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In what way, if any, has the NI traveller benefited overall from the move by EI from Bfs to Bhd? I see tomorrow morning EI depart at 7.45 and BA at 7.50. How is that a benefit? BA has reduced flights compared to BD, how is that a benefit? I believe that we have a poorer service as a result.
Would be interested to hear other views.
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Hi True Blue,
Yes BA have reduced the frequency to 5/6 daily. Hardly surprising given that last Winter loads collectively on BHD LHR were in the region of 50-55%, and no doubt as the final months of EI and BE capacity together on LGW will lead to a lot of low priced seats....
It is surprising that BA has such a late departure, in fact EI has first out and last back, even if first out is only 5 minutes earlier. , Across summer on many occasions I have used the BA 0635 and EI 0730, the loads on EI seemed greater on their later departure time. I would combine an 0730 EI with an earlier that EI late departure back e.g. 1635 or 1755. Noticed others faces doing this.... Hence a slightly later than 0635 departure may be more popular.. However, it's probably down to slot availability.
It is also worth noting that this time last year BA also started off with an 0750 departure changing it later into the season...
Yes BA have reduced the frequency to 5/6 daily. Hardly surprising given that last Winter loads collectively on BHD LHR were in the region of 50-55%, and no doubt as the final months of EI and BE capacity together on LGW will lead to a lot of low priced seats....
It is surprising that BA has such a late departure, in fact EI has first out and last back, even if first out is only 5 minutes earlier. , Across summer on many occasions I have used the BA 0635 and EI 0730, the loads on EI seemed greater on their later departure time. I would combine an 0730 EI with an earlier that EI late departure back e.g. 1635 or 1755. Noticed others faces doing this.... Hence a slightly later than 0635 departure may be more popular.. However, it's probably down to slot availability.
It is also worth noting that this time last year BA also started off with an 0750 departure changing it later into the season...
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LHR cancellations tomorrow are related to the adverse weather in the South of England.
Airlines at LHR have been asked to reduce movements at LHR tomorrow by 20%
Up to 1100hrs , by 10% between 1100-1600 and by 5% after 1600hrs.
EI have canx 0640 and 0740 deps from Dub ,and 0735 from ORk as well as the 0745 from BHD , and the reciprocal return deps. From LHR.
LH have 3 rotations canx , KL 2, SR 1 , VS 4 , and BA 36 incl 1250 LHR/BHD and 1445BHD/LHR , so nothing to do with which Belfast airport .
More specific details on Heathrow thread.
As regards BA frequency ,their base schedule is 6 per day M-F ,4 Sa ,5 Su .
They appear to be doing some tactical cancellations ,with 1 rotation canx on Tue /Wed in the first couple of weeks in Nov. Not sure if this is for commercial or operational reasons , they have been doing subs on shorthaul to the likes of Titan recently.Maybe a BA insider can advise .?
Airlines at LHR have been asked to reduce movements at LHR tomorrow by 20%
Up to 1100hrs , by 10% between 1100-1600 and by 5% after 1600hrs.
EI have canx 0640 and 0740 deps from Dub ,and 0735 from ORk as well as the 0745 from BHD , and the reciprocal return deps. From LHR.
LH have 3 rotations canx , KL 2, SR 1 , VS 4 , and BA 36 incl 1250 LHR/BHD and 1445BHD/LHR , so nothing to do with which Belfast airport .
More specific details on Heathrow thread.
As regards BA frequency ,their base schedule is 6 per day M-F ,4 Sa ,5 Su .
They appear to be doing some tactical cancellations ,with 1 rotation canx on Tue /Wed in the first couple of weeks in Nov. Not sure if this is for commercial or operational reasons , they have been doing subs on shorthaul to the likes of Titan recently.Maybe a BA insider can advise .?
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Find that hard to believe that ba last winter only 50% full yet Willy Walsh has stated numerous times that it is one of IAG's most profitable route and is better than expected. Bums on seats then must be no reflection of profitability then.
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I agree that 50%is a very pessimistic guesstimate?I think 70% would be nearer the mark.
As regards comments from Willie Walsh , I know he said recently the route had performed above expectations and that BA were on it for the long term.
However , I have never seen him anywhere describe BHD as one of the most profitable routes ,and I don't think he ever will as that is clearly not the case !
As regards comments from Willie Walsh , I know he said recently the route had performed above expectations and that BA were on it for the long term.
However , I have never seen him anywhere describe BHD as one of the most profitable routes ,and I don't think he ever will as that is clearly not the case !
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LH have 3 rotations canx , KL 2, SR 1 , VS 4 , and BA 36 incl 1250 LHR/BHD
and 1445BHD/LHR , so nothing to do with which Belfast airport
Find that hard to believe that ba last winter only 50% full yet Willy Walsh has
stated numerous times that it is one of IAG's most profitable route and is
better than expected. Bums on seats then must be no reflection of profitability
then.
stated numerous times that it is one of IAG's most profitable route and is
better than expected. Bums on seats then must be no reflection of profitability
then.
Willie Walsh said they are very happy with the performance of the BHD LHR route. My comment was that the load factor on BHD LHR (not specifically by either airlines) was 50-55% last Winter. That is based on 7 daily BA (mix of 319 & 320) and 3 daily EI 319s (some services were 320).
You can do a calculation based on those aircraft sizes and CAA stats.
Clearly loads dont mean profitability etc
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I think since EI left Bfs on the basis of much improvement for the NI traveller. I am quite entitled to ask the question on the Bfs thread, what benefit has there been for the NI consumer? Especially those from the north and west who now have further to travel if they wish to use Lhr. Of course, if it annoys you that much, you could always ignore my post.
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I agree you have every right to post on the BFS thread. As a consumer I have not used EI since they departed BFS. Why? Well if I am flying to London or other UK destination then EZY provide a good service, this with a shorter distance to/from airport (yes I live up north) and cheaper parking makes it my choice
If I have to use LHR for connection then prefer BA (yes greater frequency although not overly important and BA FFlyer)
I agree you have every right to post on the BFS thread. As a consumer I have not used EI since they departed BFS. Why? Well if I am flying to London or other UK destination then EZY provide a good service, this with a shorter distance to/from airport (yes I live up north) and cheaper parking makes it my choice
If I have to use LHR for connection then prefer BA (yes greater frequency although not overly important and BA FFlyer)
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Conveniently ignoring those from the south and east who now have less distance to travel to use LHR. Seriously lads get over it, it's happened, move on or seek counselling..
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Yes, nice footage.
50th anniversary and the only thing the airport spokesman had to say was about improving the roads infrastructure to and from the airport !
Hello
I sincerely hope the new american owners start cracking the whip.
50th anniversary and the only thing the airport spokesman had to say was about improving the roads infrastructure to and from the airport !
Hello
I sincerely hope the new american owners start cracking the whip.
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50th anniversary and the only thing the airport spokesman had to say was about improving the roads infrastructure to and from the airport !
Hello
I sincerely hope the new american owners start cracking the whip.
Hello
I sincerely hope the new american owners start cracking the whip.
And 'rumor' has it the new owners are no mugs so I hope you are correct on that score.
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Future plans
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