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Anybody know how I can see what flights are operated by which base using the ryanair website.I know how to check what flights are available but would like to know the roster pattern of each A/C. e.g. DUB STN.both are bases but how do I find out which base operates it(I know its a bit of both!!)but trying to find particular flight parings accross the network.
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In early October the Spanish Consejo Nacional de Competición (CNC), the government body in charge of competition published a report on airline subsidies in the 5 year period 2007- 2011 which included many intriguing statistics, though for some reason it excluded Spanair´s current massive subsidy from the Catalan Government
It quoted 250m euro as the total direct subsidy in that period.
It said that Air Nostrum was the biggest beneficiary and Ryanair was the second.
It quoted 250m euro as the total direct subsidy in that period.
It said that Air Nostrum was the biggest beneficiary and Ryanair was the second.
Your crusades and campaign against Ryanair must have some good reasons with a possible explanation related to Girona as your point of origin. Nevertheless, you could at least try to preserve a little objectivity in your opinions.
So, you suggest Ryanair was the big beneficiary and worst predator?
Let me quote in your own language:
La Xunta paga hasta 120 euros por cada viajero en vuelos de bajo coste
120 € per pax... so that's why you hate Ryanair? But wait, let's read more:
"Here is the comparison between the amount of money invested by Xunta (local government) and the number of passengers flown. The Galician government subsidizes each trip between Vigo and Brussels with the amount (of Euros) 55.5 and every passage between Santiago and Zurich with 24.5 euro per passenger, both connections operated by Vueling. This data comes from dividing the amounts paid by the regional government by the number of passengers recorded by AENA. A couple of other examples: Xunta paid to Air Nostrum 121.6 euros per passenger flying from Seville to Vigo. The same airline receives 91.2 euros per tourist arriving from Valencia to La Coruna. These contrast with the maximum rates paid to Ryanair, 3.8 euros for every traveler who came last year to Santiago from London, Rome or Paris.
You could have mentioned this as well. I'd say you should have, shouldn't you? It was about Galicia, but also in your region, Catalonia, the differences between subsidies per pax received by Spanish airlines (Air Nostrum among them) and Ryanair were extremely significant. I know the range, I'm sure you know that as well. Why didn't you tell us what sums per pax in both Girona and El Prat were involved? In the name of objectivity, dear friend!
PS. I'm not a Spanish speaker, the translations are rough and based on Google.
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Ryanair illegal subsidies. Main culprit but not unique.
"So, you suggest Ryanair was the big(gest) beneficiary and worst predator?"
If you calm down and look back, I said quite clearly that Air Nostrum was 1st and Ryanair was 2nd as "beneficiary" in a list which specifically excluded Spanair.
If you glance at the press report below you will see that the assertion, by the CNC, the official Spanish competition watchdog, is that Ryanair´s subsidy was about 50% of Air Nostrum´s but that Ryanair´s share of the subsidy trough was markedly on the up over the period in question. (Two parts underlined by me)
Las ayudas de las comunidades autónomas y otras entidades públicas a las aerolíneas ascendió a más de 247 millones de euros en ese lapso, siendo Air Nostrum la principal perceptora, con diferencia, de estas ayudas para la promoción turística.
En segundo lugar figura Ryanair, que sólo consiguió ayudas por un monto de alrededor de la mitad del destinado a la franquiciada de Iberia, aunque, según la CNC, éste ha ido creciendo consistentemente a lo largo de los últimos cinco años.
A una distancia considerable en cuanto al montante de las ayudas públicas conseguidas en este último lustro, se encuentra situada Lagunair, una aerolínea leonesa que abandonó sus operaciones en 2009, así como Vueling, que consiguieron comparativamente alrededor de un 20 por ciento (o menos en el caso de Vueling) de la cuantía de las ayudas concedidas a Air Nostrum.
Por su parte, las demás compañías, entre las que se cuentan Air Berlin, Air Europa, Spanair, Wizz Air y Easyjet, se vieron beneficiadas de cantidades muy inferiores, del orden de los 5 millones de euros o menos, y el resto no llegó al millón de euros.
What "right" has Air Nostrum, Ryanair, Spanair or any of the other companies mentioned to bleed the Spanish /EU taxpayer dry ?
Why are they entitled to subsidies which the CNC casually affirms are ILLEGAL under EU law ?
(Yes some subsidies are allowed but only in very specific cases. An element of such subsidies is that they must decrease in time and the company must continue on the routes after they are ended. Yet Ryanair is negotiating to increase the subsidies and when the subsidies end it just walks away !)
If MOL is such a capitalistic business genius, why doesn´t he operate in the open commercial market free of government subsidies, I ask you ?
And of course where Air Nostrum is bleeding dry the Spanish exchequer, and Spanair doing the same for Catalonia, Ryanair is bleeding Catalonia and Spain, Belgium, France, Portugal,.... Need I continue ?
You may enjoy the benefits of this gravy train but I resent my taxes being wasted (illegaly at that !!!!) to keep MOL and family in the life-style to which they have become accustomed.
"Worst predator" ?
No comment.
If you calm down and look back, I said quite clearly that Air Nostrum was 1st and Ryanair was 2nd as "beneficiary" in a list which specifically excluded Spanair.
If you glance at the press report below you will see that the assertion, by the CNC, the official Spanish competition watchdog, is that Ryanair´s subsidy was about 50% of Air Nostrum´s but that Ryanair´s share of the subsidy trough was markedly on the up over the period in question. (Two parts underlined by me)
Las ayudas de las comunidades autónomas y otras entidades públicas a las aerolíneas ascendió a más de 247 millones de euros en ese lapso, siendo Air Nostrum la principal perceptora, con diferencia, de estas ayudas para la promoción turística.
En segundo lugar figura Ryanair, que sólo consiguió ayudas por un monto de alrededor de la mitad del destinado a la franquiciada de Iberia, aunque, según la CNC, éste ha ido creciendo consistentemente a lo largo de los últimos cinco años.
A una distancia considerable en cuanto al montante de las ayudas públicas conseguidas en este último lustro, se encuentra situada Lagunair, una aerolínea leonesa que abandonó sus operaciones en 2009, así como Vueling, que consiguieron comparativamente alrededor de un 20 por ciento (o menos en el caso de Vueling) de la cuantía de las ayudas concedidas a Air Nostrum.
Por su parte, las demás compañías, entre las que se cuentan Air Berlin, Air Europa, Spanair, Wizz Air y Easyjet, se vieron beneficiadas de cantidades muy inferiores, del orden de los 5 millones de euros o menos, y el resto no llegó al millón de euros.
What "right" has Air Nostrum, Ryanair, Spanair or any of the other companies mentioned to bleed the Spanish /EU taxpayer dry ?
Why are they entitled to subsidies which the CNC casually affirms are ILLEGAL under EU law ?
(Yes some subsidies are allowed but only in very specific cases. An element of such subsidies is that they must decrease in time and the company must continue on the routes after they are ended. Yet Ryanair is negotiating to increase the subsidies and when the subsidies end it just walks away !)
If MOL is such a capitalistic business genius, why doesn´t he operate in the open commercial market free of government subsidies, I ask you ?
And of course where Air Nostrum is bleeding dry the Spanish exchequer, and Spanair doing the same for Catalonia, Ryanair is bleeding Catalonia and Spain, Belgium, France, Portugal,.... Need I continue ?
You may enjoy the benefits of this gravy train but I resent my taxes being wasted (illegaly at that !!!!) to keep MOL and family in the life-style to which they have become accustomed.
"Worst predator" ?
No comment.
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Presumabely you are not in the tourist industry. If I was in spain I would be digging deep to keep them flying there , not just in the summer but all year - Catalonia has so much to offer but digging their heels in does nothing for a failing economy.
Or get on the phone to Easyjet.
Or get on the phone to Easyjet.
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Currently my small town, though both pretty and scenic does not have any restaurants, because the minute local population will not sustain them, but if people from Barcelona about 75km away had a government subsidised train service with 6 trains an hour between Barcelona and here from 17:00 till 01:00 every day I reckon I could open a string of restaurants and make a very good living.
Why won´t the authorities entertain this idea which would be most beneficial for me and for my extended family ?
Why do they insist that EU regulations specifically outlaw this type of deal ?
Why, nonetheless, do they offer this deal to Air Nostrum and to Ryanair ?
Why won´t the authorities entertain this idea which would be most beneficial for me and for my extended family ?
Why do they insist that EU regulations specifically outlaw this type of deal ?
Why, nonetheless, do they offer this deal to Air Nostrum and to Ryanair ?
Currently my small town, though both pretty and scenic does not have any restaurants, because the minute local population will not sustain them, but if people from Barcelona about 75km away had a government subsidised train service with 6 trains an hour between Barcelona and here from 17:00 till 01:00 every day I reckon I could open a string of restaurants and make a very good living.
Why won´t the authorities entertain this idea which would be most beneficial for me and for my extended family ?
Why do they insist that EU regulations specifically outlaw this type of deal ?
Why, nonetheless, do they offer this deal to Air Nostrum and to Ryanair ?
Why won´t the authorities entertain this idea which would be most beneficial for me and for my extended family ?
Why do they insist that EU regulations specifically outlaw this type of deal ?
Why, nonetheless, do they offer this deal to Air Nostrum and to Ryanair ?
If you have thousands of people flying in then not unreasonable to expect that their spending power in the region more than dwarfs the cost of getting them their.
I don't know what the average spend of a passenger coming into the regions' airports are but a guess is €125 per passenger. May seem high but add in cost of hire car, hotel, food, drink etc etc its probably not unreasonable. IVA collected, employment taxes of people employed to work in business sustained by incoming passengers, plus those providing services to them etc etc more than makes up any payment to airlines.
I can understand the issue you are highlighting. Maybe looking at ensuring that the money spent is being used to invest in bringing people from abroad in to the airports rather than being used to prop up politicians local airline.
If €1 M was spent on TV advertising telling people how wonderful the region is (and it is
), is that the best use of that money or is it bring in 300,000 passengers which will pay for itself.
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When booking on FR nowadays quite often, when looking across a week of dates for a flight, the term "low fares available" comes up rather than the individual prices for each of the 7 days. But not always..
Why is this?? It makes it much harder to find the cheaper days to fly and inhibits me from booking FR (along with numerous other annoying tactics). Do they do it in the hope that you just get fed up and grab the nearest viewable price??
Why is this?? It makes it much harder to find the cheaper days to fly and inhibits me from booking FR (along with numerous other annoying tactics). Do they do it in the hope that you just get fed up and grab the nearest viewable price??
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Anybody know how I can see what flights are operated by which base using the ryanair website.I know how to check what flights are available but would like to know the roster pattern of each A/C. e.g. DUB STN.both are bases but how do I find out which base operates it(I know its a bit of both!!)but trying to find particular flight parings accross the network.
Santander - Malaga delayed over 14 hours. With all the FR bases in Spain FR could of handled it better.
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When booking on FR nowadays quite often, when looking across a week of dates for a flight, the term "low fares available" comes up rather than the individual prices for each of the 7 days. But not always.. Why is this?? It makes it much harder to find the cheaper days to fly and inhibits me from booking FR (along with numerous other annoying tactics). Do they do it in the hope that you just get fed up and grab the nearest viewable price??
Why is this?? It makes it much harder to find the cheaper days to fly and inhibits me from booking FR (along with numerous other annoying tactics). Do they do it in the hope that you just get fed up and grab the nearest viewable price??
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It's not official yet, but according to my knowledge Spanish AENA has just decided to make concessions to Ryanair and at least partially will allow them to embark pax in Alicante without the airbridges.
Waiting for confirmation. Btw. If true, why not restart ALC - Tampere as well?
Waiting for confirmation. Btw. If true, why not restart ALC - Tampere as well?
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It's not official yet, but according to my knowledge Spanish AENA has just decided to make concessions to Ryanair and at least partially will allow them to embark pax in Alicante without the airbridges.
Waiting for confirmation. Btw. If true, why not restart ALC - Tampere as well?
Waiting for confirmation. Btw. If true, why not restart ALC - Tampere as well?
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I thought FR had absolutely 'no fuel surcharges'???
We expect average fares in FY12 to rise by up to 12% due to the better mix of new routes and bases, our winter capacity cuts, higher competitor fares and fuel surcharges.
I thought FR had absolutely 'no fuel surcharges'???
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New Scandinavia destinations
Does anyone know which airports are being lined up in Scandinavia. Apparently two in central/northern Sweden according to recent reports.
Any word on a KSD-London link?
Any word on a KSD-London link?
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Swedish Umeå is very close to an agreement with Ryanair, not signed yet - but it's still possible the flights would start in March.
Besides, a couple other Swedish airports negotiate as well. Same about Norway.
Danish Copenhagen... a miracle should happen, otherwise FR entry won't happen next year.
Finland... Lappeenranta was offered more flights, but this small town simply can't afford paying more money for Russian pax coming from St. Petersburg directly to Ryanair flights. Usually they do not spend their pennies in Finland at all. Tampere should get a new low cost terminal by next Autumn. No word about any new destinations in Finland.
Besides, a couple other Swedish airports negotiate as well. Same about Norway.
Danish Copenhagen... a miracle should happen, otherwise FR entry won't happen next year.
Finland... Lappeenranta was offered more flights, but this small town simply can't afford paying more money for Russian pax coming from St. Petersburg directly to Ryanair flights. Usually they do not spend their pennies in Finland at all. Tampere should get a new low cost terminal by next Autumn. No word about any new destinations in Finland.