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S17 summary
Any major changes at this stage are unlikely, so I shall do my usual summary. Hopefully this year SOU will finally cross the 2m passenger mark it has sat below for so long. Flybe seem to have upped a lot of their core routes, and many of the leisure routes seem to be less 'peaky', operating at high frequencies for longer in the season. Eastern are slightly down on last summer capacity wise although Aer Lingus Regional, Aurigny and Volotea all have more capacity than last year.
Aer Lingus Regional
Cork - 5-6 weekly AT7
Aurigny Air Services
Alderney - 22-44 weekly D28 (35 weekly for most of the peak summer outside Alderney week)
BMI Regional
Munich - 12 weekly ER3/4
Eastern Airways
Aberdeen - 9 weekly S20 (via LBA)
Leeds/Bradford - 17 weekly S20
Rodez (New!) - 2 weekly S20 (From 02/06)
Flybe
Aberdeen (New!) - 2 weekly Q400 (From 28/05)
Alicante - 5 weekly E95
Amsterdam - 30 weekly Q400
Avignon - 2-4 weekly Q400
Bastia - 1 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 20 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 8 weekly Q400
Biarritz - 3 weekly Q400
Bordeaux - 5 weekly Q400
Brest - 1-2 weekly Q400
Dublin - 21 weekly Q400
Dusseldorf - 6 weekly Q400
East Midlands (New!) 1 weekly Q400 (From 27/05)
Edinburgh - 37 weekly Q400
Exeter (New!) 1 weekly Q400 (From 27/05)
Faro - 3 weekly E95
Glasgow - 39 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 29 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 34 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
La Rochelle - 5-7 weekly Q400
Limoges - 6 weekly Q400
Lyon - 4-7 weekly Q400
Malaga - 4 weekly E95
Manchester - 32 weekly Q400/E95
Nantes - 7 weekly Q400
Newcastle - 25 weekly Q400
Palma - 3 weekly E95/Q400
Paris CDG - 12 weekly Q400
Perpignan - 1 weekly Q400
Rennes - 3-7 weekly Q400
Toulon - 4 weekly Q400
Verona - 3 weekly Q400
KLM Cityhopper
Amsterdam - 7-12 weekly F70/E75
Thomas Cook
Alicante*
Faro*
Ibiza* (New!)
Malaga*
Palma*
Verona*
*Package Holidays using scheduled Flybe/Volotea flights
Thomson
Palma^
Ibiza^ (New!)
^Selling packages on Volotea flights
Volotea
Ibiza (New!) - 1 weekly 712 (From 25/05)
Palma - 4 weekly 319/712
432-480 weekly departures
357-369 weekly Flybe departures
75-91 weekly other departures
62-69 daily departures
Aer Lingus Regional
Cork - 5-6 weekly AT7
Aurigny Air Services
Alderney - 22-44 weekly D28 (35 weekly for most of the peak summer outside Alderney week)
BMI Regional
Munich - 12 weekly ER3/4
Eastern Airways
Aberdeen - 9 weekly S20 (via LBA)
Leeds/Bradford - 17 weekly S20
Rodez (New!) - 2 weekly S20 (From 02/06)
Flybe
Aberdeen (New!) - 2 weekly Q400 (From 28/05)
Alicante - 5 weekly E95
Amsterdam - 30 weekly Q400
Avignon - 2-4 weekly Q400
Bastia - 1 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 20 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 8 weekly Q400
Biarritz - 3 weekly Q400
Bordeaux - 5 weekly Q400
Brest - 1-2 weekly Q400
Dublin - 21 weekly Q400
Dusseldorf - 6 weekly Q400
East Midlands (New!) 1 weekly Q400 (From 27/05)
Edinburgh - 37 weekly Q400
Exeter (New!) 1 weekly Q400 (From 27/05)
Faro - 3 weekly E95
Glasgow - 39 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 29 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 34 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
La Rochelle - 5-7 weekly Q400
Limoges - 6 weekly Q400
Lyon - 4-7 weekly Q400
Malaga - 4 weekly E95
Manchester - 32 weekly Q400/E95
Nantes - 7 weekly Q400
Newcastle - 25 weekly Q400
Palma - 3 weekly E95/Q400
Paris CDG - 12 weekly Q400
Perpignan - 1 weekly Q400
Rennes - 3-7 weekly Q400
Toulon - 4 weekly Q400
Verona - 3 weekly Q400
KLM Cityhopper
Amsterdam - 7-12 weekly F70/E75
Thomas Cook
Alicante*
Faro*
Ibiza* (New!)
Malaga*
Palma*
Verona*
*Package Holidays using scheduled Flybe/Volotea flights
Thomson
Palma^
Ibiza^ (New!)
^Selling packages on Volotea flights
Volotea
Ibiza (New!) - 1 weekly 712 (From 25/05)
Palma - 4 weekly 319/712
432-480 weekly departures
357-369 weekly Flybe departures
75-91 weekly other departures
62-69 daily departures
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Volotea
Ibiza (New!) - 1 weekly 712 (From 25/05)
Palma - 4 weekly 319
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Excellent summary. My only observation is that my flights in June on Volotea to Palma show a B717 seat map at the moment.
Ibiza (New!) - 1 weekly 712 (From 25/05)
Palma - 4 weekly 319
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Excellent summary. My only observation is that my flights in June on Volotea to Palma show a B717 seat map at the moment.
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1st airport in UK to trial Remote Towers?
Consider the 2 news items from the past week and think about the possible outcome!
Planes in and out of Southampton Airport have been disrupted because of air traffic controller illness.
Flights had to be halted for three 30-minute periods so staff in the control tower could comply with rest breaks despite the shortages.
One passenger complained his plane was delayed by 90 minutes.
The National Air Traffic Services (Nats) apologised for the inconvenience but warned there would be a similar situation on Sunday.
'Hot and bothered'
Nats said "staff sickness" had caused the issues in Southampton's air traffic control tower.
A Nats spokesman added: "To ensure we complied fully with the safety regulations around controller rest breaks, this resulted in a stop to inbound and outbound flights for three short periods of time."
Brian Fearn, who is travelling to Malaga, said: "[There are] 150 very frustrated hot and bothered passengers on Flybe destined for Malaga are still on the ground 1.5 hours after scheduled departure with no news when we can get off or get away."
The Nats spokesman said: "We worked with the airport to ensure we kept the disruption to a minimum."
http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2017/03/saab-to-deliver-nats-remote-tower-demonstrator/
SOU could just be the first UK airport with Remote Tower back up (not counting the Heathrow back up tower)
FF
Planes in and out of Southampton Airport have been disrupted because of air traffic controller illness.
Flights had to be halted for three 30-minute periods so staff in the control tower could comply with rest breaks despite the shortages.
One passenger complained his plane was delayed by 90 minutes.
The National Air Traffic Services (Nats) apologised for the inconvenience but warned there would be a similar situation on Sunday.
'Hot and bothered'
Nats said "staff sickness" had caused the issues in Southampton's air traffic control tower.
A Nats spokesman added: "To ensure we complied fully with the safety regulations around controller rest breaks, this resulted in a stop to inbound and outbound flights for three short periods of time."
Brian Fearn, who is travelling to Malaga, said: "[There are] 150 very frustrated hot and bothered passengers on Flybe destined for Malaga are still on the ground 1.5 hours after scheduled departure with no news when we can get off or get away."
The Nats spokesman said: "We worked with the airport to ensure we kept the disruption to a minimum."
http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2017/03/saab-to-deliver-nats-remote-tower-demonstrator/
SOU could just be the first UK airport with Remote Tower back up (not counting the Heathrow back up tower)
FF
"Planes in and out of Southampton Airport have been disrupted because of air traffic controller illness."
A problem that has been building over the past few years, airport operator puts pressure on NATS to reduce contract costs, with the hint of finding someone cheaper if they don't.
One of the few ways that this can be done to have any significant cost impact is to reduce staffing. NATS only option is to cut back number of ATCOs thereby reducing contingency for staff sickness cover, ATCOs go sick, NATS have to withdraw service to accommodate their legally required 30 minute breaks.
Who's fault is it?
A problem that has been building over the past few years, airport operator puts pressure on NATS to reduce contract costs, with the hint of finding someone cheaper if they don't.
One of the few ways that this can be done to have any significant cost impact is to reduce staffing. NATS only option is to cut back number of ATCOs thereby reducing contingency for staff sickness cover, ATCOs go sick, NATS have to withdraw service to accommodate their legally required 30 minute breaks.
Who's fault is it?
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Its not about fault, its about market: passengers go for lowest fares, airlines cut costs, aiports respond by cutting costs, pressure on airport suppliers to cut costs, ANSP has only three options, reduce staff, automate more, or exit the business: NATS is out of LGW, BHX and soon EDI, they left BOH years ago. Automation is a realistic direction to stay in the airporg market.
150 hot and bothered passengers won't fit in the 118 seat E195 anyway
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Another day, 7 q400s circling, 100s of people just wanting to get home and SOU rendered useless because of some fog. Any sign of investment? Of course not, sod the customers, investment will eat into the dividends. Can't see SOU ever breaking the 2mil mark with this shoddy management in charge.
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Another day, 7 q400s circling, 100s of people just wanting to get home and SOU rendered useless because of some fog. Any sign of investment? Of course not, sod the customers, investment will eat into the dividends. Can't see SOU ever breaking the 2mil mark with this shoddy management in charge.
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Another day, 7 q400s circling, 100s of people just wanting to get home and SOU rendered useless because of some fog. Any sign of investment? Of course not, sod the customers, investment will eat into the dividends. Can't see SOU ever breaking the 2mil mark with this shoddy management in charge.
Predictable.For information there's been 5 diverts from CWL to BRS due to fog this evening.
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Jan '17 CAA Stats
Looks like a good month, passengers up 16% to 125,181. Have done brief calculations for a few routes. Have based the sun routes on being all E195, but quite sure a few flights have been on the E175 so loads in reality may be a little better.
Lyon - 34 pax / 44% loads
Paris CDG - 34 pax / 43% loads
Dusseldorf - 44 pax / 56% loads (Up 37% on last year)
Munich - 51 pax per day (Not good considering the capacity on the route over the winter)
Cork - 25 pax / 34% loads (Seems to be a one off based on how this has done previously)
Amsterdam - 239 pax per day (Ahead of MAN, EDI and GLA to be the airports busiest route!)
Faro - 42 pax / 36% loads (Up 53% on last year though!)
Alicante - 79 pax / 67% loads (Up 64% on last year)
Malaga - 57 pax / 48% loads (Up 151% on last year!)
Lyon - 34 pax / 44% loads
Paris CDG - 34 pax / 43% loads
Dusseldorf - 44 pax / 56% loads (Up 37% on last year)
Munich - 51 pax per day (Not good considering the capacity on the route over the winter)
Cork - 25 pax / 34% loads (Seems to be a one off based on how this has done previously)
Amsterdam - 239 pax per day (Ahead of MAN, EDI and GLA to be the airports busiest route!)
Faro - 42 pax / 36% loads (Up 53% on last year though!)
Alicante - 79 pax / 67% loads (Up 64% on last year)
Malaga - 57 pax / 48% loads (Up 151% on last year!)
4 Dashes each to BHX and EXT by the looks. Going to be a late night and a late-running morning at SOU tomorrow.
It's a great pity (as SOU is a great airport to fly from 99% of the time) but nowhere near as simple as saying it could all be fixed by investment.
It's a great pity (as SOU is a great airport to fly from 99% of the time) but nowhere near as simple as saying it could all be fixed by investment.
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Of course investment wouldn't fix the problem completely, it would ease it though. The fact is there hasn't been any significant investment airside since the place opened. winding up in EXT or BHX at this time of night can't be much fun. Might as well have flown to LHR or LGW, least they can bloody stay open.
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This might explain some of the what are obviously positioning flights (that are being sold) to the likes of ABZ, EMA an EXT on weekends this coming summer?
By which I mean are they moving more a/c through SOU to operate some of the summer schedule.
By which I mean are they moving more a/c through SOU to operate some of the summer schedule.