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Old 25th Jan 2015, 09:38
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If they were rejecting they would issue a press statement, likely that media have already been in touch and received indications that board wished to approve.

Of course ulimately its shareholders that decide whether they wish to sell their shares NOT the board.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 09:52
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In purely operational terms, it sounds on the face of it to be a decent fit. Aer Lingus offer a network which is mostly complimentary to IAG (British Airways).

Presumably BA, will shift the slots it currently uses from LHR to DUB & BHD onto other routes allowing new services to open and move Ireland bound passengers onto EI flights and IAG gets a hub in DUB.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 10:02
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When BA merged with Iberia they did not pull out of LHR-MAD, I suspect consolidation of frequencies but I don't think BA will step away from Ireland again. They don't have long haul capacity to spare, medium term A320 orders may become A321s as SNN/ORK would likely stay EI, but DUB would be a decent metal neutral JV and Belfast is in my view could go either way. If both airlines stay on DUB/BHD, they can help costs by eliminating night stoppers at the appropriate end.
The entire Aer Lingus US long haul operation is a tiny fraction of BA's so the benefits to UK regional connectivity via DUB should not be overstated. Aer Lingus is not the same as BA, only low end leisure would be indifferent based on price, pointy end types have AVIOS status and lounge access/hard product loyalties.

Ring fencing the politically sensitive routes sounds like a plan, but is it legal?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 11:04
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There's the possibility that competition authorities would insist on some BHD/DUB-LHR slots be offered up to competitors, whether anybody else would be interested is another matter. EI don't just fly to LHR from BHD so I can't see that reverting to BA only.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 14:39
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What would happen the deal with Aer Lingus regional.
Would BA cityflyer get more E170,190 aircraft and take over the routes?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 14:51
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I'd imagine the EI regional deal would stay, remember EI and BA probably won't merge, IB and BA didn't.
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What would happen the deal with Aer Lingus regional.
Would BA cityflyer get more E170,190 aircraft and take over the routes?
Why, BA Cityflyer have no spare fleets and the higher cost base of E jets to ATR's on many UK-DUB routes isn't sustainable. Not a lot will change if it goes through.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 15:27
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I can see a case for EIR expanding especially is IAG want to grow the long haul ex dublin then more feed is needed and EIR or Stobart as they are really are probably quite well placed to provide that capacity, plus quite easy for Stobart to get some regional jets for the thicker routes and longer sectors if further capacity over the atr is required
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 15:58
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why would IAG want to build long haul from Dublin? It can only be done by feeding in more peopel from the UK - which will cut into BA's LHR hub

I think the Irish authorities would be mad to agree to this

Ryanair might well take the money and run - after all IAG will try and move fares upwards and that will only benefit Ryanair - either they can charge more or they can go for market share
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 16:01
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I completely agree with Heathrow Harry, BA will never devlope Dublin's long haul routes. Dublin's dream of becoming a T/A hub will be gone if this goes through.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 16:54
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SNN to LHR?

What are my chances of still having thrice daily choice of EI SNN to LHR flights in next winter's schedule if IAG takeover goes ahead?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 17:02
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For the moment they can't develop LHR as they have no slots, and they have no aircraft.

Plus, they loose a ton of long haul from the regions via KLM, AF, LH, SAS etc, look at the regional airports, they don't travel to Heathrow in great volume, they go via the extensive KLM network.

Add into the fact the Dublin has pre clearance for the USA, which I think is highly unlikely to be given to the UK due to the terror threat in this country, and I can see a ton of reasons why they would want to exploit the transatlantic from Dublin, plus it's already being discussed in one of the Irish Broadsheets.

Plus it's not just the UK, expanded EI into Europe and bring people via DUB for a quick transfer and pre clearance, it's a win win for BA if you ask me
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 17:36
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I can see a case for EIR expanding especially is IAG want to grow the long haul ex dublin then more feed is needed and EIR or Stobart as they are really are probably quite well placed to provide that capacity, plus quite easy for Stobart to get some regional jets for the thicker routes and longer sectors if further capacity over the atr is required
EI and EI Regional already link over 20 UK airports to DUB.



why would IAG want to build long haul from Dublin? It can only be done by feeding in more peopel from the UK - which will cut into BA's LHR hub

I think the Irish authorities would be mad to agree to this
EI Longhaul at DUB is limited: a handful of USA destinations and YYZ. Perhaps there could be one or two more under IAG ownership, probably at AA hubs/focus cities.

Because of pre-clearance, think that the USA would likely be the focus of any IAG longhaul expansion at DUB, to complement the BA operation at LHR.

Ryanair might well take the money and run - after all IAG will try and move fares upwards and that will only benefit Ryanair - either they can charge more or they can go for market share
Indeed, makes sense for FR, it would never be allowed to takeover EI from an EU competition point of view.



What are my chances of still having thrice daily choice of EI SNN to LHR flights in next winter's schedule if IAG takeover goes ahead?
DH
Quite high, provided the flights have reasonable loads both as point to point and as feeders for BA longhaul at LHR.



For the moment they can't develop LHR as they have no slots, and they have no aircraft.
No, BA has adequate slots at LHR since buying and closing BD, another 9 slot pairs come its way in September from VS. What it's short of, apparently, is sufficient longhaul aircraft.

Plus, they loose a ton of long haul from the regions via KLM, AF, LH, SAS etc, look at the regional airports, they don't travel to Heathrow in great volume, they go via the extensive KLM network.
That is the point, IAG has the opportunity to grab some traffic from the several UK airports that are not linked to LHR, and feed them through DUB giving KL (which is also at over 20 UK airports) some competition on North America routes.

Add into the fact the Dublin has pre clearance for the USA, which I think is highly unlikely to be given to the UK due to the terror threat in this country, and I can see a ton of reasons why they would want to exploit the transatlantic from Dublin, plus it's already being discussed in one of the Irish Broadsheets.
Pre-clearance is a big advantage. Don't think a "terror threat" would prevent pre-clearance in the UK, it's actually a reason to have it. With pre-clearance, an identified potential terrorist could denied boarding.

The reason for not having pre-clearance at LHR is probably that it is too complicated as USA flights are spread accross several terminals. MAN could be a suitable candidate for pre-clearance. Other UK airports may or may not have sufficient numbers of flights to make it cost effective.

Plus it's not just the UK, expanded EI into Europe and bring people via DUB for a quick transfer and pre clearance, it's a win win for BA if you ask me
Probably win-win for both BA and EI.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:03
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Getting this over the line will be very difficult.

If slots must be given because of competition then it's likely BA will have to give them up and not take them out of EIs pairs and many other problems will need to be addressed.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:11
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Are Lingus

What , not a single comment ? Apathy rules ?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:13
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Are ? This what happens when you mess with the word Air !
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:22
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Isn't "Lingus" a singular noun, in which case "is Lingus" would be correct.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:23
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It's Aer Lingus for chrissakes, it's not hard!

And if you're referring to the takeover, it's preferable to discussing the demise of yet another national airline.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:35
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Revman2,

As you went to pedant mode. Lingus is a bastardization for us Anglo's, the actual gaelic word for fleet is loingeas.

Pedant mode off

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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:49
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I think they ought to go the whole way and spell it Lenzies.
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