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Old 8th May 2015, 10:09
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So what is so bad about it if people are moving on in such apparent numbers?

BA, EJ and MON are only taking TRd people in any number (a handful changing type on induction to BA). Can't imagine many people moving on to FR or Norwegian and for most the Middle East is a last resort.

So either people are making up the rumours that everyone is leaving or there's some unknown airline hiring Boeing pilots en masse.

Why are people moving on and where are they going?
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Old 8th May 2015, 12:36
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Thumbs down

Spot on gorter...
And people ARE leaving for Ryanair...Thomson, BA, La Compagnie, Norwegian and The ME are all on the list...

No one is creating rumours about numbers leaving, there are those that remain on the strange world of "Planet Jet2" that believe the spin and head-in-sand management rubbish and defend it, but as far as large UK airlines go, Jet2 has a VERY big long-term problem that I'm not even sure John Harvey-Jones could handle!

In short, low quality, outrageously top-heavy management structure, majority share holder is a micro-manager and hates people and the business plan is a non-diverse, shallow, simple thing that is backed into a corner with a limited future. All adds up to worst terms & conditions in the UK, non-career environment with disgusting low-levels of people management.

They get everything they deserve and will suffer this summer...I'm afraid the damage is now done, there is a Ryanair type "Brickwall" approaching fast, which will hurt with nothing like the Ryanair cash reserves behind them.
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Old 8th May 2015, 12:56
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For me it was the constant roster changes that ruined any chance of any kind of personal life in the summer. On top of that the punitive "just culture" that meant most people spent more covering their arse than actually focussing on the job in hand. For others it was the prospect of being promoted out of base despite the fact that DEC's were being recruited in to their base. Despite guarantees that it wouldn't happen again it appears that it is again this year.

The constant fire fighting that was the roster disruption (not the fault of the crewing department but not helped either they certainly didn't care that your life was being thrown upside down again) meant I dreaded going to work because I really didn't want to see what was in store for me then. Calling friends/family whatever as soon as I reported "you know those plans we had, yeah I'm going to have to cancel again. Let's reschedule for November.


And yes people have gone to all of the airlines mentioned. Most have gone to BA, some to Thomson, a couple to the middle eastern airlines. I'd say about a quarter of my aquaintances that have left have gone to Ryanair.

Yes I will be worker a lot harder in my new employer but my roster is stable. I can actually plan a life outside of work. That'll do thanks.
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Old 8th May 2015, 13:13
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So why weren't you able to plan a life on your days off at Jet2?
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Old 8th May 2015, 13:15
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Because after 5 roster changes in 6 days from earlies to lates and back again I was too knackered in my 2 days off
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Old 8th May 2015, 13:15
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How pathetic.
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Old 8th May 2015, 13:21
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Yes I will be worker a lot harder in my new employer
Is that not the problem? People going into work to find a roster they aren't happy with, decide (rather immaturely) to not work hard, and get so fed up, they leave, for the 'better structured' (I say with great sarcasm) Ryanair?!? Jet2 are very much a seasonal airline - very busy in summer, not so in winter. I am sure there are many pilots who do, and would love to work at LS - Every day is different - you're not flying LBA-LHR 4-5 times a day like at BA. I grant that roster disruption may cause a few problems with life at home, but as I say, it makes everyday different, and not so 'Deja vu' like the others.

And Sean Dillion.... Just another disgruntled former employee...
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Old 8th May 2015, 13:46
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Sorry LSM I work to live. You seem to hang on the teat of jet2 to give you meaning. Sorry for wanting a life outside of work. But I think I know who most would consider pathetic.

And Jet2_738 if you ever have a family you will realise that any job is just that. The "variety" that jet2 give (Spain the canaries and the Greek Islands, variety, really?) wears very thin very quickly. Whether I fly to Alicante one day and TFS the next or 4 times LBA-LHR it's just a job. When your employer do their damnedest to disrupt your personal life you will see how quickly that "variety" wears thin.

If it was just me then I'd be the only one that has left. But I'm not am I. Not by a long shot.

And as a final example as to why I know I made the right choice. In flying hours wise I am working harder than ever. But I'm not even a tenth as knackered and I have a life outside of work. (Oh and the significant pay rise helped too)
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Old 8th May 2015, 13:53
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I hang on the teat..? No idea what you mean.

I also work to live and I'm about as far removed from the alternative as you can get. Having roster changes on a working day does not disrupt your life unless you are stupid enough to plan something on a working day. If you are not yet aware of the nature of the business then more fool you. If you think you won't get daily disruption elsewhere then you are utterly naive.

That notwithstanding why didn't you have the balls to refuse such an obviously fatiguing roster, it sounds like it happened more than once too. Too tired for a beer but not too tired to go flying? That's working to live isn't it?!

Remember you won't report for duty if you're unfit.
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Old 8th May 2015, 14:12
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Angry

Jet2 are very much a seasonal airline - very busy in summer, not so in winter. I am sure there are many pilots who do, and would love to work at LS - Every day is different - you're not flying LBA-LHR 4-5 times a day like at BA. I grant that roster disruption may cause a few problems with life at home, but as I say, it makes everyday different, and not so 'Deja vu' like the others.
Jet2_738: As nothing more than an enthusiast and someone who probably doesn't even work in this industry, your comments are irrelevant, pointless and lack any substance on the subject of any form of a professional pilots life.

Spandex: looking at your post history, are you not ex FlyBe? So in this age, Jet2 was your only chance of any sort of career advancement from a TP!? Desperate!

Been treated with respect in terms of how Jet2 treat my roster and ultimately my life, is what gorter is referring to, those in the 'Take me There' club, have generally yet to experience a 'quality' employer!
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Old 8th May 2015, 14:53
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Well there you go Seany, you don't know everything.

Enjoy the M25 rat race (if of course you really are going to BA). Been there done that.
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Old 8th May 2015, 15:32
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Angry

Oh well!

Are you going to the Falcons game in Salford tomorrow? Got a ticket if you want one, my son can't make it? Drop me a PM if interested.
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Old 8th May 2015, 16:50
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Are you going to the Falcons game in Salford tomorrow? Got a ticket if you want one, my son can't make it?
O no does your son work for Jet 2 and had his rostered changed
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Old 8th May 2015, 18:02
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Jet2_738: As nothing more than an enthusiast and someone who probably doesn't even work in this industry, your comments are irrelevant, pointless and lack any substance on the subject of any form of a professional pilots life.
Sean Dillon: As I say, you're nothing more than a former disgruntled employee, who doesn't like to know (or maybe cannot fully comprehend) that people actually enjoy working at Jet2...
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Old 8th May 2015, 18:14
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Rumour about Jet2.com to add Almeria (LEI) to its network next S16 from 1 of its bases in UK...
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Old 8th May 2015, 18:27
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O no does your son work for Jet 2 and had his rostered changed
Brilliant.....thanks for the laugh..........
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Old 9th May 2015, 08:11
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Lord Spandex, if you have a family where your partner works and you need to organise child care, transport to school, cubs/brownies etc.... Roster changes are an absolute nightmare! We are not talking an hour or twos change in report time, we are talking wholesale changes from earlies to lates or the other way around. Of course roster disruption occurs in every airline but not even close to the extent it occurs within Jet2. I personally don't have the luxury of keeping a whole duty day free of commitments outside work as I have a family life.
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Old 9th May 2015, 09:07
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Jet2 - 320, 7 on 2 off certainly isn't the norm. In fact I've never worked 7 on ever.

It also does not mean that you will only get 3 days off after 7 on either, in fact my roster currently goes 4 on, 3 off, 2 on, 2 off, 2 on, 3 off.

Budar, lates to earlies or vice versa sounds awfully fatiguing to me. ASR and don't accept which is easy as those kind of changes cannot happen on the day. However, if, like Gorter, you don't have the spine to stand up then suggest you become a stay at home hubby.
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Old 9th May 2015, 09:36
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Lord Spandex, you are a little presumptuous to accuse people of being spineless. Refuse wholesale changes I have done several times. My point is, a pilot/crew member should not be put under the pressure of refusing duties, at the end of the day we are all in it to make the company a success.
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Old 9th May 2015, 09:45
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I thought your point was rearranging child care because of roster disruption.

If you've refused those changes in the past keep doing so.

Sorry, too stressful and I won't be able to concentrate on flight safety.
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