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EI-BUD, none of the comments made reference blathering were directed at you. They were directed at Mutley who has now snapped completely it seems. Hopefully when he was being instrumental (ordering paper clips?) in bringing WW to MAN, written communication was not required, nor a level head.
Perhaps a step back from predicting BHD's future is required until the outcome of the negotiations between BHD and the two airlines are made public. Until then we're all guessing, apart from Mutley of course, who is undoubtedly involved in the negotiations!
On a serious note, the April CAA stats would back up Pan's assertion that price and economies will dictate usage of the Belfast airports. Some interesting increases and falls on several routes, which may be indicative of a cannier public shopping around more than ever for their flights.
Perhaps a step back from predicting BHD's future is required until the outcome of the negotiations between BHD and the two airlines are made public. Until then we're all guessing, apart from Mutley of course, who is undoubtedly involved in the negotiations!
On a serious note, the April CAA stats would back up Pan's assertion that price and economies will dictate usage of the Belfast airports. Some interesting increases and falls on several routes, which may be indicative of a cannier public shopping around more than ever for their flights.
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Mut- what if my business is aviation related, I don't recall saying the nature of it. I use Harbour and Aldergrove on a regular basis so I think I am entitled to have an opinion.
I retract what I said earlier calling you a pri*k, it is fairly obvious you are much more than that.
I suggest you take an anger management course, perhaps get them to throw in a GCSE English course at the same time.
I retract what I said earlier calling you a pri*k, it is fairly obvious you are much more than that.
I suggest you take an anger management course, perhaps get them to throw in a GCSE English course at the same time.
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I think your being a bit rude to the other users on this forum mut. Their only getting there point across. Theres no need to get rude. 
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Can I just make a point guys.I have no issue with anyone and I am not an angry person,In fact im the opposite.I made valid comments because I saw the bookings yestersday on an airlines system and I also made valid comments about the way BHD management tried to conceal facts to the CAA and the DOE.I was called a prick by the BHD supporters in the first instance and of course I will react.I was subjected to abuse on here and people made assumptions without facts and assumed I work for a handling agent which is so far from the truth.I do like banter and winding people up,however Panpanpanpan started the abuse in the first instance.So stay in your wee Northern Ireland with your blinkers on and dont listen to subjective criticism just abuse people and get offended when you get a reaction.
Btw can the last person leaving BHD turn of the landing light.
Btw can the last person leaving BHD turn of the landing light.
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All this abuse is very unpleasant. I would imagine, as employers, airlines do check these forums at times. Mutley, I'm not taking sides here, but you hold a position of responsibility with the company that employs you. If they scanned this forum now, they might not be very impressed with some of your posts, no matter how provoked you believed yourself to be. If I were you, I would go back through them, and at least remove the name calling. Please take this as well intentioned advice, and not criticism.
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Enough now people
Regardless of who is right or wrong, the last 2 pages of post are dominated by irrelevant nitty picking and name calling. Mut, you are 44 and Pan in yours 50s so really the both of you should know better. Back off each other and lets move on before the whole thread is closed down.
On a slightly different note, does anyone have any data for say the last year or so on how BE's CDG route is going. It stops in Exeter first to drop off and pick up but I am curious as to whether this may ever go back to a direct service? I can probably find it online but I know we have some posters on here with lots of facts and figures who may be able to give a quick and accurate reply
Regardless of who is right or wrong, the last 2 pages of post are dominated by irrelevant nitty picking and name calling. Mut, you are 44 and Pan in yours 50s so really the both of you should know better. Back off each other and lets move on before the whole thread is closed down.
On a slightly different note, does anyone have any data for say the last year or so on how BE's CDG route is going. It stops in Exeter first to drop off and pick up but I am curious as to whether this may ever go back to a direct service? I can probably find it online but I know we have some posters on here with lots of facts and figures who may be able to give a quick and accurate reply
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For anyone interested here is some bmi baby loads for Thursday:
WW4201 - BHD-STN - 54
WW4202 - STN-BHD - 50
WW4205 - BHD-STN - 100
WW4206 - STN-BHD - 101
WW5602 - BHD-EMA - 57
WW5603 - EMA-BHD - 75
WW5601 - EMA-BHD - 83
WW5606 - BHD-EMA - 108
WW4309 - BHD-AMS - 54
WW4310 - AMS-BHD - 89
WW4507 - BHD-FAO - 139
WW4508 - FAO-BHD - 72
WW1021 - BHD-BHX - 54
WW1022 - BHD-BHX - 72
WW1023 - BHX-BHD - 141
WW1024 - BHD-BHX - 77
WW4201 - BHD-STN - 54
WW4202 - STN-BHD - 50
WW4205 - BHD-STN - 100
WW4206 - STN-BHD - 101
WW5602 - BHD-EMA - 57
WW5603 - EMA-BHD - 75
WW5601 - EMA-BHD - 83
WW5606 - BHD-EMA - 108
WW4309 - BHD-AMS - 54
WW4310 - AMS-BHD - 89
WW4507 - BHD-FAO - 139
WW4508 - FAO-BHD - 72
WW1021 - BHD-BHX - 54
WW1022 - BHD-BHX - 72
WW1023 - BHX-BHD - 141
WW1024 - BHD-BHX - 77
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panpanpanpan, yes i've been on their website, I think I was more surprised than humoured at the amount of anti-City airport bias they pump out onto it. Ironic that the ring leader of the group, who I imagine would love to see the airport close, is a regular user of the place.
As for the CDG route, the vast majority of days would only have a handful of passengers travelling all the way through from Belfast. Why bother using it when its cheaper to fly direct with the likes of Easyjet, and not have any customs/immigration to deal with when you fly back through Exeter from Paris to Belfast
As for the CDG route, the vast majority of days would only have a handful of passengers travelling all the way through from Belfast. Why bother using it when its cheaper to fly direct with the likes of Easyjet, and not have any customs/immigration to deal with when you fly back through Exeter from Paris to Belfast
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I flew Bhd - Bhx on a Wednesday about 3 weeks ago. I counted the number boarding the morning flight to Ema on WW as I waited, about 30. I wondered how that would pay and when you look at the pax numbers above, how many of those flights made money, maybe 2?. WW was losing lots of money and it would be very foolish to believe that the Bhd routes were profitable, but all the money was being lost on ops out of the mainland.
I read just recently that Flybe are going 7 daily to Bhx on the E195. On my 7am departure, the E195 was about 60% full. I came back about 2.30 on a dash, it was only about 40% full, so little need for a 195 on that flight. So how long will the 7 a day last, especially when Ezy start taking pax away?
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I read just recently that Flybe are going 7 daily to Bhx on the E195. On my 7am departure, the E195 was about 60% full. I came back about 2.30 on a dash, it was only about 40% full, so little need for a 195 on that flight. So how long will the 7 a day last, especially when Ezy start taking pax away?
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I agree to a certain extent but I would say up to now flybe have right-sized the BHX service although once easy start BFS I would not be surprised to see the Dash reappear in winter on BHD.
The traditionally lower figures are on the BHX first out, the 14.40 BHX out and the inbound lunchtime to BHX and last one in to BHX. However the lack of Baby will improve the first out, last back and the 14.40 will have some 195 loads on Thursdays/Friday as well as on the same aircraft when in returns to BHX at 16-1700.
Although in winter you know on a Monday-Wednesday that flight will never make 195 loads but I suppose that is the gamble, do play safe with the Dash all week or hope the money made on Thursday and Friday is worth in. In winter they might have the option to use the Dash Mo-We and the 195 Th & Fr if necessary.
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I agree to a certain extent but I would say up to now flybe have right-sized the BHX service although once easy start BFS I would not be surprised to see the Dash reappear in winter on BHD.
The traditionally lower figures are on the BHX first out, the 14.40 BHX out and the inbound lunchtime to BHX and last one in to BHX. However the lack of Baby will improve the first out, last back and the 14.40 will have some 195 loads on Thursdays/Friday as well as on the same aircraft when in returns to BHX at 16-1700.
Although in winter you know on a Monday-Wednesday that flight will never make 195 loads but I suppose that is the gamble, do play safe with the Dash all week or hope the money made on Thursday and Friday is worth in. In winter they might have the option to use the Dash Mo-We and the 195 Th & Fr if necessary.
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WW4507 - BHD-FAO - 139
WW4508 - FAO-BHD - 72
Very respectable early summer season load on the outbound, and more passengers on the inbound than we had on our EI flight to BFS from FAO a fortnight ago.
If all of the leisure route flights were booked like this, it gives you some idea of how many people's holiday plans have gone down the pan.
WW4508 - FAO-BHD - 72
Very respectable early summer season load on the outbound, and more passengers on the inbound than we had on our EI flight to BFS from FAO a fortnight ago.
If all of the leisure route flights were booked like this, it gives you some idea of how many people's holiday plans have gone down the pan.
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If all of the leisure route flights were booked like this,
The bottom line is (despite your angst) they (Baby) could no longer survive to scoot you to and from your paella fest.
Very sad for the staff as I always enjoyed flying with and working with them.
We await with anticipation Mr A's next white knight.
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If all of the leisure route flights were booked like this, it gives you some idea of how many people's holiday plans have gone down the pan.
Eastern Wiseguy, you've quoted me completely out of context. I was not commenting on the profitability or otherwise of seats sold on the now cancelled WW flights to the sun from BHD. I was pointing out just how many people's travel plans have been ruined by the decision not to proceed with the bmi baby summer schedule from my local airport.
I'm currently not booked to travel with any airline to a "paella fest" as you describe it - chance would be a fine thing at present - but many people in both the West and East Midlands are booked to do just that with bmi baby and their flights have not been cancelled.
I make no apologies for saying that from the travellers perspective, I feel Northern Ireland holidaymakers who paid to travel with bmi baby have had a raw deal.
Not only has IAG withdrawn their flights at short notice, it has stated it will not re-accommodate them on flights operated by the other 3 airlines it now owns - bmi, BA and Iberia.
However, my sympathy for local people whose holiday plans have been ruined, does not mean I do not realise how awful this situation is for bmi baby staff. If you read the post I filed on the bmi baby thread, you'll realise I understand only too well what they're going through. I think they have been treated abominably and I hope they all manage to obtain new jobs ASAP.
Eastern Wiseguy, you've quoted me completely out of context. I was not commenting on the profitability or otherwise of seats sold on the now cancelled WW flights to the sun from BHD. I was pointing out just how many people's travel plans have been ruined by the decision not to proceed with the bmi baby summer schedule from my local airport.
I'm currently not booked to travel with any airline to a "paella fest" as you describe it - chance would be a fine thing at present - but many people in both the West and East Midlands are booked to do just that with bmi baby and their flights have not been cancelled.
I make no apologies for saying that from the travellers perspective, I feel Northern Ireland holidaymakers who paid to travel with bmi baby have had a raw deal.
Not only has IAG withdrawn their flights at short notice, it has stated it will not re-accommodate them on flights operated by the other 3 airlines it now owns - bmi, BA and Iberia.
However, my sympathy for local people whose holiday plans have been ruined, does not mean I do not realise how awful this situation is for bmi baby staff. If you read the post I filed on the bmi baby thread, you'll realise I understand only too well what they're going through. I think they have been treated abominably and I hope they all manage to obtain new jobs ASAP.
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Frankly FF my answer remains valid(full quotation or not) .There wasn't enough money transferring in to BmiBaby's account from NI .There may have been from their traditional base. They are/were a business and they do not cling to sentimental notions of keeping their obligations to the holidaying public.
It is unfortunate but as business people on this board will tell you it's nothing personal.
I refer you to our local businessmans take on airlines and Harbour expansion.
PanPanPanPan
It's a business decision...the NI public are merely collateral damage.
It is unfortunate but as business people on this board will tell you it's nothing personal.
I refer you to our local businessmans take on airlines and Harbour expansion.
PanPanPanPan
Surely as a business they have had first choice on any european routes or new markets as Harbours main carrier? If they have chosen not to take the opportunity to expand and subsequently other carriers come in then whats the issue?
Do you really expect Harbour to sit and wait for FlyBe to decide when the time is right? Surely as a business Harbour would be foolish not to explore ALL avenues, particularly when the economy is the basket case it is.
Do you really expect Harbour to sit and wait for FlyBe to decide when the time is right? Surely as a business Harbour would be foolish not to explore ALL avenues, particularly when the economy is the basket case it is.