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[DC9_10]

Flybe don't have the funds to kick anyone of a route as they could not sustain a price war, however they are consistent on their establish routes. They try there best to provide a year round (ahem) reliable service. Credit where credit is due and never would I thought I'd defend them. I must be mellowing with age,however whatever points if view we hold, it's good to have constructive debate on the forum for a change and arguments with spotters who have never worked in the industry but think they are armchair experts.

[EGAC is Better]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

Ryanair are different to Flybe though, realistically looking at Flybes business model they won't kick EZY off any route.

Ryanair might if they see a gap in the market go for it as a result of EZY reducing capacity!

[AerRyan]

Maybe, maybe not.

What can be stated as fact is that Ryanair seem to have no interest in the domestic market as of yet, LGW is only a slot keeper.

[DC9_10]

EGAC, this is what I'm trying to get at. Weak scheduling by EZY could turn out to be an FR advantage. They could swoop in on routess like BHX and GLA providing a better schedule, and have the deep pockets to take on both EZY And BE. BE are not in a position to compete with FR who would flood the marker with £9'99 fares all in. Then,where would it stop. I think EZY will put up the fight,however due to the operational hours that are required especially for summer routes and aircraft utilisation,BHD, as leverage,is out of the question for both.

[DC9_10]

AerRyan, LGW is not a slot keeper for FR. The route is already turning substantial profit.

[EGAC is Better]

Originally Posted by DC9_10

EGAC, this is what I'm trying to get at. Weak scheduling by EZY could turn out to be an FR advantage. They could swoop in on routess like BHX and GLA providing a better schedule, and have the deep pockets to take on both EZY And BE. BE are not in a position to compete with FR who would flood the marker with £9'99 fares all in. Then,where would it stop. I think EZY will put up the fight,however due to the operational hours that are required especially for summer routes and aircraft utilisation,BHD, as leverage,is out of the question for both.

👍 my thought's too dc9. RYR rarely need a second opportunity to stick it to their competitors. It could be a mistake on EZY's part to let RYR establish even a small hold on their bread and butter at BFS.

Believe him or not, when announcing the closure of STN from LDY, MOL effectively said that LPL and GLA will follow STN to the bin. He qualified it with a statement along the lines of, 'I have a base at BFS, it makes no sense to not operate these flights to there.'

I take it with a pinch of salt but if that was a genuine statement, the evidence would point to RYR being interested in the domestic market.

[Husky One]

dC9 - as are Easyjet who are happy to be outperforming the Ryan's on it (whatever that really means)
BHX schedule hasn't been loaded in its entirety yet but crew have been told to expect the same as last summer.

[True Blue]

I have to agree with comments that EZY schedules at times seem designed to destroy a route. The times on Lgw used to be rubbish at times, they have improved since Fr arrived. But times to Bhx, Gla, etc leave a lot to be desired at times.

I see from the Dec Caa stats that Ezy had good results on Bhx and Man in December 16.

[DC9_10]

Husky, I imagine yes that both FR and EZY are both happy enough with performance on the LGW route. After all, it's now the largest route from Northern Ireland. However, lacklustre schedules from EZY on other UK routes might just give FR the nudge they are waiting for. The fiasco with the late launch of BHX route and no early flights except Mondays yet could be the incentive.

[EI-BUD]

AerRyan, LGW is not a slot keeper for FR. The route is already turning substantial profit

DC9_10,

Few people will know the precise revenue on any Ryanair route or the yield for that matter, and those that actually do will not be stating any such facts on a public forum like on this one. What is known is that a very significant level of passengers are carried between the 2 carriers on the route, which would point to very high load factors. Respectfully, I doubt you can actuality make such a statement on here and stand over it.

EI-BUD

[Husky One]

Easy usually produce a summer schedule which is a slave to the bucket and spade. This year is slightly different as the BCN and PMI routes are operated by out of base crews.
The BHX has an early departure every weekday and 3 returns on mon/thurs/fri. Looks like business as usual to me.

[DC9_10]

EI BUD At a recent FR presentation, we were informed canaries and gatwick are the first routes to show profit. That was from the Crewlink people.

[EI-BUD]

DC9_10,
Your comments are noted. I Wouldn't expect Crewlink to say anything different. It is unlikely they'll get anything too specific, other than generic messages... As for Canary Island routes, wouldn't be a surprise if they were successful..EI-BUD

[Refuellerman]

Ezy

I see first exy to lgw in mornings now a319, a320 now does stn? Has ezy threw in the towel on lgw i wonder

[El Bunto]

Putting an A319 onto a competitive route seems an odd way to try to survive, 5% cheaper to run for 20% fewer seats. So they actually need to *increase* yield to compete.

[Jamie2k9]

Putting an A319 onto a competitive route seems an odd way to try to survive, 5% cheaper to run for 20% fewer seats. So they actually need to *increase* yield to compete.

It makes sense to do it, not just about yield but prehaps they are not filling the 20% extra seats and/or demand/yield to STN is better at the minute.

[mart901]

I flew over to STN on A320 on an evening flight recently, brand new one and what an improvement it is. I don't think for one minute a change of a/c means they are throwing in the towel. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

[owenc]

STN also has an A320 at 9pm.

[Refuellerman]

First flight when fr are filling a b737-8 189 pax compared to maybe 100 ish on the ezys?

[GAZMO]

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