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Unless they change the timetables, a new plane in Oporto is necessary, because in some days thre will be 4 flights departing at about 6:30 a.m: Paris, London, Karlsruhe and Madrid. Plus, a new daily flight to Madrid is already confirmed.
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Expect BCN (El Prat) to be announced today as Ryanair's new airport. 10 domestic routes, 10 international, all to be launched from 31st of October.
No Finland route
, instead there will be many destinations similar to these already flown from GRO and REU.
No Finland route
, instead there will be many destinations similar to these already flown from GRO and REU.
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from ryr website:
Barcelona El Prat announced as Ryanair's 42nd base
Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, today (26th May) announced it would open its 42nd base at Barcelona El Prat in September 2010 with 5 based aircraft and 20 low fare routes, which will help reverse declining traffic numbers at El Prat airport which fell by 3m passengers in 2009. Ryanair’s El Prat routes will sustain over 2,000 local jobs as well as 250 direct Ryanair jobs among pilots, cabin crew and engineers.
Ryanair will operate 270 weekly low fare flights to/from Barcelona El Prat in an investment of over $350 million in the airport. Ryanair’s 20 new routes will be the first low fares routes to/from Barcelona El Prat and will allow the airport to tap into the low fares market, which continues to grow, and which has so far been absent from the airport.
Ryanair celebrated its new Barcelona El Prat base by releasing 1million summer seats from €5 for travel on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays on over 500 routes across its European network in June. These summer sale seats are available for booking on www.ryanair.com until midnight Thursday (27th May).
In Barcelona today, Ryanair’s Michael Cawley said:
“Ryanair is delighted to announce Barcelona El Prat as our 42nd base with 20 new routes from September 2010 which go on sale on www.ryanair.com tomorrow. Ryanair’s guaranteed lowest fare routes from Barcelona El Prat will allow the airport to tap into the low fares market, which is the only market which continues to grow – thanks to Ryanair’s low fares. Barcelona consumers and visitors can beat the recession by choosing Ryanair’s low fares on 20 exciting routes from El Prat to destinations all over Europe including France, Italy and Germany among others. Ryanair’s 2m passengers p.a. will sustain 2,000 jobs locally at Barcelona El Prat Airport.”
Barcelona El Prat announced as Ryanair's 42nd base
RYANAIR ANNOUNCES 42nd BASE AT BARCELONA EL PRAT WHICH WILL REVERSE AIRPORT’S COLLAPSING TRAFFIC
5 aircraft, 20 routes and 2M passengerS P.A. from SEPT
1MILLION SUMMER SEATS FROM €5
5 aircraft, 20 routes and 2M passengerS P.A. from SEPT
1MILLION SUMMER SEATS FROM €5
Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, today (26th May) announced it would open its 42nd base at Barcelona El Prat in September 2010 with 5 based aircraft and 20 low fare routes, which will help reverse declining traffic numbers at El Prat airport which fell by 3m passengers in 2009. Ryanair’s El Prat routes will sustain over 2,000 local jobs as well as 250 direct Ryanair jobs among pilots, cabin crew and engineers.
Ryanair will operate 270 weekly low fare flights to/from Barcelona El Prat in an investment of over $350 million in the airport. Ryanair’s 20 new routes will be the first low fares routes to/from Barcelona El Prat and will allow the airport to tap into the low fares market, which continues to grow, and which has so far been absent from the airport.
Ryanair celebrated its new Barcelona El Prat base by releasing 1million summer seats from €5 for travel on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays on over 500 routes across its European network in June. These summer sale seats are available for booking on www.ryanair.com until midnight Thursday (27th May).
In Barcelona today, Ryanair’s Michael Cawley said:
“Ryanair is delighted to announce Barcelona El Prat as our 42nd base with 20 new routes from September 2010 which go on sale on www.ryanair.com tomorrow. Ryanair’s guaranteed lowest fare routes from Barcelona El Prat will allow the airport to tap into the low fares market, which is the only market which continues to grow – thanks to Ryanair’s low fares. Barcelona consumers and visitors can beat the recession by choosing Ryanair’s low fares on 20 exciting routes from El Prat to destinations all over Europe including France, Italy and Germany among others. Ryanair’s 2m passengers p.a. will sustain 2,000 jobs locally at Barcelona El Prat Airport.”
20 New Barcelona El Prat routes in 2010 to:
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To Freq
Brussels (Charleroi)7pw
Oslo (Rygge)3pw
Cagliari3pw
Palma14pw
Dublin7pw
Paris (Beauvais)7pw
Dusseldorf (Weeze)4pw
Rome (Ciampino)7pw
Edinburgh3pw
Santander7pw
Gran Canaria2pw
Santiago11pw
Ibiza7pw
Seville14pw
Lanzarote3pw
Tenerife2pw
Malaga14pw
Valencia7pw
Milan (Bergamo)7pw
Venice (Treviso)6pw
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Are reductions forcast at Gerona or Reus in relation to the El Prat expansion?? Passengers using Gerona or Reus for a city-break / cruise connection in Barcelona, now able to fly directly to El Prat. Are numbers on these established flights expected to drop, and will capacity be then reduced accordingly??
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A substantial number of passengers do connect into Barcelona for those reasons mentioned but also remember that both Reus and Girona are resorts in their own right during the summer and the latter is also a great access point to the Pyrenees and Andorra.
Their BCN operation initially seems very domestic based therefore assuming that they want to gain more of the Spanish domestic market compared to Girona which has a majority international set up.
I wouldn't bet against Ryanair expanding more into Europe though from it's BCN base.
One destination not mentioned in the launch and that stands out like a sore thumb is STN which I am sure will be one of the second wave expansion announcements along with DUB and HHN.
Their BCN operation initially seems very domestic based therefore assuming that they want to gain more of the Spanish domestic market compared to Girona which has a majority international set up.
I wouldn't bet against Ryanair expanding more into Europe though from it's BCN base.
One destination not mentioned in the launch and that stands out like a sore thumb is STN which I am sure will be one of the second wave expansion announcements along with DUB and HHN.
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Although creating the base at BCN is not a bad idea, parallel flying to the same destinations has some symptoms of self-cannibalism.
True, during the summer season the routes like CRL to Gerona and CRL to Reus could be almost as attractive as CRL to El Prat, but in winter... I doubt it. Kind of competition FR versus FR. Well, unless some GRO planes are to be redirected to, say, Nantes, St. Etienne, Trieste, Lodz or Lappeenranta. In fact not so many FR airports will be still unconnected to Catalonia.
True, during the summer season the routes like CRL to Gerona and CRL to Reus could be almost as attractive as CRL to El Prat, but in winter... I doubt it. Kind of competition FR versus FR. Well, unless some GRO planes are to be redirected to, say, Nantes, St. Etienne, Trieste, Lodz or Lappeenranta. In fact not so many FR airports will be still unconnected to Catalonia.
MUFC - why would Ryanair want to fly Barcelona-Stansted ?
They already fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Girona 25 times per week and Luton + Stansted to Reus 8 times per week.
Easyjet fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Barcelona 8 times per *day* !
Not forgetting BA who fly an additional 8 times per day to Heathrow + City
Yes, Barcelona is a nice place, but at some point, the London-Barcelona route must surely reach saturation point.
Comparing the routes from Barcelona El Prat on Easyjet and Ryanair, the only one with any competition is to Milan Malpensa / Bergamo, and if you stretch the interpretation a bit maybe Dortmund / Weeze.
They already fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Girona 25 times per week and Luton + Stansted to Reus 8 times per week.
Easyjet fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Barcelona 8 times per *day* !
Not forgetting BA who fly an additional 8 times per day to Heathrow + City
Yes, Barcelona is a nice place, but at some point, the London-Barcelona route must surely reach saturation point.
Comparing the routes from Barcelona El Prat on Easyjet and Ryanair, the only one with any competition is to Milan Malpensa / Bergamo, and if you stretch the interpretation a bit maybe Dortmund / Weeze.
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MUFC - why would Ryanair want to fly Barcelona-Stansted ?
They already fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Girona 25 times per week and Luton + Stansted to Reus 8 times per week.
Easyjet fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Barcelona 8 times per *day* !
Not forgetting BA who fly an additional 8 times per day to Heathrow + City
Yes, Barcelona is a nice place, but at some point, the London-Barcelona route must surely reach saturation point.
They already fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Girona 25 times per week and Luton + Stansted to Reus 8 times per week.
Easyjet fly from Gatwick, Luton and Stansted to Barcelona 8 times per *day* !
Not forgetting BA who fly an additional 8 times per day to Heathrow + City
Yes, Barcelona is a nice place, but at some point, the London-Barcelona route must surely reach saturation point.
LON-DUB. Enough said.
MUFC - my point is that there is already a lot of capacity on the London-Barcelona route. Yes, FR does the pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap model well, but they are not immune to basic economics - there's only so many people who will want to fly this route on a given day.
An alternative strategy might be to pick routes where the existing competitors are weaker and have fewer resources (Vueling in this case, which has huge overlap with Ryanair's chosen Barcelona routes) and more likely to cede ground after a year or two of competing with Ryanair.
Setting up a base in BCN also signals to Easyjet that if fares on the UK-Barcelona route get too profitable, Ryanair will get involved (thus destroying some of the profits Easyjet makes at BCN), without it turning into a damaging full-scale fare war.
An alternative strategy might be to pick routes where the existing competitors are weaker and have fewer resources (Vueling in this case, which has huge overlap with Ryanair's chosen Barcelona routes) and more likely to cede ground after a year or two of competing with Ryanair.
Setting up a base in BCN also signals to Easyjet that if fares on the UK-Barcelona route get too profitable, Ryanair will get involved (thus destroying some of the profits Easyjet makes at BCN), without it turning into a damaging full-scale fare war.
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there's only so many people who will want to fly this route on a given day.
Ryanair create demand and take away competition from it's competitors because they can offer it cheaper than anybody else.
Simple economics.
Strategy is clearly focused on Internal Spain routes with 80 plus out of 130 flights internal ones.
It makes sense to add on some International routes as that keeps Aena happy and makes a statement on intent.
In relation to Lon - BCN well BA and Easyjet previously had 6-8 flights day from LGW now down to 4 since BA walked away.
Pretty likely some of these routes will drop off but given what Michael Cawley (?) stated that they launch routes without analysing them to death and some will never work but many do.
I don't envisage a pull out from Girona and Reus as all the aiports managed by same group so it will be a matching of routes over time.
It makes sense to add on some International routes as that keeps Aena happy and makes a statement on intent.
In relation to Lon - BCN well BA and Easyjet previously had 6-8 flights day from LGW now down to 4 since BA walked away.
Pretty likely some of these routes will drop off but given what Michael Cawley (?) stated that they launch routes without analysing them to death and some will never work but many do.
I don't envisage a pull out from Girona and Reus as all the aiports managed by same group so it will be a matching of routes over time.
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Just from my own experience (about 8 flights), I would guess at least a quarter, if not a third of FR flight pasengers landing in Girona actually want to go to Barcelona. This doesn't seem good for winter routes from GRO at all, though I do appreciate racedo's point that a lot of flights are internal.
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I expect both REU and GRO to go seasonal bases with a massive expansion at BCN if all works out....with up to 20 A/C based there and the biggest FR base after STN. FR will test the waters this winter with 5. As the company is now maturing and rapid growth slows, subsidies on routes will come to an end and we will see FR move to higher yielding routes which will deliver long term profitability and load factors.
Its a shame for GRO more than REU, who have become a major FR base. This cannot be sustained with the expansion of BCN and I expect GRO in the winter will suffer hard.
Its a shame for GRO more than REU, who have become a major FR base. This cannot be sustained with the expansion of BCN and I expect GRO in the winter will suffer hard.
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I wonder given the comments about the airline maturing and subsidies dyeing, which I believe is correct, do you think athe airline will re evaluate the stance it took with some airports such as Manchester and Valencia.
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Maybe..however remember that for now the deal still has to be right. MAD and BCN have become FR bases purely due to over capacity new terminal developments have created. Therefore FR are in the driving seat to get fantastic discounts, giving enough time to build up a passenger base.
The deal at MAN and VLC weren't right, although VLC is slowly seeing a build up of routes again with non based A/C.
The deal at MAN and VLC weren't right, although VLC is slowly seeing a build up of routes again with non based A/C.