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Despite the new routes announced today from BHD with bmibaby, I really cant see what they are playing at. They really clearly at the minute don't have a clue what they are doing again... They have now closed Manchester based down from the end of the summer! They clearly don't want passengers to trust in booking with them... ''I know lets book a flight, oh no wait it will be cancelled in two weeks''!!! 
Unfortunately I don't think it's CWL management to blame, although they could be looking for a more structured airline, Jet2 may hopefully come your way then.
Unfortunately I don't think it's CWL management to blame, although they could be looking for a more structured airline, Jet2 may hopefully come your way then.
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Now, how many airlines is that who have retired wounded at CWL?
I can see it now, Easy will ride in from the east to rescue us all.....
Sorry, I know its not funny, but really, its just sso damn familiar.
I can see it now, Easy will ride in from the east to rescue us all.....
Sorry, I know its not funny, but really, its just sso damn familiar.
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You are correct not funny at all with a potential of 69 jobs to be lost directly and more could be lost indirectly if a replacement is not found at Cardiff
Keep laughing while others maybe filling up with tears.
Keep laughing while others maybe filling up with tears.
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Flybe to the rescue 2012?
Perhaps Flybe could set up a mini version or the EXT / SOU type of base with 3/4 aircraft, 1 x E195 for sun routes and then cheap to operate Dash 8's to do the shorter routes, perhaps some french regionals too.
If Flybe dont do this maybe one of the charter ops will add an aircraft for summer only additional sun charters??
If Flybe dont do this maybe one of the charter ops will add an aircraft for summer only additional sun charters??
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Well the unemployment figure in Wales has recently risen for the 5th consecutive month so it's no surprise that companies, including air companies, are tightening their apron strings accordingly.
One wonders where these CWL airport workers are coming from, Wales and UK are in a financial sh1t street, literally all airports and airlines are reigning things in, as Wales unemployment figures rise travelling passenger numbers will drop and, it seems, these guys expect themselves to be immune from the mess the UK and Wales is in by expecting a £5 million government 'gift' to develop a terminal building that clearly is being under utilised whilst maintaining their jobs and, indeed, creating further business.
If an airport, any airport, can't pay it's way then close the bl00dy thing down and develop the land for housing or industry or whatever"
One wonders where these CWL airport workers are coming from, Wales and UK are in a financial sh1t street, literally all airports and airlines are reigning things in, as Wales unemployment figures rise travelling passenger numbers will drop and, it seems, these guys expect themselves to be immune from the mess the UK and Wales is in by expecting a £5 million government 'gift' to develop a terminal building that clearly is being under utilised whilst maintaining their jobs and, indeed, creating further business.
If an airport, any airport, can't pay it's way then close the bl00dy thing down and develop the land for housing or industry or whatever"
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It was the airport management that requested £5m for terminal development and not the workers so to speak. Cardiff Airport terminal is adequate for it's current shedule and even more so if there is no replacement for bmibaby.
What was being said and request by a specific group was that if £5m for terminal developments was provided to Cardiff Airport then it should be match funded by Abertis/Tbi and go towards route development.
However in my opinion there should only be development to the terminal if we start to see passenger number growth for a year or so with a forecasted growth expected in the future.
Nobody likes to loose their job Phileas and nobody deserves to loose their job unless it is their own fault. A lot of people may feel hard done by as on the outside it seems as if not a lot is being done to resolve the situation even though it may not really be the case. Not a lot was done to secure Welsh aviation when the going was good which means were in a worse position when the going gets bad.
What was being said and request by a specific group was that if £5m for terminal developments was provided to Cardiff Airport then it should be match funded by Abertis/Tbi and go towards route development.
However in my opinion there should only be development to the terminal if we start to see passenger number growth for a year or so with a forecasted growth expected in the future.
Nobody likes to loose their job Phileas and nobody deserves to loose their job unless it is their own fault. A lot of people may feel hard done by as on the outside it seems as if not a lot is being done to resolve the situation even though it may not really be the case. Not a lot was done to secure Welsh aviation when the going was good which means were in a worse position when the going gets bad.
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mathers,
I could sit here and blow smoke up your @ss that everything is good and the future is bright for CWL .... but it wouldn't change anythiing.
CWL doesn't serve Wales, it serves the south east corner of Wales and just getting to/from the airport by public transportation leaves a lot to be desired, perhaps money should be spent subsidising ground, rather than air, transportation.
BMI have their graffiti splattered over the X91 buses yet, unless it is the morning/evening peaks Llantwit/Cardiff/Llantwit the X91 only serves the airport circa once per 2 hours and as for the X45 service, well it's quicker to fly CWL/AMS than it is to get from Cardiff on that service!
Last summer I arrived CWL on the evening KLM, there was no bus, for some considerable period, even going to Barry and £9 for a taxi up to Tesco's on the hill, well it doesn't encourage the travellers to utilise CWL does it?
It is unfortunate when any individual may lose their job, just look at our armed services, they're risking their lives in Afganistan at the moment and should they survive their current tour of duty there's likely to be a redundancy ticket for them when they arrive home, the UK is seriously and financially knackered at the moment and CWL airport is not exempt from this!
And this 'Welsh' thing does hold any credability, you and others might like to believe it but the Severn Xing or a sign or two on the A449 aren't that big a deaL
I could sit here and blow smoke up your @ss that everything is good and the future is bright for CWL .... but it wouldn't change anythiing.
CWL doesn't serve Wales, it serves the south east corner of Wales and just getting to/from the airport by public transportation leaves a lot to be desired, perhaps money should be spent subsidising ground, rather than air, transportation.
BMI have their graffiti splattered over the X91 buses yet, unless it is the morning/evening peaks Llantwit/Cardiff/Llantwit the X91 only serves the airport circa once per 2 hours and as for the X45 service, well it's quicker to fly CWL/AMS than it is to get from Cardiff on that service!
Last summer I arrived CWL on the evening KLM, there was no bus, for some considerable period, even going to Barry and £9 for a taxi up to Tesco's on the hill, well it doesn't encourage the travellers to utilise CWL does it?
It is unfortunate when any individual may lose their job, just look at our armed services, they're risking their lives in Afganistan at the moment and should they survive their current tour of duty there's likely to be a redundancy ticket for them when they arrive home, the UK is seriously and financially knackered at the moment and CWL airport is not exempt from this!
And this 'Welsh' thing does hold any credability, you and others might like to believe it but the Severn Xing or a sign or two on the A449 aren't that big a deaL
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I am not a CWL spokesperson and would not like to be accociated as one. If you were posting honestly then i would guess that you wouldn't mind posting the whole PM.
Anyone who would care to look through your history would understand that your argumentative persona was one of the main causes of the previous Cardiff thread closure.
If you don't like what i post in a PM then please follow correct proceedures and report it to the MODS rather than bring it to the main forum and drag it down.
Anyone who would care to look through your history would understand that your argumentative persona was one of the main causes of the previous Cardiff thread closure.
If you don't like what i post in a PM then please follow correct proceedures and report it to the MODS rather than bring it to the main forum and drag it down.
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Seems like old times!
This thread gets closed if the posts are not tempered with common sense and content fit for debate. Right now it sounds like a school playground with children fighting.
Better get a grip.
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This thread gets closed if the posts are not tempered with common sense and content fit for debate. Right now it sounds like a school playground with children fighting.
Better get a grip.
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Unfortunately, there is a tendency to read half a post then shooting from the hip from some people on this thread. Maybe there will be redundancies at CWL when WW withdraw, maybe not, certainly the flight crew have been offered re-deployment and if FLYBE take up the slack, the winter full time ground jobs should be safe. After the end of September, CWL is like the Marie Celeste at the best of times.
At some point people have to accept reality, SE Wales cannot support a large airport. It never has been able to, although the boom years of the 2000's have masked the fact.
The airport will continue to exist due to political will and governmental money, this is a good thing, but to talk of CWL as a commercial enterprise is sadly a self deluding madness all to common in South Wales.
At some point people have to accept reality, SE Wales cannot support a large airport. It never has been able to, although the boom years of the 2000's have masked the fact.
The airport will continue to exist due to political will and governmental money, this is a good thing, but to talk of CWL as a commercial enterprise is sadly a self deluding madness all to common in South Wales.
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Would be great if CWL management could approach FR now with a reasonable deal that would work for all involved. FR could deliver the growth CWL both deserves and needs, with mainly leisure routes left in the void by WW. CWL could become similar to BOH maybe 2 aircraft operating Canaries, mainland Spain, Malta and Italy.
Many wouldn't like to see FR, but it would deliver much needed PAX figures and would secure jobs.
Many wouldn't like to see FR, but it would deliver much needed PAX figures and would secure jobs.
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A sad day for all involved. I know what it's like to be tossed out of your cosy base, it's happened to me twice ! I once got told "Don't move for an airline job unless you have a mobile home".
The ground staff at CWL are a good bunch I hope there is a plan somewhere. There should have been because the Baby departure has been coming for a while. Sorry to sound negative but the company is dead and they're just waiting for the last German torpedo !
Airlines that are based at BRS (FR, EZY) are very unlikely to ride into CWL. The unfortunate fact of life is that the airports serve largely the same catchment and you'd just be competing with yourself. If they were going to they'd have done it by now. Baby wouldn't have stopped them.
If CWL management offered free everything (which they won't) they might get the odd FR inbound from a foreign base, The Irish Cancer love a freebie, but that won't pay the bills and as soon as there is money involved they'll go away saying how the fact that CWL wanted some money has cost a million jobs in South Wales.
I also don't think Jet2 would take the gamble. Being a similar operation to Baby they may be just a little too wary of the challenge at this point in the economic cycle. Although I will qualify that by saying I don't know anyone in Jet2 so I have no real idea what they think and they would be a catch if it could be done. Just feel they would have already been at CWL if they were interested.
What CWL may have to do now is go cap in hand to Exeter. Offer JF another R8 or whatever big sports car he wants because Fly Be makes the most sense. They have the right equipment for the job. They could make money where others can't. The 195 is small but cheap and will patially fill the med void and with 110 seats should always fly full if the schedule and price is right. (Baby's price ain't right if you compare to FR and EZY similar routes/dates). The Dash can handle most of the other routes that are sustainable from CWL. They're not going to bring in a huge influx of passengers but may stem the flow away and save some jobs in the process.
Good luck to all involved and I hope it works out for you all.
The ground staff at CWL are a good bunch I hope there is a plan somewhere. There should have been because the Baby departure has been coming for a while. Sorry to sound negative but the company is dead and they're just waiting for the last German torpedo !
Airlines that are based at BRS (FR, EZY) are very unlikely to ride into CWL. The unfortunate fact of life is that the airports serve largely the same catchment and you'd just be competing with yourself. If they were going to they'd have done it by now. Baby wouldn't have stopped them.
If CWL management offered free everything (which they won't) they might get the odd FR inbound from a foreign base, The Irish Cancer love a freebie, but that won't pay the bills and as soon as there is money involved they'll go away saying how the fact that CWL wanted some money has cost a million jobs in South Wales.
I also don't think Jet2 would take the gamble. Being a similar operation to Baby they may be just a little too wary of the challenge at this point in the economic cycle. Although I will qualify that by saying I don't know anyone in Jet2 so I have no real idea what they think and they would be a catch if it could be done. Just feel they would have already been at CWL if they were interested.
What CWL may have to do now is go cap in hand to Exeter. Offer JF another R8 or whatever big sports car he wants because Fly Be makes the most sense. They have the right equipment for the job. They could make money where others can't. The 195 is small but cheap and will patially fill the med void and with 110 seats should always fly full if the schedule and price is right. (Baby's price ain't right if you compare to FR and EZY similar routes/dates). The Dash can handle most of the other routes that are sustainable from CWL. They're not going to bring in a huge influx of passengers but may stem the flow away and save some jobs in the process.
Good luck to all involved and I hope it works out for you all.
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Cheeky Vis is spot on, Flybe the only hope at the moment. FR used to be at CWL, but there was a spat over something and they withdrew, 2008 I think. I don't see too many folk on AerLingus flight, but the Flybe's seem to be well sold, so they are doing something right.