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Whatever the "real" average fare was for 1990 in discounted terms in todays money it is still huge. A quick google search will reveal that wages were incredibly low for the average punter.
Until they solve the problem of Ireland being stuck on an Island then a lack of competition will inevitably result in the fare paying public being at the mercy of FR and the like should a monopoly be allowed to occur.
In present day terms you can see examples of what a monopoly might look like. Flights for the Euro championships priced sky high, flights cancelled and then reinstated at double or more for the Heineken Cup as someone in the back office messed up when preparing the original schedule.
In terms of FR the witholding of his landing fees for months due to a spat with the DAA over floor space in T1 in Dublin a few years back highlighted the nastier side to MOL. The judge in that case said that the actions of FR were "wholly disproportionate". In unfair employment cases the judiciary have even called his management dishonest.
Until they solve the problem of Ireland being stuck on an Island then a lack of competition will inevitably result in the fare paying public being at the mercy of FR and the like should a monopoly be allowed to occur.
In present day terms you can see examples of what a monopoly might look like. Flights for the Euro championships priced sky high, flights cancelled and then reinstated at double or more for the Heineken Cup as someone in the back office messed up when preparing the original schedule.
In terms of FR the witholding of his landing fees for months due to a spat with the DAA over floor space in T1 in Dublin a few years back highlighted the nastier side to MOL. The judge in that case said that the actions of FR were "wholly disproportionate". In unfair employment cases the judiciary have even called his management dishonest.
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Emirates chief rules out buying Aer Lingus stake - The Irish Times - Tue, Aug 21, 2012
Some very intresting comments from EK CEO in regaurd to EI.
Some very intresting comments from EK CEO in regaurd to EI.
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Sorry to change the subject but does anyone else like me think that EI moved from BFS to BHD so It would be harder for FR to try and take them over ? (Becasue FR had a base at BHD which Didn't work)
EI seemed happy at BFS with their base, and if FR do take them over (which I doubt will EVER happen considering that nobody wants it to happen other than MOL who in my opinion is just jealous of the success of EI) and if EI stayed at BFS it would've been easier to take over all the routes from BFS (As FR fly to all of them apart from LHR)
EI seemed happy at BFS with their base, and if FR do take them over (which I doubt will EVER happen considering that nobody wants it to happen other than MOL who in my opinion is just jealous of the success of EI) and if EI stayed at BFS it would've been easier to take over all the routes from BFS (As FR fly to all of them apart from LHR)
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i doubt this logic very much, BHD had been on the cards way before FR announced their 3rd bid out of the blue. But i agree in that i can't see FR being allowed to take over EI but never say never
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I think it is absolutely irrelevant what airport in Belfast AerLingus fly from. Ryanair will not care one bit, as if MOL was in control he would change the venue when it suited him. The same could be said of Airbus fleet, they only have Boeing etc.
Look at Buzz and what happened when it was taken over. Changed radically.
I cant see FR gaining control of EI anytime soon.
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I think it is absolutely irrelevant what airport in Belfast AerLingus fly from. Ryanair will not care one bit, as if MOL was in control he would change the venue when it suited him. The same could be said of Airbus fleet, they only have Boeing etc.
Look at Buzz and what happened when it was taken over. Changed radically.
I cant see FR gaining control of EI anytime soon.
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Public asked to pin support on Shannon
these politicians honestly dont have a clue sometimes, he asked to go to shannon on a day the JFK - SNN service doesnt operate and he thinks there is still a stopover with EI flights routing through SNN.
these politicians honestly dont have a clue sometimes, he asked to go to shannon on a day the JFK - SNN service doesnt operate and he thinks there is still a stopover with EI flights routing through SNN.
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CAPA have a good article out today analysing Ryanair's takeover attempts of Aer Lingus for anyone interested:
Ryanair's tenacious quest to acquire Aer Lingus matches the EC's equally tenacious drive to probe | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Interestingly it makes the point that although Ryanair would offer concessions on the number of routes Ryanair and Aer Lingus would operate on, Ryanair would be able to offer a huge amount of feeder traffic to Dublin from it's 51 bases if Aer Lingus' transatlantic operation were to be expanded.
Ryanair's tenacious quest to acquire Aer Lingus matches the EC's equally tenacious drive to probe | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Interestingly it makes the point that although Ryanair would offer concessions on the number of routes Ryanair and Aer Lingus would operate on, Ryanair would be able to offer a huge amount of feeder traffic to Dublin from it's 51 bases if Aer Lingus' transatlantic operation were to be expanded.
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It is quite clear that FR would not offer "a huge amount of feeder traffic", why? Because EI is a larger airline than FR out of DUB (even if only just). If they were to "merge" FR would add few truly new city pairs, or catchment areas to the EI network. A true comparison of the new cities added is difficult, because FR often serve similar regions out of different airports. One could probably argue that Leeds, Liverpool and Manchester all cover a similar catchment area, the airports certainly would.
Also, the assumption is made that FR would interline with EI and I dont think that is a safe assumption. Also remember that a lot of FR routes are seasonal and/or only flown a few times a week, which may, or may not make for convenient connections, if these were even allowed in the first place.
Also, the assumption is made that FR would interline with EI and I dont think that is a safe assumption. Also remember that a lot of FR routes are seasonal and/or only flown a few times a week, which may, or may not make for convenient connections, if these were even allowed in the first place.
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At present Ryanair do not do baggage transfers etc between connecting flights. Can't see UK passengers having the same confidence in using Dublin as a hub if they've to rely on a point to point style flight to get there and if they're left stranded if they miss their connection.
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Total passengers for August were 1.16 million up 2.2%
Short Haul - 906,000 down 1.2%, capacity down 1.8%, LF84.6 up 1.2
Long Haul - 103,000 up 7.3%, capacity up 4.0%, LF93.2% up 2.4
EI Regional - 107,000 up 35.5%
Short Haul - 906,000 down 1.2%, capacity down 1.8%, LF84.6 up 1.2
Long Haul - 103,000 up 7.3%, capacity up 4.0%, LF93.2% up 2.4
EI Regional - 107,000 up 35.5%
At present Ryanair do not do baggage transfers etc between connecting flights. Can't see UK passengers having the same confidence in using Dublin as a hub if they've to rely on a point to point style flight to get there and if they're left stranded if they miss their connection.
Love the continuing idea that as soon as FR look at something it automatically gets a "It will never work because they haven't considered X"................Funny thing is if can be thought of by someone not connected to FR, why do you assume it can not be thought of at FR
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Aer Lingus announced as new sponsor of Ulster Rugby:
The Sunday Business Post - Aer Lingus signs Ulster Rugby sponsorship deal
The Sunday Business Post - Aer Lingus signs Ulster Rugby sponsorship deal
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LGW Summer 2013
Looking at LGW 2013 summer timetable it seems that it is not complete, i.e. it seems that a LGW BHD extra flight had been scheduled for the evening:
1855/2015 LGW BHD
2050/2210 BHD LGW
there is also a return flight to DUB at the same times (5mins diff).
It would appear that the same aircraft is available for this flight. So either the timetable needs to be modified or an extra aircraft is being put into LGW.
The DUB flights are showing as all 320, BHD as 319. So if there is to be a 319 based at LGW there has to be new routes coming. Not extra capacity to DUB as it is already 6 per day.
What about KIR??
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1855/2015 LGW BHD
2050/2210 BHD LGW
there is also a return flight to DUB at the same times (5mins diff).
It would appear that the same aircraft is available for this flight. So either the timetable needs to be modified or an extra aircraft is being put into LGW.
The DUB flights are showing as all 320, BHD as 319. So if there is to be a 319 based at LGW there has to be new routes coming. Not extra capacity to DUB as it is already 6 per day.
What about KIR??
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Gazmo; I didnt say LGW is getting 2 319s, What I am saying is that EI are getting 2 more 319s from Iberia. That will bring the total to 4. BHD definately has 2, it seems that LGW will see a 319 operate to NOC and it is not the LGW machine, so I am asking the question is LGW Getting 319s?
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The plan is to base 2 A319 at LGW next summer. Not sure if there will be new scheduled routes or if it will be increased charters. Could change over the coming weeks though.
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Is there a possibility that LGW based A319 would operate The early service to DUB (the remaining DUB services seem to be on DUB based aircraft). The aircraft then seems to operate to NOC and the late evening BHD service. The aircraft seems to fly something like this...
EI 231 LGW 0650 DUB 0810
EI 232 DUB 0850 LGW 1010
EI 911 LGW 1040 NOC 1210
EI 912 NOC 1245 LGW 1415
? EI 815 LGW 1450 ORK 1615
? EI 814 ORK 1655 LGW 1815
EI 29 LGW 1855 BHD 2015
EI 28 BHD 2050 LGW 2210
The timings I have used for EI815/814 are those currently in the EI booking schedule and happen to fit pretty well so it would seem the current plan is to have me flight each to DUB, NOC, ORK and BHD by an LGW aircraft, most likely an A319, although as said earlier this could change.
Incidentally what is the night curfew at BHD, some articles suggest 2130? Hopefully the aircraft won't pick up to many delays thought the day, although NOC and ORK are not especially known for congestion delays!
EI 231 LGW 0650 DUB 0810
EI 232 DUB 0850 LGW 1010
EI 911 LGW 1040 NOC 1210
EI 912 NOC 1245 LGW 1415
? EI 815 LGW 1450 ORK 1615
? EI 814 ORK 1655 LGW 1815
EI 29 LGW 1855 BHD 2015
EI 28 BHD 2050 LGW 2210
The timings I have used for EI815/814 are those currently in the EI booking schedule and happen to fit pretty well so it would seem the current plan is to have me flight each to DUB, NOC, ORK and BHD by an LGW aircraft, most likely an A319, although as said earlier this could change.
Incidentally what is the night curfew at BHD, some articles suggest 2130? Hopefully the aircraft won't pick up to many delays thought the day, although NOC and ORK are not especially known for congestion delays!
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