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Re: Crewmeal comment
I booked a flight in Feb last year from Orlando via LAX to Sydney, which l booked on the V Australia website. The strange thing is that the MCO/LAX connection l thought would show Virgin America so it was seamless within the group. No it was with Delta, which was well before the tie-up between DL and VS, and there was a Virgin America flight that made a perfect connection - time wise
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l thought would show Virgin America so it was seamless within the group.
Branson is on his high horse again blaming competition for coming off the SYD-HKG route. Instead of moaning he should be up there doing something about it.
Richard Branson: why I shut down Virgin Atlantic in Australia - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
He hope to be back one day! Pathetic!
Richard Branson: why I shut down Virgin Atlantic in Australia - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
He hope to be back one day! Pathetic!
exactly crewmeal
SRB had every chance to forge links with Virgin Oz to tie up at LAX -
Voz have a great service to SYD, MEL, BNE
if Virgin Oz had chosen to serve DXB iso AUH then both them and VS would have competed with EK/QF head on - but hey that's what VS said they were always good at - meeting the competitor head on.
same with VS via JNB - head on with SAA to Perth but its a busy route and also one of the quickest to Oz with a good connection at JNB or possibly Voz could have offered MEL or even SYD
going via HKG was always seen as a bit of the long way round imho -
as another poster mentioned here boardroom battles between VS and Voz sealed the fate of non-alliances
SRB had every chance to forge links with Virgin Oz to tie up at LAX -
Voz have a great service to SYD, MEL, BNE
if Virgin Oz had chosen to serve DXB iso AUH then both them and VS would have competed with EK/QF head on - but hey that's what VS said they were always good at - meeting the competitor head on.
same with VS via JNB - head on with SAA to Perth but its a busy route and also one of the quickest to Oz with a good connection at JNB or possibly Voz could have offered MEL or even SYD
going via HKG was always seen as a bit of the long way round imho -
as another poster mentioned here boardroom battles between VS and Voz sealed the fate of non-alliances
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The most revealing thing about Branson's comments is that "I love going to Australia and the idea of having to go on Qantas or British Airways is going to be very, very painful".
It just shows how out of touch he has been with the hubbing strategy and the development of alliances, and this failure to recognise market trends has cost VS dear. If he wants to avoid BA or QF he could choose from Emirates, Etihad, Qatar, Cathay, Singapore, Malaysian, Air China, Asiana, Thai, Korean, JAL etc.
And some of these airlines even share VS's dated attitudes to half of the human race ("Singapore Girls" is so last century), so he should feel right at home.
It just shows how out of touch he has been with the hubbing strategy and the development of alliances, and this failure to recognise market trends has cost VS dear. If he wants to avoid BA or QF he could choose from Emirates, Etihad, Qatar, Cathay, Singapore, Malaysian, Air China, Asiana, Thai, Korean, JAL etc.
And some of these airlines even share VS's dated attitudes to half of the human race ("Singapore Girls" is so last century), so he should feel right at home.
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SRB can alleviate his 'pain' by going on his own airline to LAX then jumping on virgin Oz - unless that is a pain too for him poor dear
SRB can alleviate his 'pain' by going on his own airline to LAX then jumping on virgin Oz - unless that is a pain too for him poor dear
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Yes indeed rog747. My heart bleeds for the poor love. But if he's as rich as he claims to be, why does he need to fly commercial anyway? Or maybe that's all an illusion as well (cf Tom Bower).
i wonder if cash rich SRB would like to top up the enormous hole in the VAA staff pension scheme as it was put in hugely risky investments and now the pot is near empty - would be nice gesture of him
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What a hardship it would be to take a a Qantas A380 or brand new BA 777-300!!
Personally, I would love to be a fly on the wall in the board meetings with the new DL directors on the VS board.
Personally, I would love to be a fly on the wall in the board meetings with the new DL directors on the VS board.
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I wasn't aware of the pension issue Rog. I'm sorry for all those affected. But if the funds were indeed invested in inappropriate assets then surely the pensioners (and deferred pensioners) should be pursuing the Trustees for mismanagement. The resulting embarrassment for SRB et al might conceivably result in something.
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going via HKG was always seen as a bit of the long way round imho -
Great Circle Mapper=
the reason LHR-SYD flights went through SIN or BKK rather than HKG is historical: during the cold war overflying China PR and the Soviet Union was prohibited, so the great circle could not be used.
BTW, via DXB is much longer.
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Jeez Rog747 - scary stuff. Can you post where you got your info from. Was it from someone in the Company or from someone from the pension provider who manages the provision.
Any info would be great
CB
Any info would be great
CB
fairdealfrank many thanks for reminding me i should have been better at geography lol sorry my fault
basil
yes the pensions issue has been bitter and i for one have been urging friends
affected to seek if the trustees have mismanaged and get SRB in the frame
cyberbob
re pensions i have VS friends current and retired both crew and g/s
the mood is bitter - the pension fund was moved recently for obvious reasons
like wise similar at BMI
LH topped up the pot by £74m (they were not obliged to do so as IAG were in the frame by then after the sell off and Bish was also asked to match LH - after all he sold off BMI and got very personally rich - but he refused to top up the pot) £74m to Bish would not make him flinch that much but all his loyal employees many of whom stayed with BMA and beyond for most of their careers that made him wealthy still flinch at the piss pot pension some now are still fighting for.
basil
yes the pensions issue has been bitter and i for one have been urging friends
affected to seek if the trustees have mismanaged and get SRB in the frame
cyberbob
re pensions i have VS friends current and retired both crew and g/s
the mood is bitter - the pension fund was moved recently for obvious reasons
like wise similar at BMI
LH topped up the pot by £74m (they were not obliged to do so as IAG were in the frame by then after the sell off and Bish was also asked to match LH - after all he sold off BMI and got very personally rich - but he refused to top up the pot) £74m to Bish would not make him flinch that much but all his loyal employees many of whom stayed with BMA and beyond for most of their careers that made him wealthy still flinch at the piss pot pension some now are still fighting for.
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Rog 747 - widely known that the general mood is far from hunky dory but changing pension provider doesn't necessarily suggest a smash and grab raid nor a black hole.
Let it be known that CB's other half is correct, CB is thick
. CB can't see the obvious link, can anyone enlighten me
TVM
CB
Let it be known that CB's other half is correct, CB is thick
. CB can't see the obvious link, can anyone enlighten meTVM
CB
crewrest i will pass your BS comment that on to the staff i know am sure they will appreciate that -
however
the latest pension forecast he just received HAS shown an encouraging move up in the fund by a fair percentage so maybe recovery is looking better
however
the latest pension forecast he just received HAS shown an encouraging move up in the fund by a fair percentage so maybe recovery is looking better
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From memory, 61 has enough of a gap to set a carry on bag down into...as you move towards 64, the gap obviously reduces. They're all good seats, and from 61, you can still see out just fine!
The door / toilets behind 64 will make them a bit less private / relaxed...people will tend to hang around that space. 61 or 62 would be my preferred rows.
The door / toilets behind 64 will make them a bit less private / relaxed...people will tend to hang around that space. 61 or 62 would be my preferred rows.
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That's good to know. Gone for 62 as I figured gap will be smaller and can stick legs into gap in 61 possibly. The upper deck economy have been held back so I'll check back to see if these get opened up too as that would be my first choice.