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Why doesn't BHX promote itself advertising on TV, billboards, taxis etc? Before someone says costs you have to speculate to accumulate. EK have got a great ad on tv at the moment feature Australia from various airports. Guess what BHX is even featured. Perhaps TK should start promoting BHX?
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Ryanair 2012
Alicante – DAILY
Bratislava – TUE, THU, SAT
Bydgoszcz – TUE, THU, SAT
Dublin – 3X DAILY (2X SUN)
Faro – TUE, THU, SAT
Fuerteventura – MON, FRI
Gdansk – TUE, SAT
Gerona – MON, WED, FRI, SUN
Gran Canaria – WED, SUN
Ibiza – TUE, THU, SUN
Katowice – MON, WED, FRI
Kaunas – WED, SUN
Lanzarote – MON, WED, FRI
Londonderry – MON, WED, FRI, SUN
Malaga – DAILY
Malta – MON, FRI
Montpellier – MON, FRI
Murcia – MON, TUE, THU, SAT
Palma – TUE, WED, THU, SAT, SUN
Reus – WED, FRI, SUN
Rzeszow – WED, SUN
Tenerife – TUE, THUR, SAT
Trieste – THU, SUN
90 Weekly Arrivals and Departures for 2012, Still the Odd gap or 2
Bratislava – TUE, THU, SAT
Bydgoszcz – TUE, THU, SAT
Dublin – 3X DAILY (2X SUN)
Faro – TUE, THU, SAT
Fuerteventura – MON, FRI
Gdansk – TUE, SAT
Gerona – MON, WED, FRI, SUN
Gran Canaria – WED, SUN
Ibiza – TUE, THU, SUN
Katowice – MON, WED, FRI
Kaunas – WED, SUN
Lanzarote – MON, WED, FRI
Londonderry – MON, WED, FRI, SUN
Malaga – DAILY
Malta – MON, FRI
Montpellier – MON, FRI
Murcia – MON, TUE, THU, SAT
Palma – TUE, WED, THU, SAT, SUN
Reus – WED, FRI, SUN
Rzeszow – WED, SUN
Tenerife – TUE, THUR, SAT
Trieste – THU, SUN
90 Weekly Arrivals and Departures for 2012, Still the Odd gap or 2
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The New Year is bringing some hope for BHX. With the increases announced earlier by Monarch, Lufthansa and BMIbaby and even more recently Turkish Airlines to IST, it seems odd that Easyjet's association with BHX has not progressed.
They clearly must be happy with BHX as can be seen that on some Saturdays they have three rotations to Geneva. But as to any other development, particularly a summer programme, they remains zilch.
Is there any likelihood in the future??? Does anyone have any idea????
They clearly must be happy with BHX as can be seen that on some Saturdays they have three rotations to Geneva. But as to any other development, particularly a summer programme, they remains zilch.
Is there any likelihood in the future??? Does anyone have any idea????
Monty Gordo:
Regarding EasyJet, to paraphrase an American president (Clinton I believe) "It's the economy, stupid".
Geneva in the winter is a no-brainer - being the "Palma" of the wintersports season. If you can't fill seats to GVA between December and March you're probably doing something badly wrong. Generally, however EZY will look to set up bases capable of sustaining 5+ aircraft, but exactly how could they utilise them proftably from an airport that already has three low cost carriers (MON, WW and FR) extensively serving the bucket and spade brigade, plus a thriving IT sector. That leaves them fighting the European makors that do an excellent job feeding much of Europe through excellent hubs, and by the time you've added on all their eroneous hidden charges, the EasyJets of this world often aren't actually that competitive fareswise against Swiss, Lufthansa, KLM etc.
You can (and probably will) say, well if that's the case, how do they make a success of Manchester? In my opinion this is down to the ease of access from Birmingham and East / South Midlands to the two major LoCo hubs of Stansted and Luton - both of which can be reached by road in less than 2 hours making them attractive points of departure for Midlanders, who, unlike the enthusiast has little interest on flying locally, but more in the available fare. I think, by contrast, nobody in their right mind would want to drive from Greater Manchester to either London Airport to start their holiday.
All this combines to make EZY ask themselves, whether they will actually increase their profits by opening a base in Birmingham at this time of economic uncertainty. If and when the economy recovers then I would expect the business case for BHX to become stronger, but we shall have to wait a while for that time, and by then, those carriers that are embedded in Birmingham may have expanded themselves to make BHX an unatractive for place for EZY to set us a base.
Regarding EasyJet, to paraphrase an American president (Clinton I believe) "It's the economy, stupid".
Geneva in the winter is a no-brainer - being the "Palma" of the wintersports season. If you can't fill seats to GVA between December and March you're probably doing something badly wrong. Generally, however EZY will look to set up bases capable of sustaining 5+ aircraft, but exactly how could they utilise them proftably from an airport that already has three low cost carriers (MON, WW and FR) extensively serving the bucket and spade brigade, plus a thriving IT sector. That leaves them fighting the European makors that do an excellent job feeding much of Europe through excellent hubs, and by the time you've added on all their eroneous hidden charges, the EasyJets of this world often aren't actually that competitive fareswise against Swiss, Lufthansa, KLM etc.
You can (and probably will) say, well if that's the case, how do they make a success of Manchester? In my opinion this is down to the ease of access from Birmingham and East / South Midlands to the two major LoCo hubs of Stansted and Luton - both of which can be reached by road in less than 2 hours making them attractive points of departure for Midlanders, who, unlike the enthusiast has little interest on flying locally, but more in the available fare. I think, by contrast, nobody in their right mind would want to drive from Greater Manchester to either London Airport to start their holiday.
All this combines to make EZY ask themselves, whether they will actually increase their profits by opening a base in Birmingham at this time of economic uncertainty. If and when the economy recovers then I would expect the business case for BHX to become stronger, but we shall have to wait a while for that time, and by then, those carriers that are embedded in Birmingham may have expanded themselves to make BHX an unatractive for place for EZY to set us a base.
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No-brainer!
I take your point about the economies of setting up a base. But that is not how Easy currently service BHX, it is serviced by away-based aircraft. And that is my point, if they can do so well with 'no brainer' Geneva in the winter, then why can't they also service some of the 'no brainer' summer destinations - again with away-based aircraft?
I take your point about the economies of setting up a base. But that is not how Easy currently service BHX, it is serviced by away-based aircraft. And that is my point, if they can do so well with 'no brainer' Geneva in the winter, then why can't they also service some of the 'no brainer' summer destinations - again with away-based aircraft?
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Simoncorbett, re Fed Ex,
Believe they are ending their prop services into the UK which explains there decision to go to jets via other cities.
If they are expanding its core BHX parcel service on top of this thats even better news
Nigel
Believe they are ending their prop services into the UK which explains there decision to go to jets via other cities.
If they are expanding its core BHX parcel service on top of this thats even better news
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2012 looking good so far;
- Bmibaby launching Rome, Lisbon and Barcelona
- Monarch launching Rome, Milan, Venice, Dubrovnik and Heraklion
- Lufthansa launching Berlin
- Turkish going x8 weekly
- Runway extension going ahead
- Slight capacity increase from Air Transat going all A330 for the summer season
- Thomson re-introducing Punta Cana for the Winter 12/13 season
As well as;
- Flybe possibly taking on Waterford
- Rumours of Aer Lingus launching Belfast
- Good chance of Emirates going x3 daily
On the downside you've got Air France/Brit Air dropping Lyon but on a whole not a bad start for the new year.
- Bmibaby launching Rome, Lisbon and Barcelona
- Monarch launching Rome, Milan, Venice, Dubrovnik and Heraklion
- Lufthansa launching Berlin
- Turkish going x8 weekly
- Runway extension going ahead
- Slight capacity increase from Air Transat going all A330 for the summer season
- Thomson re-introducing Punta Cana for the Winter 12/13 season
As well as;
- Flybe possibly taking on Waterford
- Rumours of Aer Lingus launching Belfast
- Good chance of Emirates going x3 daily
On the downside you've got Air France/Brit Air dropping Lyon but on a whole not a bad start for the new year.
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On the downside you've got Air France/Brit Air dropping Lyon but on a whole not a bad start for the new year
Is this definitely the case? Only today i have been looking for flights from BHX to TLS in june and the search engines have a host of connections using the BZH flight via LYS. Don't forget this is not just a point to point destination as i have also had the option of connecting in Lyon in the past , once when searching for BHX-BRU i kid you not!
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Lyon
As I understand it the report was not 100% accurate.
Lyon to BHX, HAM & PRG were/are under review and not cancelled.
However as we know "under review" is hardly a ringing endorsement
but the route is still bookable but I suppose could be cancelled at the
drop of a hat with reservations transferred to CDG.
As I have said before the aircraft is a CRJ1 and they have been leaving
Brit Air fleet and it was only a matter of time before it became "under review"
Double daily is CRJ7 is not really ideal for a service that averages 35 pax
but there are options non-more so than AF's "partner" flybe perhaps
single daily although that will depend on the dynamics of the route itself
as getonittt has stated it is used for transfers and single daily flights do not always work.
easyjet
I am surprised they did not try more routes with away based aircraft as suggested and I believe that they were considered at one point a few years back (Madrid, Berlin). The spin about the size of bases has been less than reliable. East Mids & Dortmund were closed stating that they were too small with 2-3 aircraft. How many based at Newcastle and will be at Southend?
Pete
Lyon to BHX, HAM & PRG were/are under review and not cancelled.
However as we know "under review" is hardly a ringing endorsement
but the route is still bookable but I suppose could be cancelled at the
drop of a hat with reservations transferred to CDG.
As I have said before the aircraft is a CRJ1 and they have been leaving
Brit Air fleet and it was only a matter of time before it became "under review"
Double daily is CRJ7 is not really ideal for a service that averages 35 pax
but there are options non-more so than AF's "partner" flybe perhaps
single daily although that will depend on the dynamics of the route itself
as getonittt has stated it is used for transfers and single daily flights do not always work.
easyjet
I am surprised they did not try more routes with away based aircraft as suggested and I believe that they were considered at one point a few years back (Madrid, Berlin). The spin about the size of bases has been less than reliable. East Mids & Dortmund were closed stating that they were too small with 2-3 aircraft. How many based at Newcastle and will be at Southend?
Pete
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TSR2; yes but that's Jet2!!!!
Ryanair have bases with 1 aircraft, EMA closed as it was loss making and the brand was late to the airport amidst huge competition.
Dortmund, was breaking any delph and for Easyjet this coupled with the restrictions such as the time the airport closes at each night make it unattractive, but the profitable routes were maintained but served by aircraft from other bases.
Easyjet are trying to avoid competition from other loco's and this makes sense, their strategy is 'low fares from convenient airports', this is evident at LGW, but you could intrepret this to mean 'flights from hub airports, where most other LOCO's wont go or cant go, where we can compete with legacy carriers, charge above our network average fares, yet be alot cheaper than the BA's, AZ's, AF's etc of this world and in the mean time attract the business traveller with good frequency'.
This is my take on it and to be fair setting up at BHX a base, as much as it would be great, the competition could join them on pretty much any route and wheres the potential for growing profit there'. Probably makes commercial sense in terms of their strategy.
EI-BUD
Ryanair have bases with 1 aircraft, EMA closed as it was loss making and the brand was late to the airport amidst huge competition.
Dortmund, was breaking any delph and for Easyjet this coupled with the restrictions such as the time the airport closes at each night make it unattractive, but the profitable routes were maintained but served by aircraft from other bases.
Easyjet are trying to avoid competition from other loco's and this makes sense, their strategy is 'low fares from convenient airports', this is evident at LGW, but you could intrepret this to mean 'flights from hub airports, where most other LOCO's wont go or cant go, where we can compete with legacy carriers, charge above our network average fares, yet be alot cheaper than the BA's, AZ's, AF's etc of this world and in the mean time attract the business traveller with good frequency'.
This is my take on it and to be fair setting up at BHX a base, as much as it would be great, the competition could join them on pretty much any route and wheres the potential for growing profit there'. Probably makes commercial sense in terms of their strategy.
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You can (and probably will) say, well if that's the case, how do they make a success of Manchester? In my opinion this is down to the ease of access from Birmingham and East / South Midlands to the two major LoCo hubs of Stansted and Luton - both of which can be reached by road in less than 2 hours making them attractive points of departure for Midlanders, who, unlike the enthusiast has little interest on flying locally, but more in the available fare.
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Surely the catctment areas for MAN and LPL overlap a considerable amount? EZY seem to have made a success of both of these bases and at MAN there is considerably more competition that there would be at BHX. Off the top of my head I can think of a number of unserved routes (Madrid, Valencia, Pisa, Verona, Stockholm, Cologne, Geneva, Athens) that I would love someone like EZY or Jet2 to come in and have a go at. I wonder if these parties are keeping an eye on what happens with bmibaby?
chinapattern
You're right, but the Merseyside and Greater Manchester conurbations are combined, much larger than the West Midlands, even if you define the West Midlands as the old metropolitan county, that encompassed Coventry to the south (barely an hour from Luton) and Wolverhampton to the northwest (barely an hour from Manchester). Added to that there are some sad souls that will brave the M62 to get to Manchester from Leeds and Bradford.
None of this make the case for BHX not existing, but it does make carriers in the "pile it high and sell it cheap" market think twice before joining an already comparatively crowded market in Birmingham.
BHX's big scoring points are the NEC and ICC, which draw business travellers to the city, and as a result makes the airport attractive for legacy carriers, and TK's commitment to BHX testifies to that, along with existing ccarriers, such as LH, EK, KL etc etc.
You're right, but the Merseyside and Greater Manchester conurbations are combined, much larger than the West Midlands, even if you define the West Midlands as the old metropolitan county, that encompassed Coventry to the south (barely an hour from Luton) and Wolverhampton to the northwest (barely an hour from Manchester). Added to that there are some sad souls that will brave the M62 to get to Manchester from Leeds and Bradford.
None of this make the case for BHX not existing, but it does make carriers in the "pile it high and sell it cheap" market think twice before joining an already comparatively crowded market in Birmingham.
BHX's big scoring points are the NEC and ICC, which draw business travellers to the city, and as a result makes the airport attractive for legacy carriers, and TK's commitment to BHX testifies to that, along with existing ccarriers, such as LH, EK, KL etc etc.
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Having recently rekindled the question of EZY and BHX, and having regard and respect for all the posts made, I return to the original point -- not for EZY to establish a base in Brum but to service it from bases on the continent. In this way the likes of Verona, Stockholm, Cologne, Athens, Valencia, Pisa, Madrid and others can be serviced. For EZY, like winter routes to Geneva and Grenoble, there is the ability to develop routes 'without' the need for a base. After all is said and done, Ryanair do it, ie FAO for example.
Forgive me if some of the cities mentioned are not EZY bases...
Forgive me if some of the cities mentioned are not EZY bases...