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What credible reason has anyone seen for BA making a move from the business friendly City airport to the easyJet dominated Aldergrove? Are they planning this before the summer schedules? End of October? Twelfth of Never?
Where has this come from? Because a group of BA execs was seen at BFS?
Btw there's no "big opportunity" for flybe even if they did move as the two markets overwhelmingly overlap! I think the analysis on the previous pages is not in any way evidence based and is wishful thinking in an echo chamber. I could be wrong, it would not be the first time(!) However BA have no record of moving from a convenient business friendly city centre airport to one further out. Now IAG are driving change at BA but this would be very unusual IMHO.
Where has this come from? Because a group of BA execs was seen at BFS?
Btw there's no "big opportunity" for flybe even if they did move as the two markets overwhelmingly overlap! I think the analysis on the previous pages is not in any way evidence based and is wishful thinking in an echo chamber. I could be wrong, it would not be the first time(!) However BA have no record of moving from a convenient business friendly city centre airport to one further out. Now IAG are driving change at BA but this would be very unusual IMHO.
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From what I gather BA are in a 5 yr deal at BHD, I'd struggle to conceive them exiting this in any less, if at all really. And any deal offered by BFS would be subject to counter deals from BHD. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, I just find it extremely unlikely.
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So Bfs can make an offer to Ba which Bhd has to meet/exceed. So imagine, if you can, that Bfs makes a seriously low offer to BA, Bhd has to meet it. Where does that leave Bhd? Having just lost Lgw as well.
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This is a rumour and gossip site.....Professional Pilots Rumour Network. BA bods were seen round the terminal and I am assured that BFS are talking to BA. It is good to see all the BFS haters pop out of the woodwork. Anyway great start to the year as growth almost 20% in January, roll on the rest of the year.
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Good figures for January. Press release today up 20%
Airport reports January surge in passenger numbers ...
Airport reports January surge in passenger numbers ...
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Says Mr Keddie:
Well except for Easyjet all those carriers will be enjoying decreases in passenger traffic due to reduced schedules at present. So I think that's a bit of a stretch of the truth....
easyJet, Jet 2, United, Wizz are all enjoying increases in passenger traffic.
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it is nice to see Bfs passenger figures on the up, I still maintain BA is pie in the sky unless management put hands in pockets and expand. Interesting where the extra 20% passengers came from tho? Will BHD be struggling to balance the books this year because of this? Could be sleepless nights ahead for some.
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Compared to last January
UA operating three weekly (flights were cancelled last year Jan to early March)
BHX three extra weekly flights
MAN one extra weekly flight
LON six extra weekly flights (I think)
AMS 2/3 extra weekly flights (last year 4/5 flights per week this Jan 7 weekly)
KRK one extra weekly flight (only two weekly in January last year three this Jan)
Prague had three flights in early January with jet2
Wizz to Vilinus and Katowice ( twice weekly, although now reduce to weekly until late March)
TCX one flight to Cuba
Hopefully above correct
Compared to last January
UA operating three weekly (flights were cancelled last year Jan to early March)
BHX three extra weekly flights
MAN one extra weekly flight
LON six extra weekly flights (I think)
AMS 2/3 extra weekly flights (last year 4/5 flights per week this Jan 7 weekly)
KRK one extra weekly flight (only two weekly in January last year three this Jan)
Prague had three flights in early January with jet2
Wizz to Vilinus and Katowice ( twice weekly, although now reduce to weekly until late March)
TCX one flight to Cuba
Hopefully above correct
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Wanted to reply earlier but weekend and work caught up. I travelled through BFS last Friday. Saw Mr Keddie with people who I have not named as BA execs, some you on here have jumped to conclusions. I also had time to have a quick drink with my brother in law, a freelance architect who is working for Marcon and stated lounge progress in two stages, the second being an installation of an airbridge. My relative as I said is an architect who's major work also includes the Mater Hospital, the Opera House and future plans for Belfast and has no agenda.
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Well it won't be a low cost carrier . The airbridge adds to cost and nothing to their bottom line.
So we may cross EZY,RYR,and Wizzair off that list of potential customers.
Is there anything scheduled for the "international pier" which might cause the transatlantic to move and require an airbridge? UAL don't like their pax (especially those in the front of the cabin) to have to trudge through a County Antrim rainy day to clamber up steps and sit soaked for the first hour or so of a flight.
Can customs/Border Force accommodate pax through that alternative route?
If none of the above seems likely then the conclusion I reach is that there seems to be a full service airline with domestic schedules that might be looking to use it.
What have I overlooked?
So we may cross EZY,RYR,and Wizzair off that list of potential customers.
Is there anything scheduled for the "international pier" which might cause the transatlantic to move and require an airbridge? UAL don't like their pax (especially those in the front of the cabin) to have to trudge through a County Antrim rainy day to clamber up steps and sit soaked for the first hour or so of a flight.
Can customs/Border Force accommodate pax through that alternative route?
If none of the above seems likely then the conclusion I reach is that there seems to be a full service airline with domestic schedules that might be looking to use it.
What have I overlooked?
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It is quite likely that easyJet may use an airbridge for their Gatwick route to differentiate themselves from Ryanair when they come into the route, so if there is an airbridge going in, this may be a plausable explanation.
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Reality....
Elaborate please. I looked at the issues and put them on "paper" as a means to stimulate conversation.
So forgive me if I take issue with your one word answer.
Elaborate please. I looked at the issues and put them on "paper" as a means to stimulate conversation.
So forgive me if I take issue with your one word answer.
BA bods were seen round the terminal and I am assured that BFS are talking to BA.
Questioning whether this is in anyway likely to mean BA moving from BFS to BHD does not make me a hater. If "h8ers gunna h8" is your world view, rumours are the least of your worries.
BA's typical target market is more slightly more prevelant out of BHD than BFS. They don't care enough about restricted opening hours to have that as a reason to move and cost benefit is restricted in time and had to have a potential loss of yield balanced against it as some high yield p2p traffic won't trek to BFS if BHD has a reasonable alternative which it would if BA moved! I see no rationale here for a move back to where they were in what, 2001?
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Let's think this through logically,
If they are building a new airbridge by the requirement of an airline or a joint investment with an airline it's going to be an airline that is already in the NI market at BHD or BFS and know it's worth their while doing it
Look for example at Vueling, they lasted one summer season after big talk from WW that their was more routes on the cards with them
It won't be for FR
Why would EZY want one with other aircraft without, same goes for LS
And I would say TOM and TCX aren't fussed as they just use the current one when it's free
Having an airbridge beside a business lounge sounds like something United or BA would want
Could this possibly be at the interest of UA who I'm sure have loyal business cumstomers who don't like the long walk from the current lounge to the gate? Many business passengers like to stay in the lounge until the very last minute before they board the plane which they are unable to do at the moment
If they are building a new airbridge by the requirement of an airline or a joint investment with an airline it's going to be an airline that is already in the NI market at BHD or BFS and know it's worth their while doing it
Look for example at Vueling, they lasted one summer season after big talk from WW that their was more routes on the cards with them
It won't be for FR
Why would EZY want one with other aircraft without, same goes for LS
And I would say TOM and TCX aren't fussed as they just use the current one when it's free
Having an airbridge beside a business lounge sounds like something United or BA would want
Could this possibly be at the interest of UA who I'm sure have loyal business cumstomers who don't like the long walk from the current lounge to the gate? Many business passengers like to stay in the lounge until the very last minute before they board the plane which they are unable to do at the moment
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No word on the other Ryanair routes yet?
I see Wizz Air are slowly releasing their W16/17 schedules at the minute. Katowice and Vilnius haven't been added yet but hopefully soon.
I see Wizz Air are slowly releasing their W16/17 schedules at the minute. Katowice and Vilnius haven't been added yet but hopefully soon.
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Yup hopefully something new will come on stream, KTW is always one of the last to be released. I did read the comments about airlines waiting for air route fund to launch new routes, hopefully this is true! Wizzair certainly have the capabilities to do a lot.