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I believe CO operates New York- Berlin using 757s and that's a bigger distance that BHX-ORD, and besides we're not talking a huge amount of extra miles when comparing distances from ORD to BHX and MAN.
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Their 767-300s Trans Atlantic are all 3 class with first class,business premium and just 80 economy seats,way to many top end for BHX.Current CO/UA 757s to EWR only have 12 up front the rest economy.
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Whilst I appreciate that it is the start of the Winter season, it looks as if it will be a bleak winter for BHX and its resident airlines, last week we have had an FR departing with just 1 pax, a few ZB's with single figures and more than usual TOM positioning flights.
it will be interesting to see Olton Petes stats for Oct, IMO one or two airlines may be hard pressed to survive, as most economists are predicting that 2012 is going to see the worst of the recession.
Even the "staycations" are suffering as a large caravan dealership went into receivership last week, so people just do not have the money for overseas travel/holidays ??
it will be interesting to see Olton Petes stats for Oct, IMO one or two airlines may be hard pressed to survive, as most economists are predicting that 2012 is going to see the worst of the recession.
Even the "staycations" are suffering as a large caravan dealership went into receivership last week, so people just do not have the money for overseas travel/holidays ??
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We are not in a recession anymore!
Many airlines on the last flight of the season will have low pax numbers on the way out but high on the return, esp with the school holidays. Alot from BHX went out with 0-30pax each but rnt with 180-189.
The cost of a new caravan cost much more a week away in the sun. And I know which one I would rather have.
Its people like yourself who put doom and gloom in the media. Why can you not look on the blight side.
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Many airlines on the last flight of the season will have low pax numbers on the way out but high on the return, esp with the school holidays. Alot from BHX went out with 0-30pax each but rnt with 180-189.
The cost of a new caravan cost much more a week away in the sun. And I know which one I would rather have.
Its people like yourself who put doom and gloom in the media. Why can you not look on the blight side.
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dionysius, all routes that are coming to an end for the summer would be leaving with single figure pax on them. Just as when they start next summer the first inbounds will be all but empty too. It happens every year and not just at BHX....
Low PAX figures
Totally agree, the airline i work for operates plenty of routes only in the summer/winter meaning flights will go out empty or with a very sparse load Outbound and full inbound on routes ending for the season and vice versa for new routes beginning.
Completely normal operation and it does in no way reflect on the airport operated from.
Completely normal operation and it does in no way reflect on the airport operated from.
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dionysius
Much the same as everyone else has said, no panic really although it is
going to be a quiet winter but look at the routes that are seasonal and
have just ended:-
Monarch - LEI, MAH, IBZ, PMI, BJV, DLM & PFO
Ryanair - MPL, REU, PMI, IBZ, MJV, & TRS
BMI Baby - PMI, MJV, FAO & NCE
flybe - EGC, BOD, BES, TLS, AVN & DBV.
I know some of these ended in September and the passenger figures for that month were a little poor but the core business routes seem to be holding up.
Pete
Much the same as everyone else has said, no panic really although it is
going to be a quiet winter but look at the routes that are seasonal and
have just ended:-
Monarch - LEI, MAH, IBZ, PMI, BJV, DLM & PFO
Ryanair - MPL, REU, PMI, IBZ, MJV, & TRS
BMI Baby - PMI, MJV, FAO & NCE
flybe - EGC, BOD, BES, TLS, AVN & DBV.
I know some of these ended in September and the passenger figures for that month were a little poor but the core business routes seem to be holding up.
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I'm no expert, but what would be the practicalities of QR launching a route such as DOH-WAW-BHX or perhaps even DOH-BHX-EDI? Would they be effective as an initial means of tapping into the market before launching direct flights?
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Nice idea chinapattern and I think China Eastern have done something similar by adding HAM to their PEK-FRA rotation, creating a HAM-FRA-PEK through flight. Sadly I don't think this would work for QR going from BHX as the majority of pax will be transiting DOH to go on somewhere else, which makes a (hypothetical example) BHX-WAW stop-DOH-SIN seem quite unattractive in terms of journey time compared to the single connection BHX-FRA/CDG/AMS/DXB-SIN or even BHX by road to LHR-SIN journey.
I personally think Scotland will be QR's next UK port of call (either EDI or GLA) they seem happy for Midlands traffic to route through either LHR or MAN. EK figures from BHX have also been suffering since the big increase in Middle Eastern flights from MAN so is it a case that there is simply not enough demand (at the moment) for a BHX-DOH aswell?
I personally think Scotland will be QR's next UK port of call (either EDI or GLA) they seem happy for Midlands traffic to route through either LHR or MAN. EK figures from BHX have also been suffering since the big increase in Middle Eastern flights from MAN so is it a case that there is simply not enough demand (at the moment) for a BHX-DOH aswell?
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Monarch announcement
It is here, two new aircraft and 5 new routes including Crete and Dubrovnik.
Monarch Airlines Announces Birmingham Expansion - Birmingham Airport
Monarch Airlines Announces Birmingham Expansion - Birmingham Airport
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We have been waiting a long time for good news on route development at Birmingham, so Monarch's announcement this morning does help to lift that gloom.
While there has been plenty of speculation that Monarch's plan was to introduce routes from other UK airports ie Bristol and Newcastle, the airline has decided to invest in those that it already serves. Given that speculation I am sure the management team at BHX has been proactive in playing its part in securing this decision - a decision which will help pax numbers and also provide much-needed jobs.
Speculation still surrounds the future of BMI-Baby, let's hope their plans for summer '12 and the new routes they plan also come to fruition.
I'm looking at a glass half-full.....
While there has been plenty of speculation that Monarch's plan was to introduce routes from other UK airports ie Bristol and Newcastle, the airline has decided to invest in those that it already serves. Given that speculation I am sure the management team at BHX has been proactive in playing its part in securing this decision - a decision which will help pax numbers and also provide much-needed jobs.
Speculation still surrounds the future of BMI-Baby, let's hope their plans for summer '12 and the new routes they plan also come to fruition.
I'm looking at a glass half-full.....
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Indeed great news although it would be nice to know BHX's input, although on the route selection you would have to guess very little.
Five routes but only one new destination in Venice. I like the idea of Rome but baby announced that a few months ago. Dubrovnik was tried at three weekly by flybe and they reduced it to weekly but are still operating it weekly in summer. Hopefully Monarch should be okay with this one as I assume it is a growing market.
Milan is one I would never have guessed but Heraklion is not surprising. The new routes certainly don't come anywhere near filling two aircraft and I assume the Palma frequency might revert to daily and LCA and DLM increased?
Madrid is possibly the only route I might have expected with the much vaunted tie-up with Air Europa and perhaps Pisa.
Pete
Indeed great news although it would be nice to know BHX's input, although on the route selection you would have to guess very little.
Five routes but only one new destination in Venice. I like the idea of Rome but baby announced that a few months ago. Dubrovnik was tried at three weekly by flybe and they reduced it to weekly but are still operating it weekly in summer. Hopefully Monarch should be okay with this one as I assume it is a growing market.
Milan is one I would never have guessed but Heraklion is not surprising. The new routes certainly don't come anywhere near filling two aircraft and I assume the Palma frequency might revert to daily and LCA and DLM increased?
Madrid is possibly the only route I might have expected with the much vaunted tie-up with Air Europa and perhaps Pisa.
Pete
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Nice to see Monarch expanding from Birmingham. I think that Birmingham will become it third largest base (Overatking Luton) if things keep up. Would actually like ZB to start Barcelona & Gibraltar from BHX that would be good. (Reason for Gibraltar is because ZB already do LTN & MAN and baby do EMA so i have a strong feeling that BHX will be next, plus EZY from LPL has done really well)
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For those who didn’t see it, the news about Monarch was the main headline on Midlands Today last night. Interestingly they mentioned talks between BHX and United about starting up ORD flights and noted how in the past 12 months BHX had lost nine routes but gained seven. I’m just trying to think what these routes are?
The “new” routes I’d guess are the bmibaby re-launches of Prague, Rome, Barcelona and Lisbon, Amritsar/Vienna, Venice and if they’re including charters there’s Boa Vista.
I can’t think what the nine lost routes are though – all I can come up with is Tehran which is coming back and Waterford which hasn’t actually gone yet. Unless they’re including Air Malta and Cyprus Airways dropping their flights. Did Ryanair axe a few?
The “new” routes I’d guess are the bmibaby re-launches of Prague, Rome, Barcelona and Lisbon, Amritsar/Vienna, Venice and if they’re including charters there’s Boa Vista.
I can’t think what the nine lost routes are though – all I can come up with is Tehran which is coming back and Waterford which hasn’t actually gone yet. Unless they’re including Air Malta and Cyprus Airways dropping their flights. Did Ryanair axe a few?
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Great news at last for BHX, any expansion of flights must be welcomed even if most of it is on routes already served (and lets not forget this good news could be tempered by the fact that BE have yet to release any French flights for 2012 apart from a weekly AVN, which would be a net loss in destinations if these do not come back)......I am hoping there might be more from ZB to come and that the gaps in schedules are not simply going to be increased frequencies on existing schedules, surely they must be looking at MAD? BER would be great too - Jet2 are going to launch this from LBA so why not ZB from BHX? There are many other well documented gaps in the BHX network, the heartening thing about this announcement is that city routes are included which is exactly where BHX is lacking. With no new routes from FR and BE for 2012 and with WW's future still very much anyones game, could it be ZB that help to bring BHX out of the desperate mire it has been in for a few years?
In a perfect world for summer 2012 ZB additionally announce Berlin, Stockholm, Seville, Gibraltar and Warsaw, BE do continue with regional French flights, UA fly in from Chicago, QR start to give EK a run for their money and AI get back on ATQ/DEL......well there's nothing wrong with dreaming!
In a perfect world for summer 2012 ZB additionally announce Berlin, Stockholm, Seville, Gibraltar and Warsaw, BE do continue with regional French flights, UA fly in from Chicago, QR start to give EK a run for their money and AI get back on ATQ/DEL......well there's nothing wrong with dreaming!