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Old 17th May 2016, 16:33
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It will be operated like SNN base, cc based at airport and flight deck not.
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Old 17th May 2016, 16:44
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Shows the total lack of commitment to the Northern Ireland market,running back to Dublin. Probably means that the stories that they will be out of this market by the end of this summer are spot on
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Old 17th May 2016, 18:19
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How does it show a lack of commitment? All they are doing is making the operation efficient and cost-effective.
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Old 17th May 2016, 18:27
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I wouldn't have bothered going there if I were you! That said its a shame but I guess 1x aircraft base doesn't justify based crew. EI have stated all routes are safe, in fact in theory we could see more summer sun on a W basis, they now will be less affected by operating constraints at BHD, unless they have a seasonal base there for a/c and crew. Interesting to see how summer routes perform this year - I daresay the arrival of FR will be part of the need to reduce cost, they may have to fight a fares war next summer.

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Old 17th May 2016, 19:38
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I said a number of weeks ago that there were to be a number of cuts and I was right. I also said that this summer would see the last of the sun routes, watch this space. When they gather the nerve to announce the plans they have already made we'll all see their true colours.
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Old 17th May 2016, 19:42
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We're all off to Dublin in the green in the green, come on sing along...
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Old 17th May 2016, 20:25
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Originally Posted by AerRyan
How does it show a lack of commitment? All they are doing is making the operation efficient and cost-effective.
so 70 local redundancies and then pulling out of the market is not lack of commitment oh forgot Dublin speak.....screw us Northerners. Good luck to the guys and gals who are losing their jobs.
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Old 17th May 2016, 20:25
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If the posters are correct' will EI ever consider a move back to BFS??
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Old 17th May 2016, 20:30
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Anybody know reason why GLA and LPL flights cancelled tonight
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Old 17th May 2016, 20:31
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Gazmo after the court case.........??? I think the BFS management will be having a party when Aer Dublin leave The Harbour never to darken the doors again of the 6 counties.
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Old 17th May 2016, 22:05
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I'd rather have EI at BHD than the Harper's at BFS. Funny to watch the UTV waffle on this one. EI's cost base is actually not bad. The idea that this is the reason behind their decision is tenuous. This is a strategic change in direction from IAG and when they say boo, EI will jump.
Currently 2 airlines in the same group, flying to the same place within 40mins of each other and both will now night stop crews. How long do you think that'll last? The return of the 321 is in sight.
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Old 17th May 2016, 22:33
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I'm a Dubliner now? That's very offensive!

Explain to me how they are pulling out of the market?

I am supportive of BHD, and find some of the pessimism on here against the airport extremely ridiculous, but come on, get real now. The loss of the EI jobs are the gain of Ryanair jobs, that's essentially what LGW was, a transfer from EI to FR.
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Old 17th May 2016, 23:01
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Aer Lingus recoiling back to base-camp in Dublin isn't exactly a new thing as far as their history of flirting with Belfast and Northern Ireland goes! They've had a few goes over the years in Belfast, generally BFS and lately BHD, when they thought something interesting might be afoot economically in the wee north, and they always end up on a bungee cord back to DUB. This time they've been here since 2007 and the last lot of years have spent more time promoting in NI to try to drag people south to fly from Dublin than they have offering services to allow folk the convenience of local flights! The whole fanfare when they arrived, this time around, was £100 million investment in NI with based aircraft and local JOB creation. I'm sure people will be able to draw their own conclusions.
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Old 17th May 2016, 23:12
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I can't believe some of the vitriol here towards EI. Yes its a terrible shame about the job loss but did anyone not see this coming as soon as the IAG deal was struck? They may be run as separate companies but IAG are pulling the strings and it makes business sense to make efficiency changes.

OneBellEnd - there is no point harping on about EI's business strategy and promises from years ago because the landscape completely changed once IAG bought them over.
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Old 17th May 2016, 23:12
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I said a number of weeks ago that there were to be a number of cuts and I was right. I also said that this summer would see the last of the sun routes, watch this space. When they gather the nerve to announce the plans they have already made we'll all see their true colours.
Well it wouldn't of taken the brightest tool in the box to realize it was going to happen once LGW was dropped. Why would pay a pile of staff when there is no work in winter.

Might well be last summer however I think possibly scaled down seasonal could be one the cards. Really depends if the assets deployed are making the most profit. Aer Lingus don't wast time competing in the race to the bottom with other carriers when they don't need to.

Aer Lingus recoiling back to base-camp in Dublin isn't exactly a new thing as far as their history of flirting with Belfast and Northern Ireland goes! They've had a few goes over the years in Belfast, generally BFS and lately BHD, when they thought something interesting might be afoot economically in the wee north, and they always end up on a bungee cord back to DUB. This time they've been here since 2007 and the last lot of years have spent more time promoting in NI to try to drag people south to fly from Dublin than they have offering services to allow folk the convenience of local flights! The whole fanfare when they arrived, this time around, was £100 million investment in NI with based aircraft and local JOB creation. I'm sure people will be able to draw their own conclusions.
Anything less than 2 aircraft based year round at an airport is "difficult" to justify commercially and it usually results in larger bases crewing operations. Shannon and some of Cork is crewed from Dublin as well. Nothing new or wrong if it keeps costs down.

Ironic thing here is that the majority of posters here have never or in the last couple of years flown with Aer Lingus yet you then question their commitment to NI market.
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Old 18th May 2016, 07:43
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Commitment

If you look at the commitment to the NI market only Flybe and Easyjet can claim to do that. Through thick and thin these 2 carriers have been here, the fly-by-nights from Dublin have been in and out of here so many times. All this talk of efficiency is a joke particularly when Dublin based costs are substantially higher than the Belfast ones. Also crews will be bussed in the night before etc etc. What it really means is that at the end of summer it is bye bye Aer Lingus from Belfast.
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Old 18th May 2016, 07:47
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Least we forget real people are losing real paying jobs over this so let's not forget the financial impact to the guys and gals at the coal face here!!
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Old 18th May 2016, 08:13
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Again as I've said, the jobs are basically transferring from EI to FR.
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Old 18th May 2016, 08:28
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Originally Posted by AerRyan
Again as I've said, the jobs are basically transferring from EI to FR.
Given the difference in approach to contracts, I imagine very few of the same people will have been making the switch though. So while you might be right in one respect, the people losing their jobs at EI are not simply being transferred, which I think is the negative aspect that people are trying to highlight. These are real people with an uncertain future. Never a good thing.
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Old 18th May 2016, 08:46
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So EI should have unprofitably kept staff at BHF just to support the economy? Not like they are a business or anything.
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