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Bremen Flights
Does anybody can book a flight from Bremen after 27th of March? None of the routes are available. The base is gonna be closed?
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Further cuts to German routes will be announced very soon but we have a good idea from the booking system which was updated last week.
Bremen cuts - Liverpool, Berlin, Gdańsk, Memmingen, Milan-Bergamo seem to be dropped after March.
Berlin cuts - Bremen, Düsseldorf-Weeze, Frankfurt-Hahn all seem to be dropped after March.
Düsseldorf-Weeze cuts - Berlin, Birmingham, Bydgoszcz, Gothenburg City, Kaunas, Kerry, Krakow, Santander, Valladolid, Wroclaw, Zaragoza seem to be dropped in March.
Bremen cuts - Liverpool, Berlin, Gdańsk, Memmingen, Milan-Bergamo seem to be dropped after March.
Berlin cuts - Bremen, Düsseldorf-Weeze, Frankfurt-Hahn all seem to be dropped after March.
Düsseldorf-Weeze cuts - Berlin, Birmingham, Bydgoszcz, Gothenburg City, Kaunas, Kerry, Krakow, Santander, Valladolid, Wroclaw, Zaragoza seem to be dropped in March.
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Thanks for the reply Jaime and ltnmad,
i'm aware also that because the new pax tax some routes are not available, but from BRE i cannot book any of the routes. HHN and NRN going to have some reductions, but i'm still able to book other flights from those german airports, except BRE. The situation is not really good as i see....
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Legal Action Yet Again
I see that Ryanair are going to take legal action against AENA (the airport operator) and the Spanish ATC union for the problems of the previous weekend. YAWN YAWN YAWN
How on earth they think they are going to get anywhere in Spain against AENA which is government owned and the union is beyond me.
It is all getting rather tiresome especially if they know how the Spanish legal system works!
How on earth they think they are going to get anywhere in Spain against AENA which is government owned and the union is beyond me.
It is all getting rather tiresome especially if they know how the Spanish legal system works!
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Given the Irish govts. lowering of the travel tax from €10 to €3, does anybody think Ryanair will start new services or increase frequencies on existing routes from Dublin?
It is all getting rather tiresome especially if they know how the Spanish legal system works!
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Further cuts to German routes will be announced very soon
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Before people start saying it's another case of Ryanair throwing the toys out of the pram, you have to remember that the difference between a profitable and unprofitable route in Ryanair is maybe only a few euro. Therefore throw a travel tax in to the mix and for the company it becomes more and more difficult to fill the thinner routes as these tend to attract price sensitive customers. Price sensitive customers will see and 8 euro increase in fare as just too much to deal with, so best option for FR is up and move capacity else where ie. Spain. Look at the success Spain has had. BCN airport is growing (and its mainly down to FR) and so are the Canaries.
Once Ryanair begin to attract customers who are willing to pay a slightly higher price, they cant afford to take these hits in tax increases. Whats the point, at the end of the day they are a business.
Once Ryanair begin to attract customers who are willing to pay a slightly higher price, they cant afford to take these hits in tax increases. Whats the point, at the end of the day they are a business.
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I can't really believe that €8 on a fare makes or breaks a route. Don't think the German Govt will run scared at these tactics. Don't hear the Air Berlins, Germanwings etc complaining.... I suppose they could pickup some business as a result of FR withdrawals!!
€8...nothing when compared to an airport checkin of €40... or a poxy gate bag for €35. What about slipping in an extra €1 for on-line checkin? FFS......
€8...nothing when compared to an airport checkin of €40... or a poxy gate bag for €35. What about slipping in an extra €1 for on-line checkin? FFS......
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Sikpupi: Don't hear the Air Berlins, Germanwings etc complaining
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While this is the Ryanair forum, I should comment that Germanwings is special as they go to Schoenefeld, not Tegel. The Cologne (and Duesseldorf)-Berlin market is overcrowded, and many prefer Tegel which is better connected to the wealthier west of Berlin. Where Germanwings has more exclusivity, e.g. Cologne-Leipzig or Cologne-Dresden, they don't seem to bother about the new tax at all.
About domestic German flights, Ryanair isn't the first airline who operated and failed with HHN-Berlin. Problem is mostly HHN's location in the middle of nowhere, with competition from various corners, CGN, FRA, SCN, LUX but also trains and even cars. Story is similar for NRN.
Ryanair's trial-and-error route choices must be costing them money. E.g. they chop routes from Kaunas which were doomed from the start, notably Schoenefeld. But instead introduce something like East Midlands-Tallinn which seems really odd. I mean Tampere I'd understand, but Tallinn ? This market is so tiny. Estonia is the wealthiest of the Baltic Countries (nicknamed 'Finland South'), no big drive to leave for the UK, yet alone the struggling Midlands. Also shrinking stag-night potential (those still going abroad in the current economic climate, or just to Broad Street ?) as a bit expensive and very cold in winter.
About domestic German flights, Ryanair isn't the first airline who operated and failed with HHN-Berlin. Problem is mostly HHN's location in the middle of nowhere, with competition from various corners, CGN, FRA, SCN, LUX but also trains and even cars. Story is similar for NRN.
Ryanair's trial-and-error route choices must be costing them money. E.g. they chop routes from Kaunas which were doomed from the start, notably Schoenefeld. But instead introduce something like East Midlands-Tallinn which seems really odd. I mean Tampere I'd understand, but Tallinn ? This market is so tiny. Estonia is the wealthiest of the Baltic Countries (nicknamed 'Finland South'), no big drive to leave for the UK, yet alone the struggling Midlands. Also shrinking stag-night potential (those still going abroad in the current economic climate, or just to Broad Street ?) as a bit expensive and very cold in winter.
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Actually Air Berlin are also doing the same.....
Ryanair to Cut German Routes "Due To Tax Rise" - WSJ.com
Ryanair to Cut German Routes "Due To Tax Rise" - WSJ.com
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O'Leary interview in today's Irish Independent.
I know that there are some unconditional Ryanair defenders on this forum who have always maintained that the established FR "always-cheapest" model is perfect and that FR can do no wrong - but it seems that even MO'L now foresees a course change. Is he therefore wrong? 
"Ultimately, I think that 99pc of people still want the cheapest fare, but there's no reason why our average price should be 50pc cheaper than anybody else," explains Mr O'Leary.
"I think it could easily be 25pc cheaper than everybody else, but that means a different kind of sales mission and a different kind of culture. With me, it's been far too much along the lines of: 'It's cheap, if you don't like it, f**k off because somebody else will take your seat.'
"That works," he continues, "but over time that's not sustainable ad infinitum. You need to change the model. It's cheap, we're price-competitive but we're not always the cheapest -- that's the way you've got to go."
"I think it could easily be 25pc cheaper than everybody else, but that means a different kind of sales mission and a different kind of culture. With me, it's been far too much along the lines of: 'It's cheap, if you don't like it, f**k off because somebody else will take your seat.'
"That works," he continues, "but over time that's not sustainable ad infinitum. You need to change the model. It's cheap, we're price-competitive but we're not always the cheapest -- that's the way you've got to go."