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Quote: "Presumably this new domestic route is to compete with the fast and direct train service between the 2 cities(from london Euston)......good thinking but hang on, isnt the train service operated by err, virgin??!! 
Did they instigate this route when they thought they had lost their west coast rail franchise to the first group? In the shambles that followed they have held onto the franchise for 2 more years at least.
So is it just me who is wondering why virgin want to compete with themselves??"
Don't think it's a case of VS competing with itself any more than BA is competing with itself on LHR-ORY and LHR-CDG, LHR-HND and LHR-NRT or LHR-JFK and LHR-EWR.
It's just a case on providing options. So travellers between city centres can go on Virgin trains and others can go on VS. It extends choice.
As for franchise renewal, Virgin could not have known the result so it is unlikely that planning LHR-MAN is linked to this. If it was LHR-GLA may have been included too(?).
It could be that as VS was after the EDI and ABZ remedy slots it may as well build up additional domestic feeder routes. Also, leased out slots had to brought back into VS use in order to qualify for the remedy slots.
It's more likely that this is about connectivity and linked to the demise of BD. VS needs to feed its longhaul flights some of which may otherwise be unviable, and it is possible that VS wants to reduce its dependence on BA for its domestic connections.
Did they instigate this route when they thought they had lost their west coast rail franchise to the first group? In the shambles that followed they have held onto the franchise for 2 more years at least.
So is it just me who is wondering why virgin want to compete with themselves??"
Don't think it's a case of VS competing with itself any more than BA is competing with itself on LHR-ORY and LHR-CDG, LHR-HND and LHR-NRT or LHR-JFK and LHR-EWR.
It's just a case on providing options. So travellers between city centres can go on Virgin trains and others can go on VS. It extends choice.
As for franchise renewal, Virgin could not have known the result so it is unlikely that planning LHR-MAN is linked to this. If it was LHR-GLA may have been included too(?).
It could be that as VS was after the EDI and ABZ remedy slots it may as well build up additional domestic feeder routes. Also, leased out slots had to brought back into VS use in order to qualify for the remedy slots.
It's more likely that this is about connectivity and linked to the demise of BD. VS needs to feed its longhaul flights some of which may otherwise be unviable, and it is possible that VS wants to reduce its dependence on BA for its domestic connections.
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Hmmm, a member with the username "BALHR" calling for BA to merge with Virgin?? After all, the pair are "perfect partners"
Three words: NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN.
One word: COMPETITION.
Oh, and these 4 words can be applied to Delta buying American or indeed United buying American!
Still, it's good to dream...albeit ridiculously random dreams! More chance of the Queen doing Gangnam Style across the roof of Buckie Palace, than Virgin acquiring BA or vice versa!
Aaaanyway, I personally hope to see Virgin launching LHR-GLA feeder flights soon. Failing that, I hope the entire short-haul venture is a roaring success. Ditto the Delta partnership.
I love Virgin!
Three words: NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN.
One word: COMPETITION.
Oh, and these 4 words can be applied to Delta buying American or indeed United buying American!
Still, it's good to dream...albeit ridiculously random dreams! More chance of the Queen doing Gangnam Style across the roof of Buckie Palace, than Virgin acquiring BA or vice versa!
Aaaanyway, I personally hope to see Virgin launching LHR-GLA feeder flights soon. Failing that, I hope the entire short-haul venture is a roaring success. Ditto the Delta partnership.
I love Virgin!
At her 60th jubilee, Madness played from the roof of Buckingham Palace. For the Olympics the Queen jumped from a helicopter to arrive at Stratford. I'm sure some of her grandchildren have seen gangnam on youtube.
If the Queen Mum could do an impersonation of Ali G at the age of over 100, then I am suee the Queen is capable of making a good effort at gangnam if she wanted to
If the Queen Mum could do an impersonation of Ali G at the age of over 100, then I am suee the Queen is capable of making a good effort at gangnam if she wanted to
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I love them too.....
BALHR is doing finals this year some MBA in chemistry
I think BA could fall to FR , but VS will needs to survive noce to have a decent honest price fixer running an airline as opposed to MOL
BALHR is doing finals this year some MBA in chemistry
I think BA could fall to FR , but VS will needs to survive noce to have a decent honest price fixer running an airline as opposed to MOL
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Quote: "Aaaanyway, I personally hope to see Virgin launching LHR-GLA feeder flights soon. Failing that, I hope the entire short-haul venture is a roaring success. Ditto the Delta partnership."
Agreed, good luck to them.
Agreed, good luck to them.
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If SRB and Virgin are really serious at attempting a feeder for their longhaul, then their best solution would have been to negotiate with MOL to take over the EI routes into LHR (which could also be used to feed DL routes).
Apparently though, they have lost that battle (if not yet the war) as MOL has signed a MOU with BA/IAG.
Having said that, I think there is an awful lot of water to pass under the bridge before any deal for RYR to take over EI is done and dusted, let alone the RYR MOU with BA/IAG to be passed.
We are nowhere near the end game on this ....
Apparently though, they have lost that battle (if not yet the war) as MOL has signed a MOU with BA/IAG.
Having said that, I think there is an awful lot of water to pass under the bridge before any deal for RYR to take over EI is done and dusted, let alone the RYR MOU with BA/IAG to be passed.
We are nowhere near the end game on this ....
virgin are staying in term 3 and not going to T2
and they hope to get the new domestics placed into T3 as well. (note the word 'hope', not are)
re EI wet lease
the flights for Virgin will have both flight deck and cabin crew from EI.
any upper class on-board product enhancement has yet to be announced (if any)
tickets for these flights are now on sale
there is a competition for names for the new domestic aircraft
and they hope to get the new domestics placed into T3 as well. (note the word 'hope', not are)
re EI wet lease
the flights for Virgin will have both flight deck and cabin crew from EI.
any upper class on-board product enhancement has yet to be announced (if any)
tickets for these flights are now on sale
there is a competition for names for the new domestic aircraft
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Nmes for EI x4 wetlease AIRCRAFT
Jesus Mary and Joeseph are we to loose the blessed Saint's names from our aircraft, well holy God, saint's preserve us.
EI crew are also wearing VS uniforms , which are very smart but St Enda will be shocked when he gets re names , Queen of Edinburgh.......or maybe not
EI crew are also wearing VS uniforms , which are very smart but St Enda will be shocked when he gets re names , Queen of Edinburgh.......or maybe not
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names on new a/c for VS op'd by EI
LOLLOL jesus mary mother of god LOL
well the new names for the domestic VS a/c have to be female and witty and be in keeping with the routes they are going to fly
i Googled famous Scottish women and came up with Elsie Inglis
Flora Mcdonald
and Lorraine Kelly (as in 'er on telly) and the Krankies
hmm not catchy is it....
famous Manchester ladies,,, Bette Lynch sprang to mind
or Elsie Tanner
steve? he retires soon
well the new names for the domestic VS a/c have to be female and witty and be in keeping with the routes they are going to fly
i Googled famous Scottish women and came up with Elsie Inglis
Flora Mcdonald
and Lorraine Kelly (as in 'er on telly) and the Krankies
hmm not catchy is it....
famous Manchester ladies,,, Bette Lynch sprang to mind
or Elsie Tanner
steve? he retires soon
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Manchester has done all right thank you very much out of 50 years of Corrie lol
don't knock it
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Mary sounds good for one of the Airbie... as in Mary Queen of Scots
And to add balance, another one could be called John... as in John Knox
Whats your bet one will be Alex though....
And to add balance, another one could be called John... as in John Knox
Whats your bet one will be Alex though....
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How about Flora MacDonald, The Scottish Heroine. Oh wait, it's been done before!
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Quote: "If SRB and Virgin are really serious at attempting a feeder for their longhaul, then their best solution would have been to negotiate with MOL to take over the EI routes into LHR (which could also be used to feed DL routes).
Nothing to negotiate.
Quote: "Apparently though, they have lost that battle (if not yet the war) as MOL has signed a MOU with BA/IAG."
Hedging bets perhaps?
Quote: "Having said that, I think there is an awful lot of water to pass under the bridge before any deal for RYR to take over EI is done and dusted, let alone the RYR MOU with BA/IAG to be passed.
We are nowhere near the end game on this .... "
Can't see it happening, the Irish govt won't sell its share of EI to FR, and even if FR was able to takeover EI somehow, the EU would doubtless have something to say on the matter, so a "remedy" situation could exist for the divestment of slots.
Nothing to negotiate.
Quote: "Apparently though, they have lost that battle (if not yet the war) as MOL has signed a MOU with BA/IAG."
Hedging bets perhaps?
Quote: "Having said that, I think there is an awful lot of water to pass under the bridge before any deal for RYR to take over EI is done and dusted, let alone the RYR MOU with BA/IAG to be passed.
We are nowhere near the end game on this .... "
Can't see it happening, the Irish govt won't sell its share of EI to FR, and even if FR was able to takeover EI somehow, the EU would doubtless have something to say on the matter, so a "remedy" situation could exist for the divestment of slots.
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Unlikely IMO. Why would they use up additional extra potential long haul slots at LHR to allow that to happen? If they did, it would be at the expense of some of the new planned domestic services EDI//ABZ/MAN. Would expect BA to murder them (as been seen already by the big BA EDI expansion next year to LHR)
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There are no slots available for GLA so it will never happen, BA have a monopoly which is all wrong, but with this anti aviation useless lot in Westminster they will continue to do so.