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Old 8th Apr 2010, 14:32
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Take for example, ema-bhd it can only carry 170 pax, and at christmas time 160 pax due to increased hold baggage. So the airport does require them extre few meters. FR-
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So the airport does require them extre few meters. FR-
Nope it seems that RYR require the extra few metres...everyone else does fine thanks!
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Maybe the airport would like some new european routes
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Maybe the airport would like some new european routes
Maybe the airport would like to stay within it's negotiated passenger cap (allegedly).

Good call by the government and time for a joined up airports policy. There really is NO need to jump through hoops for one foreign carrier.
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And with a perfectly suitable airport 30 minutes up the road. I'm all for convenience, but its a bit of a joke for FR to say that BFS is out of the way, and then fly you to Beauvais when you actually want a break in Paris, or Girona for Barcelona...

If FR honestly belived that sufficient demand existed in Northern Ireland, that European routes would be sustainable and profitable, without rediculously low airport charges and / or subsidies, then surely they would consider BFS (or LDY for that matter), rather than just focus attention at BHD. The prospect of throwing away potentially profitable routes from NI, because you don't get your way at BHD (presuming thay could operate from BFS at reasonable cost) seems ludicrous.

If they couldn't sustain such routes paying a reasonable charge to the airport operator, the profit / break-even on these routes must surely be on a knife edge. Even if they have excellent initial charges from BHD, what happens when these come to an end, and the route has to stand on its own two feet (so to speak), they do FR play a SNN card and pull routes left, right and centre??
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 21:12
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Ryanair would not exist but for subsidies and ancillary revenues.

Not knocking them, its their business model.
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 21:42
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What a load of nonsense posted on this thread.

Eastern - what you really mean is that its time for a government sponsored monopolies position for BFS! BFS and BHD ARE 2 PRIVATE (internationally owned) COMPANIES competeing against each other in what is supposed to be a free market.

BFS - do you really imagine that BFS management would allow RYR to come in and compete head to head with easy and EI.

Lets at least be honest - BFS numbers are going through the floor at the same time as BHD's are increasing. All you are afraid of is competition on international routes.
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 23:46
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what you really mean is that its time for a government sponsored monopolies position for BFS

Not at all. I just question(as I always have) the wisdom of two competing airports 12 miles apart. Of course there MUST be competition but I always felt that AIRLINES should be the competitors. The fact that we have NO co ordination means that the overall effect is a REDUCTION in services and service quality for NI PLC. If we had the the critical mass of pax channelled properly then we would be in a position to begin to challenge the likes of DUB. However we don't. We have the willy waving that goes on here. If O'Leary was truly ...truly interested in supplying the great unwashed with flights to Europe he would cut a deal with one of the other airports in the north. He doesn't. His deal with BHD (whatever it is) must be sufficient for him to remain there and hurl teddy from the pram whenever the rest of the world fails to roll over for him.

I also have to laugh when he bangs on about the lonely trek to Lough Neagh or some such.....Jeez book a flight to his interpretation of somewhere like Dusseldorf.......theres a long and winding road.

Anyway as this is in danger of hijacking the thread I will wait till EastConsbrook gets back from the cooler and the BHD thread is revived before commenting further.
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I'm not sure why Ryanair don't just adopt the same strategy with hand luggage as Easyjet. No weight restriction! I personally don't think I can go away for two weeks without a checked in luggage, but if I could carry more in a bag of maximum dimensions (recently I've seen boarding staff with the bag measurement stand asking passengers with big bags to put it in there!) then I would reconsider paying the £40. But still, £40 for 15 kilos puts the price on-par with other airlines. I have 3 summer flights with Ryanair, two I need a bag for and I haven't paid for it yet! Damn!

Also, I am sure that there are laws that state if an establishment is offering food or beverages, then a free toilet must be provided? I am not absolutely certain of this, but I'm sure there was something somewhere that restricted them for this. And, can the 737-800 take the extra passengers with the cabin crew and emergency exits on board? I have a feeling this is another PR exercise, as if Ryanair charged for the toilet - I probably wouldn't buy any drinks on-board. I'm sure others would do the same. So by charging £1 for one service - another looses several £'s!
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Old 10th Apr 2010, 10:20
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I'm not sure why Ryanair don't just adopt the same strategy with hand luggage as Easyjet. No weight restriction!
Not 100% sure but it might be something to do with pilots calculating the load of the aircraft. If they know roughly what the hand baggage in the lockers weighs it will help them get a final figure for the load......
However, knowing Ryanair it's probably for commercial reasons why the 10kg limit is in force. Easyjet's rule is very handy and it saves the worry about whether you will be charged at the gate.

Infact I think that easyJet have been trying to become more like a legacy carrier recently, 'plus cards', free check-in at the airport or online, more business orientated routes, swap to an earlier flight if you need to, check-in the night before at LGW and no hand luggage weight limit! It goes on.....
Ryanair have gone the other way and gone more restrictive (e.g. very high prices for checked in luggage) with fees making up a sizebale bulk of revenue.

However all this is mostly (and certainly not always) reflected in the prices of the two carriers.

I have a feeling this is another PR exercise, as if Ryanair charged for the toilet - I probably wouldn't buy any drinks on-board. I'm sure others would do the same. So by charging £1 for one service - another looses several £'s!
It is PR and everyone seems to fall for it again. It would be too hard (and expensive) to implement IMO.
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I geuss we will wait and see which carrier does better in the long run... however I have noticed that on some routes, Easyjet works out cheaper - considering bag charges, credit card charges, AND the cost to get from the secondary airport to the main city. For two flights so far I've booked, it was about £1-10 cheaper with Ryanair. So for extra baggage allowances and main airports - money well spent! I don't think Ryanair will be able to keep up with the charges forever before people just get fed up/realise it isn't that cheap.

I've noticed that the on-board adverts have stopped, I remember a while back they used to be on the tray tables but that stopped. Now the overhead lockers are - they way they should be! - and clear! How come this has happened?
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As with most things you have to do your homework and at times Ryanair are more expensive than other carriers, but I generally find that if you are flexible with dates and even airports Ryanair will tend to come out cheaper. Last week I was keen to book with Jet2 again as I found them to be a good airline to use, especially the baggage allowance however in the end it was Ryanair who were quite a bit cheaper and the flight times a bit better too. Also I have to say that flying with Ryanair the flight will probably be on time.
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In a german forum are rumors that FR will base 4 additional aircraft this autuum at the NRN Base. Who can confirm this ?
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Old 11th Apr 2010, 21:07
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And the FKB-DUB service will be no more from this Summer.
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 07:01
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I heard a rumour from someone who works at Dublin Airport there was/is talk of Dublin going down to 6 aircraft for the winter schedule.

Also in the company there are persistant rumours of a major base opening at BCN, with up to 20 aircraft.
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 12:28
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This one could generate more publicity than paying for the khazi .

News : Ryanair to Seek Journalist?s ?Flat and Contents?
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 12:34
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FRs operation at BHD

If O'Leary was truly ...truly interested in supplying the great unwashed with flights to Europe he would cut a deal with one of the other airports in the north. He doesn't. His deal with BHD (whatever it is) must be sufficient for him to remain there and hurl teddy from the pram whenever the rest of the world fails to roll over for him.
I've always thought that FR being at BHD was quite a curious operation. I mean a city airport doesn't really fit their business model. No doubt IMO they wanted to serve further afield destinations from BHD, but instead they've ended up with some strategic UK destinations. LPL, EMA, BRS, PIK, STN are all worthwhile destinations for BHD and tie in well with the airport's current operation.

Are FRs UK routes profitable, despite limitations in the load they are able to carry?
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RYANAIR TO SEEK JOURNALIST’S ‘FLAT AND CONTENTS’
Well, it's better than the ongoing toilet saga I guess!

In her article Bryony said, ‘you never hear anybody casually mention that they have just flown with Ryanair, and that they really enjoyed it. I am willing to bet my flat and its contents that nobody has ever said the words “Ryanair”, “marvellous” and “service” in the same sentence’.
Actually, I have heard good things said about FR. I have enjoyed flights with them, you just have to lower your expectations in line with what you have paid. They are no SQ, but they don't try to be in any way whatsoever. The experience can be OK if you follow the rules, infact I always find the ground experience far worse than the actual flight with Ryanair. The flight can go pretty smoothly and some of the staff make the experience pleasant.

ALL papers love having a go at FR, and some of it is deserved but some is not!

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Old 12th Apr 2010, 14:30
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I like the line in the Telegraph column 'It’s rather masochistic, like Stockholm Syndrome. Or in this case, 20 miles outside Stockholm Syndrome.' although Ryanair lands a lot further away from the Swedish capital than that. I think it is only reasonable that the journalist gives the flat to Ryanair for free. She would, of course, use the Ryanair definition of 'free'. So there would be a £200,000 clothes in the wardrodes fee, £300,000 for the key to the toilet etc., but no evil fuel surcharge.











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Old 13th Apr 2010, 13:23
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13th aircraft for Charleroi from June, it'll be used to increase frequencies on 13 existing routes (no new routes apparently which is a bit strange...)

Euroland - Ryanair Holdings PLC - Press releases
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 15:25
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The same procedure at NRN. 9th aircraft for the summer timetable. Like CRL it´ll be used to increase frequencies on existing routes...
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