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Ending MAN ops? Are they out of their minds! I hope this is just a media error as PIA have been here for years and are always chocca.
PIA passengers for New York and Chicago will now be carried by its own aircrafts up to Turkey, from where they will proceed to their destination after change of aircraft to THY aircraft for onward flights. The same will be the case for PIA passengers booked to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Milan, Rome, Barcelona, Birmingham, Manchester etc.
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Based on those figures we should get 2 TK B777 a day then or Air Blue getting
bigger aircraft very quickly lol!
What a nightmare with baggage as well
Ian B
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bigger aircraft very quickly lol!
What a nightmare with baggage as well
Ian B
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Uncle Sam practically gave PIA a whole new B777 fleet for virtually squat-diddily as a "thank you" for it's support in the "War on Terror" and yet they, like Air India just have no idea how to run an honest, competent business. Dare I say the culture of endemic incompetence and corruption in Pakistan may have penetrated PIA? Stating the obvious?
Doesn't matter how much volume they have at MAN, they don't seem to have the ability to turn a profit on it. Personally a THY A330 would look quite good at MAN IMHO.
Doesn't matter how much volume they have at MAN, they don't seem to have the ability to turn a profit on it. Personally a THY A330 would look quite good at MAN IMHO.
If the THY/PK option comes off where does that leave Air Blue and their A320 operation via Ankara? Interesting times ahead.
Whatever happens there will always be the Pakistani market to travel to and from MAN & BHX. Not sure what would happen at GLA & LBA though.
As a footnote I bet BA will be spitting feathers after giving up what seemed the lucrative MAN-ISB route!!
Whatever happens there will always be the Pakistani market to travel to and from MAN & BHX. Not sure what would happen at GLA & LBA though.
As a footnote I bet BA will be spitting feathers after giving up what seemed the lucrative MAN-ISB route!!
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Well, its interesting times ahead.
For what was once PIA's only international 'hub', it will be ashame to see them go. MAN has always been important for PIA, and is the only place they seem to send their B747-300 on rare occasions.
Will be interesting to see how the local pakistani population respond to this.
Well, we could/should see a combination of either:
3xDaily B737/A32x
2xdaily A330/340
1xDaily B777 and 1xA333
After all, TK has now got to accomodate their own daily pax, and up to 3 daily B7772/3 PIA pax, as well as the LBA A310 pax (as seen as TK dont serve LBA), and no matter how hard they try, they aint gunna fit them all into a daily B737-800!
Well, fares are more expensive from MAN with a higher volume than LHR, and with cheaper landing fees and better slots, it will be interesting to see why they can make LHR work and not MAN, especially as MAN once had hub status for them.
Personally, I think its an error, as the people who broke this story on a.net and seem to be in the know are stating that, other than the LHE-MAN-JFK sector, MAN will be unaffected.
GLA to go, and BHX may be reduced or gone due to it being sandwiched between MAN/LHR, and LBA may go due to it being 2 weekly and close to MAN.
For what was once PIA's only international 'hub', it will be ashame to see them go. MAN has always been important for PIA, and is the only place they seem to send their B747-300 on rare occasions.
Will be interesting to see how the local pakistani population respond to this.
Based on those figures we should get 2 TK B777 a day
3xDaily B737/A32x
2xdaily A330/340
1xDaily B777 and 1xA333
After all, TK has now got to accomodate their own daily pax, and up to 3 daily B7772/3 PIA pax, as well as the LBA A310 pax (as seen as TK dont serve LBA), and no matter how hard they try, they aint gunna fit them all into a daily B737-800!
Doesn't matter how much volume they have at MAN, they don't seem to have the ability to turn a profit on it
Personally, I think its an error, as the people who broke this story on a.net and seem to be in the know are stating that, other than the LHE-MAN-JFK sector, MAN will be unaffected.
GLA to go, and BHX may be reduced or gone due to it being sandwiched between MAN/LHR, and LBA may go due to it being 2 weekly and close to MAN.
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As a footnote I bet BA will be spitting feathers after giving up what seemed the lucrative MAN-ISB route!!
Anyway, regards their MAN-ISB, I doubt they will be loosing any sleep on it, and they are not exactly going to be jumping overthemseves to serve it again.
Air Blue getting
bigger aircraft very quickly lol!
bigger aircraft very quickly lol!
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Careful what you believe.
I have posted various articles on a BHX forum about this MOU with TK and
believe me there are so many different versions and it is only a MOU.
One article clearly stated that UK operations would not change and if the link below opens you will see that PIA intend to keep its UK flights (other than Glasgow). Well for this week anyway!!
Business : PIA hub in Turkey to compete with Gulf airlines
This one mentions everywhere but the UK.
Business and Economy - Pakistan - PIA to suspend flights to New York, Chicago, Spain, Germany: joint venture agreement signed with Turkish Airlines
Pete
I have posted various articles on a BHX forum about this MOU with TK and
believe me there are so many different versions and it is only a MOU.
One article clearly stated that UK operations would not change and if the link below opens you will see that PIA intend to keep its UK flights (other than Glasgow). Well for this week anyway!!
Business : PIA hub in Turkey to compete with Gulf airlines
This one mentions everywhere but the UK.
Business and Economy - Pakistan - PIA to suspend flights to New York, Chicago, Spain, Germany: joint venture agreement signed with Turkish Airlines
Pete
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Consternation amongst the paparazzi punters on here.....again!
A little knowledge is.......
The silly season starts earlier every year on here.
MM
Consternation amongst the paparazzi punters on here.....again!
A little knowledge is.......
The silly season starts earlier every year on here.
MM
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Consternation amongst the paparazzi punters on here.....again!
A little knowledge is.......
The silly season stars earlier every year on here.
Consternation amongst the paparazzi punters on here.....again!
A little knowledge is.......
The silly season stars earlier every year on here.
At the end of that day, you bash those looking at the news stories, but until its either removed/added from the booking engine, where else are you supposed to get the info from?
Paparazzi, as you say, is one of the main outlets airlines use to relay information, so if someone sees a news release relating to a particular area, in this case MAN, it is completely valid to post on here. Just because the information comming out is a bit scrambled, it doesnt mean its not right, its just about finding the correct version.
Its a bit annoying that people on here want information backed up with sources, which is fair enough, but it is backed up, its still not good enough. No wonder the number of posters on here diminish at a daily rate....
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why they can make LHR work and not MAN, especially as MAN once had hub status for them.
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The articles quoted seem to indicate proposed 21 weekly Pakistan-IST frequencies, presumably working out to a daily flight from each of KHI/LHE/ISB to IST. If PK are dropping all these direct US and European routes, how is that level of frequency on Pakistan-IST ever going to provide enough capacity to feed all the connecting pax into IST?
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Dec passenger numbers are out...
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...December10.pdf
Up 1.98% on Dec 2009.
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...December10.pdf
Up 1.98% on Dec 2009.
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Manchester does seems to have 'turned the corner' with monthly pax on the rise, the rolling year is 17,873,188 down 5.13% and rolling movements 159,054 down 7.79%, so a way to go yet !
But with lots of rumours of new services it is looking promising for Manchester something BHX only dreams of !
But with lots of rumours of new services it is looking promising for Manchester something BHX only dreams of !
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Thats quite impressive when you think how many flights were cancelled due the snow
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From experience a lot people hate changing plane
Odd that much lauded middle eastern carriers are doing so well then. Their entire business model is based on punters changing planes
From experience a lot people hate changing plane
Odd that much lauded middle eastern carriers are doing so well then. Their entire business model is based on punters changing planes
there is the type who will fly a sector from uk to europethen change to another plane and fly 8-14 hours (asia)....... while another group will take the middle eastern airlines and fly 7 hours each sector.
If they had the ultimate choice like CX doing a non stop then i know people will get on that plane rather the first two options.
as for your quote...... im one of them. i dont like a 12 hour flight or can i stand a non stop flight....... i'd prefer to break my flight with a stop half way, have a walk, some food and check my emails...... and something like PPRune..... lol.
but saying this with the new travel tax...... a short hop then another flight is the way forward......... catching a non stop flight will add the maximum tax on it............. kinda killed it off.
Time to shut up now....... laws of the game has changed
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Seems like a the PIA story just got a little more confusing:
PIA shuts Glasgow route and signs deal with Turkish Airlines | ABTN
Speaking from PIA’s base in Karachi, spokesman Mamoon Rashid said flights from Pakistan to Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds/Bradford were profitable and could be expanded. PIA will also continue with its Manchester-New York route
We’re still in negotiations with Turkish. It is not yet finalized, but we will be able to take aircraft from any routes that we close and put them into the UK
Rashid said any expansion on UK routes would be in time for the summer timetable, which starts at the end of March