelled?
As a preliminary measure, the planned changes to our Belfast schedule have regrettably been made as a result of commercial and operational challenges. Belfast is in its first full year of operation, and still needs investment, and given the current situation we are unable to maintain the level of investment needed.
Why is Belfast facing all the cuts when other bmibaby routes are still operating?
There are planned cuts across the whole network, but regrettably a review of our operations has resulted in the preliminary measure to cancel services from Belfast.
You’ve only just started these routes from Belfast, why cancel them now?
The planned changes to our Belfast schedule have regrettably been made as a result of commercial and operational challenges. Belfast is in its first full year of operation, and still needs investment, and given the current situation we are unable to maintain the level of investment needed.
Can Belfast-Stansted passengers have the opportunity to transfer onto a bmi flight from Belfast-Heathrow?
Customers will not be transferred onto bmi or any other airline. Where possible we will re-book them on to an alternative bmibaby service or they will receive a refund from us.
Is it just the Belfast routes that are losing money?
As mentioned, the business continues to incur significant losses and we must review future options for our business. Regrettably any preliminary decisions we have made with regards to the network means a cancellation of our Belfast services. If anything changes during the consultation process we will update you.
Belfast
Why is everything from Belfast being cancelled?
As a preliminary measure, the planned changes to our Belfast schedule have regrettably been made as a result of commercial and operational challenges. Belfast is in its first full year of operation, and still needs investment, and given the current situation we are unable to maintain the level of investment needed.
Why is Belfast facing all the cuts when other bmibaby routes are still operating?
There are planned cuts across the whole network, but regrettably a review of our operations has resulted in the preliminary measure to cancel services from Belfast.
You’ve only just started these routes from Belfast, why cancel them now?
The planned changes to our Belfast schedule have regrettably been made as a result of commercial and operational challenges. Belfast is in its first full year of operation, and still needs investment, and given the current situation we are unable to maintain the level of investment needed.
Can Belfast-Stansted passengers have the opportunity to transfer onto a bmi flight from Belfast-Heathrow?
Customers will not be transferred onto bmi or any other airline. Where possible we will re-book them on to an alternative bmibaby service or they will receive a refund from us.
Is it just the Belfast routes that are losing money?
As mentioned, the business continues to incur significant losses and we must review future options for our business. Regrettably any preliminary decisions we have made with regards to the network means a cancellation of our Belfast services. If anything changes during the consultation process we will update you.
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OK. I know I've made a similar point before BUT IAG owns three airlines apart from Baby - bmi, BA and Iberia. It cancels all Baby services from BHD. Thousands of passengers are affected. Some of these people could be re-accommodated on flights operated by the other three airlines, but it IAG refuses to take this course of action. It's a refund or nothing. I'm sure this is legal - but it shouldn't be.
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I was thinking about this statement from Bhd re 2 possible new airlines, we will know in June. Is there any airlines to replace WW at all? I am wondering if the statement might just be a bit of a holding statement with some spin, maybe some good news in a few weeks.
If nothing comes to pass over the next few weeks, who will notice apart from a few of us on this thread? The general public will not notice, they pay little attention to this sort of thing. The press have long forgotten and gone away. Result. Bhd was able to make a glossy statement at a very bad time for them that maybe took a little bit of the bad gloss off things at the time. Now most have forgotten what it was all about and if there is no replacement, nobody notices.
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If nothing comes to pass over the next few weeks, who will notice apart from a few of us on this thread? The general public will not notice, they pay little attention to this sort of thing. The press have long forgotten and gone away. Result. Bhd was able to make a glossy statement at a very bad time for them that maybe took a little bit of the bad gloss off things at the time. Now most have forgotten what it was all about and if there is no replacement, nobody notices.
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It's a bit too specific for a holding statement. The story on the BHD website seems fairly definite.
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Better get a grip guys. I am fed-up with getting one complaint after another about abuse, swearing, digs, pokes and snide. Cut it out please or the thread will be closed until people can behave like gentlemen. Got it?
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Unless Jet2 is prepared to do a 'Gill Air' and ferry an aircraft back and forth from the City to the Intl i cant see Jet2 happening (though happy days if they did jump ship). Or keep 1 aircraft in each airport? Either way it sounds a bit too messy and expensive to happen.
If the City Airport doesnt already have any airlines lined up to start soon, theyre certainly still trying to get them in. Quite a few big cheeses in recently, and the airport has been tidied/freshened up. Though the story from management is that the airport might also be going up for sale or looking for new investers.
As for airlines that may be starting, I can vouch for 2 that have declared interest in Sydenham, but we'll wait and see.
If the City Airport doesnt already have any airlines lined up to start soon, theyre certainly still trying to get them in. Quite a few big cheeses in recently, and the airport has been tidied/freshened up. Though the story from management is that the airport might also be going up for sale or looking for new investers.
As for airlines that may be starting, I can vouch for 2 that have declared interest in Sydenham, but we'll wait and see.
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This thread has been an education! Always thought that BHD was domestic only and that BFS was both domestic and international.
Have been through BHD on BD's service to/from from LHR a few times
but never noticed a door in the main concourse part at the front saying "international arrivals - no entry", hence that impression.
How crazy is that!? Must pay more attention next time!
Have been through BHD on BD's service to/from from LHR a few times
but never noticed a door in the main concourse part at the front saying "international arrivals - no entry", hence that impression.
How crazy is that!? Must pay more attention next time!
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The new operator at City will be Aer Lingus, no surprise there. The surprise will be in the route network they are planning to operate, mainly domestic with a smattering of sun routes at some later stage. Don't think we'll hear offically until middle of next month but I am assured this is correct information. flybe will not be too happy.
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The new operator at City will be Aer Lingus, no surprise there. The surprise will be in the route network they are planning to operate, mainly domestic with a smattering of sun routes at some later stage. Don't think we'll hear offically until middle of next month but I am assured this is correct information. flybe will not be too happy.
As regards European routes coming later on, this would be a huge mistake, ie to stop them now after spending so much time developing them. After so much investment etc.
Unless Easyjets 'new routes' are Tenerife and Lanzarote and Aer Lingus are already giving up the fight...
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The only other gap I can see coming up domestically is STN and its not exactly EI teritory. Moving european routes to BHD could I suppose be seen as retreating to a place of safety and filling the gap that never quite formed by WW. It would of course explain the purchase of A319 aircraft which didn't really seem to fit into any plan exactly.
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The 319s do however allow them to run thinner routes at the quiet times of the year with reduced costs.. as the 319 requires 1 less cabin crew member..
Whatever their decision is, i wish them the best of luck.. it will be a considerable gamble for them if they move across... as we all know EZY will no doubt take the opportunity to replace their routes... I'm keeping my fingers crossed they continue BFS-LHR which could be possible as its the only destination loaded into the system
Whatever their decision is, i wish them the best of luck.. it will be a considerable gamble for them if they move across... as we all know EZY will no doubt take the opportunity to replace their routes... I'm keeping my fingers crossed they continue BFS-LHR which could be possible as its the only destination loaded into the system