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I think as much LVPs as icing. It's been bad all week with many cancellations, go-arounds and diversions, and the fog hanging round all day. I believe a Flybe afternoon flight yesterday from Edinburgh was airborne for three hours, extensive holding, two approaches, and eventually diverted to Southampton.
I just added this for balance really - if true here is another side to the Southampton coin.
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A320Neo
Do the A320Neo's have better performance when it comes to departure?, since they have bigger engines... If they do, I wonder if an airline, will use that to operate out of SOU. Potentially Lufthansa to expand some German routes out of Southampton or maybe even Alitalia to Italy. (Not sure if Alitalia have any on order).
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I can't see that there would be demand for the neo320 capacity to German destinations from Southampton. The only case for 320 operation is Sun routes as in the past,however runway restrictions are not favourable for economic operation.In addition stand space is a ongoing issue.
Dash 8 400 and E145 seem the practical plane to Europe cities from SOU.
I can't see that there would be demand for the neo320 capacity to German destinations from Southampton. The only case for 320 operation is Sun routes as in the past,however runway restrictions are not favourable for economic operation.In addition stand space is a ongoing issue.
Dash 8 400 and E145 seem the practical plane to Europe cities from SOU.
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While this is pure speculation, I couldn't help but notice the comments in the BA Cityflyer thread about the CS100 having a 2200NM range with full pax +bags from LCY. That sort of range would open up a large range of destinations from SOU. I wonder how much worse the CS300 would be, as that seems to be the model that would appeal more to LCC's?
In more relevant news, Flybe have updated their timetable with the sun route increases and also now have AMS showing 5x daily into the summer as well. However, 3 departures within 2 hours (13:35, 14:25, 15:25) suggests it perhaps needs a little further tweaking... ORY ends at the end of March as posted on here, with the increase to 2x daily on the CDG route only partly compensating for the lost capacity. No other notable changes, but it is good to see MAN, EDI and GLA will be operating 6x daily for the first time in quite a few years.
In more relevant news, Flybe have updated their timetable with the sun route increases and also now have AMS showing 5x daily into the summer as well. However, 3 departures within 2 hours (13:35, 14:25, 15:25) suggests it perhaps needs a little further tweaking... ORY ends at the end of March as posted on here, with the increase to 2x daily on the CDG route only partly compensating for the lost capacity. No other notable changes, but it is good to see MAN, EDI and GLA will be operating 6x daily for the first time in quite a few years.
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Although it's good news on the flight increases for Amsterdam,I can see this as a squeezing KLM plight,It's a shame we are not seeing a frequency increase with them,let's hope they up there capacity in the future.
Although it's good news on the flight increases for Amsterdam,I can see this as a squeezing KLM plight,It's a shame we are not seeing a frequency increase with them,let's hope they up there capacity in the future.
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BE AMS
This sums up why BE are such a nasty little airline. AMS should not warrant more than a 3 daily rotation for them, especially now KLM operate two a day. They have effectively reduced the Paris route by 50% (a route they have a monopoly on and is just as attractive for connections) to pile on unnecessary capacity to try and bully KLM off their patch. If anyone wants to question why BE is not good for SOU read this post. A small minded little airline who are standing in the way of SOU flourishing.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head with that, Rivet Joint. Hopefully KLM will respond by creating a 3rd flight at lunchtime/mid-day, although it could be over compensating the route. Just noticed the KLM E175 go over (PH-EXI). Increased capacity on the flights maybe?..
BE are such a nasty little airline
Were there many complaints when KLM muscled in on BE's route?
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SOU needs KLM more than BEE of the AMS route. The ability to connect through AMS to the world far out ways provision of a service for AMS terminating PAX. What SOU now needs is DLH to FRA to complement AMS and CDG connections.
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For goodness sake, when will this thread attract professionals with an understanding of airline business rather than the waffle of individuals like Rivetjoint.
Flybe are doing nothing different to other airlines. If pax prefer KLM then Flybe will realise and reduce capacity. If pax use the Flybe service to the detriment of KLM, then either KLM need to up their game or pax simply prefer what they are familiar with.
As a comparison this is no different to Jet2 at BHX opening the same routes than Monarch and Ryanair, or Easyjet and Ryanair at LTN, or Wizz deciding LTN needs a fourth carrier on the Tel aviv route. Or, heaven forbid KLM starting a service that Flybe already offered out of Southampton.
I appreciate some people dont like Flybe regardless. But without them SOU wouldn't be as busy as it is today. Personal opinion should sit at private conversation, professional conversation ideal for the wider forum that is Pprune.
Flybe are doing nothing different to other airlines. If pax prefer KLM then Flybe will realise and reduce capacity. If pax use the Flybe service to the detriment of KLM, then either KLM need to up their game or pax simply prefer what they are familiar with.
As a comparison this is no different to Jet2 at BHX opening the same routes than Monarch and Ryanair, or Easyjet and Ryanair at LTN, or Wizz deciding LTN needs a fourth carrier on the Tel aviv route. Or, heaven forbid KLM starting a service that Flybe already offered out of Southampton.
I appreciate some people dont like Flybe regardless. But without them SOU wouldn't be as busy as it is today. Personal opinion should sit at private conversation, professional conversation ideal for the wider forum that is Pprune.