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“The great advantage for Ryanair is that we’re now the largest airline in the world. We have governments all over Europe – the Spanish, the Italians, the French – beating a path to our door saying ‘please will you grow here’.”
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Reus & Girona Bases
Ryanair have threatened to close all routes from Reus & Girona if AENA don't reduce airport fees further. Both airports are holding talks with other airlines to operate from the airports.
In Spanish
Ryanair insta a AENA a rebajar las tasas para continuar en Reus y Girona · ELPAÍS.com
In Spanish
Ryanair insta a AENA a rebajar las tasas para continuar en Reus y Girona · ELPAÍS.com
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Nothing mothballed - all are flying.
During winter there will be once again some aircraft be parked at various airports, but none of them for more than a couple of days until another one is taken out of the normal operation and the parked one is flying again. No mothballing.
During winter there will be once again some aircraft be parked at various airports, but none of them for more than a couple of days until another one is taken out of the normal operation and the parked one is flying again. No mothballing.
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FR-trip reports.
I am copying my trip report,posted on another forum,for your delight and,no doubt,dissection.
"Check-in for an FR flight at BHX is traditionally a nightmare – our check-in in June took 70 minutes for 165 PAX with only one desk open.So we arrived early for our flight FR9163 to GRO last week and to our delight there were 3 desks open, non destination specific, and we were through in 5 minutes.
Then BHX terminal 2 Security - what a joke, twenty minutes to get through with one X-Ray machine working and about 12 staff behind it!
However BHXT2 is well served for outlets so, having bought our Boots £3.49 lunch pack to take on board, we settled down at Wetherspoons.
Departures board then shows 15 minute delay, immediately countermanded by gate staff shouting “Girona flight,Priority Boarding” As usual at BHX they get departing PAX down the passages to the air-bridge before the incoming arrives, and this was the case as the “delayed” Reus flight had caught up, and landed pretty well on time.
We were the fifth group of PB PAX and as there was some delay with an slow walking person struggling up the front steps we boarded the rear steps and were in our favourite seats (trade secret, but better legroom than Club Europe) before she appeared up front.
Good safety briefing, and good information from the Captain, as is always the case with BHX based aircraft. On GRO based aircraft the opposite is the norm-are they dumb or shy up front?
Trolly sales seemed to be mainly hot drinks-not much food or booze appeared to be sold as many PAX had brought their own. The usual smokeless cigarettes and scratch cards were offered but on neither leg did I see any purchases.
Smooth flight, landed on time to the Ryanair on time tootle fanfare.GRO is dominated by FR (for the moment but MOL is threatening to move to BCN#) and the handling is efficient, and inspite of 4 aircraft in, we had our luggage in 15 minutes.
After 8 glorious warm days the weather broke throughout Iberia on the last day with many storms so we set out early, aquaplaning on the autopista, to check-in for our return flight FR9162 GRO/BHX.As usual there our check-in (and security) were a doddle - 5 check-in gates open, non destination specific and four X-Ray queues at Security. We were through the lot in 8 minutes.
UK take note.
We noticed that the FR Stanstead flight was just departing, an hour late and the next flights before ours were FR internal flights (Malaga,Palma and Seville).
At GRO,they announce the gate an hour before departure which does mean a lot of queuing and this was made worse for our flight by an announcement of a 30 minute delay and the gate allocation of number 2 - the only gate that does not have the split queue of PB and nonPB.So a queue starts at 19.50 for a flight not expecting to board till 21.15 at the earliest.
In the meantime the skies darken and rain and lightening starts. Aircraft in unusual liveries for GRO start to land with no PAX disembarking - Easyjet,Vieuling,Air Berlin etc and a further announcement is made that our incoming from BHX is 75 minutes late. It eventually arrives and the bedraggled and ill dressed PAX disembark wading the 200m from the aircraft-
Welcome to Sunny Spain.
By this time the boarding staff have announced “Priority Boarding Only” to looks of thunder from those at the front of the queue watching us who have been sitting in the cafe, in the know, waiting for the signal to stride to the front.A quick sprint in the rain, tiny brolly’s up, and we were third to board and into our “usual” seats.
It was a full aircraft and the FA’s really did work hard to get everyone out of the rain and boarded.
Captain then apologises for the delay-“we have had a terrible week as the French ATC have been playing up, and that combined with the storms and all these diverted aircraft has caused the delays-I have a takeoff slot in 25 minutes and will get you out of here at best speed then”As he predicted he started engines and we made our way the runway for take off to the North-and we waited, and waited with all the sky around us lit by lightening and the rain bounced off the wings. A few PAX had white faces and a few held their heads in their hands but eventually we took off & although I am no expert I felt he had full power, with no noise abatement, till we cleared the thunder tops. Surprisingly little turbulence but loads of lightening all around.
At a cruise of 38,000ft there was the usual trolley service (suspended briefly for some CAT) which was cheerful and efficient from again a BHX crew.A delighted Captain came on to say how pleased he was to be on his way home, and with an unexpected tail wind, our flight was 10 minutes shorter than normal.
Cold and dry in Birmingham and as the aircraft was parked for the night we were bussed to Arrivals and again, unusually for BHXT2, there were 3 Border desks open for a quick(ish) passport check and an unusually short wait for luggage.(30+minutes average for us at T2)
We paid for our tickets in March, £97 return each to include hold luggage and PB, HALF of what we would have paid 8 years ago on BA-BHX/BCN.
FR has many detractors and many fans.However they are a highly succesful business model and are very profitable although the pathetic headline grabbing spouting that comes from MOL does,in my opinion, detract from the good work of the employees.
For my part it an airline of necessity as it is the only one that flies from my local airport to where I want to go to.
Follow their rules -hand luggage/hold luggage weights and sizes, pay for PB if you desire and check in on line and at the airport on time.
If you don’t want to pay their F&B prices, or as we do, don’t want to wait for it to get to us, then take your own on board."
# I see an earlier posting has picked up on this
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"Check-in for an FR flight at BHX is traditionally a nightmare – our check-in in June took 70 minutes for 165 PAX with only one desk open.So we arrived early for our flight FR9163 to GRO last week and to our delight there were 3 desks open, non destination specific, and we were through in 5 minutes.
Then BHX terminal 2 Security - what a joke, twenty minutes to get through with one X-Ray machine working and about 12 staff behind it!
However BHXT2 is well served for outlets so, having bought our Boots £3.49 lunch pack to take on board, we settled down at Wetherspoons.
Departures board then shows 15 minute delay, immediately countermanded by gate staff shouting “Girona flight,Priority Boarding” As usual at BHX they get departing PAX down the passages to the air-bridge before the incoming arrives, and this was the case as the “delayed” Reus flight had caught up, and landed pretty well on time.
We were the fifth group of PB PAX and as there was some delay with an slow walking person struggling up the front steps we boarded the rear steps and were in our favourite seats (trade secret, but better legroom than Club Europe) before she appeared up front.
Good safety briefing, and good information from the Captain, as is always the case with BHX based aircraft. On GRO based aircraft the opposite is the norm-are they dumb or shy up front?
Trolly sales seemed to be mainly hot drinks-not much food or booze appeared to be sold as many PAX had brought their own. The usual smokeless cigarettes and scratch cards were offered but on neither leg did I see any purchases.
Smooth flight, landed on time to the Ryanair on time tootle fanfare.GRO is dominated by FR (for the moment but MOL is threatening to move to BCN#) and the handling is efficient, and inspite of 4 aircraft in, we had our luggage in 15 minutes.
After 8 glorious warm days the weather broke throughout Iberia on the last day with many storms so we set out early, aquaplaning on the autopista, to check-in for our return flight FR9162 GRO/BHX.As usual there our check-in (and security) were a doddle - 5 check-in gates open, non destination specific and four X-Ray queues at Security. We were through the lot in 8 minutes.
UK take note.
We noticed that the FR Stanstead flight was just departing, an hour late and the next flights before ours were FR internal flights (Malaga,Palma and Seville).
At GRO,they announce the gate an hour before departure which does mean a lot of queuing and this was made worse for our flight by an announcement of a 30 minute delay and the gate allocation of number 2 - the only gate that does not have the split queue of PB and nonPB.So a queue starts at 19.50 for a flight not expecting to board till 21.15 at the earliest.
In the meantime the skies darken and rain and lightening starts. Aircraft in unusual liveries for GRO start to land with no PAX disembarking - Easyjet,Vieuling,Air Berlin etc and a further announcement is made that our incoming from BHX is 75 minutes late. It eventually arrives and the bedraggled and ill dressed PAX disembark wading the 200m from the aircraft-
Welcome to Sunny Spain.
By this time the boarding staff have announced “Priority Boarding Only” to looks of thunder from those at the front of the queue watching us who have been sitting in the cafe, in the know, waiting for the signal to stride to the front.A quick sprint in the rain, tiny brolly’s up, and we were third to board and into our “usual” seats.
It was a full aircraft and the FA’s really did work hard to get everyone out of the rain and boarded.
Captain then apologises for the delay-“we have had a terrible week as the French ATC have been playing up, and that combined with the storms and all these diverted aircraft has caused the delays-I have a takeoff slot in 25 minutes and will get you out of here at best speed then”As he predicted he started engines and we made our way the runway for take off to the North-and we waited, and waited with all the sky around us lit by lightening and the rain bounced off the wings. A few PAX had white faces and a few held their heads in their hands but eventually we took off & although I am no expert I felt he had full power, with no noise abatement, till we cleared the thunder tops. Surprisingly little turbulence but loads of lightening all around.
At a cruise of 38,000ft there was the usual trolley service (suspended briefly for some CAT) which was cheerful and efficient from again a BHX crew.A delighted Captain came on to say how pleased he was to be on his way home, and with an unexpected tail wind, our flight was 10 minutes shorter than normal.
Cold and dry in Birmingham and as the aircraft was parked for the night we were bussed to Arrivals and again, unusually for BHXT2, there were 3 Border desks open for a quick(ish) passport check and an unusually short wait for luggage.(30+minutes average for us at T2)
We paid for our tickets in March, £97 return each to include hold luggage and PB, HALF of what we would have paid 8 years ago on BA-BHX/BCN.
FR has many detractors and many fans.However they are a highly succesful business model and are very profitable although the pathetic headline grabbing spouting that comes from MOL does,in my opinion, detract from the good work of the employees.
For my part it an airline of necessity as it is the only one that flies from my local airport to where I want to go to.
Follow their rules -hand luggage/hold luggage weights and sizes, pay for PB if you desire and check in on line and at the airport on time.
If you don’t want to pay their F&B prices, or as we do, don’t want to wait for it to get to us, then take your own on board."
# I see an earlier posting has picked up on this
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RTÉ Business: Ryanair cuts Kerry-Dublin service to 1 flight
So Ryanair have finally caved in and handed back their government subsidy contract for flying between Dublin and Kerry. It was only a matter of time before they would find some excuse to terminate this service, blaming it on government, airports and anyone else they feel will distract attention away from one of their worst ever business decisions.
If I recall correctly, they bid low for the Kerry Dublin PSO a few years ago and won it from Arran and crowed about how they were saving the taxpayer money with such a low bid. They very quickly realised their model was all wrong for it and ended up flying flights with regularly less than 20 on board, frequently less than ten. For an airline that always looks for full aircraft, this one must have ranked at the bottom of their network by a pretty big margin.
Absolutely no doubt 'saving the government 2m euros' by handing back the contract will actually save Ryanair a helluva lot more.
So Ryanair have finally caved in and handed back their government subsidy contract for flying between Dublin and Kerry. It was only a matter of time before they would find some excuse to terminate this service, blaming it on government, airports and anyone else they feel will distract attention away from one of their worst ever business decisions.
If I recall correctly, they bid low for the Kerry Dublin PSO a few years ago and won it from Arran and crowed about how they were saving the taxpayer money with such a low bid. They very quickly realised their model was all wrong for it and ended up flying flights with regularly less than 20 on board, frequently less than ten. For an airline that always looks for full aircraft, this one must have ranked at the bottom of their network by a pretty big margin.
Absolutely no doubt 'saving the government 2m euros' by handing back the contract will actually save Ryanair a helluva lot more.
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Why is anyone surprides at Ryanairs move at EIKY. They did the same at SNN, built a fortress then locked everyone out and disapperaed overnight. They will do the same at every Irish airport yet but given enough rope they may hang themselves in the process. I doubt that operating a 737 from Kerry to Dublin will work either now that its a commercial operation. The route was ideal for an ATR.
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The fees at Dublin Airport have nothing to do with the route been cut. Ryanair are carrying less that 50 passengers on each flight from Kerry. As Ryanair will be operating the route without any PSO funding they will pay Kerry Airport the same fees as they pay for the other routes. With the PSO they pay higher fees.
The times on the route from Oct 31 are:
KIR 06:30 - DUB 07:20 (should depart 07:00 arrive 07:50)
DUB 21:30 - KIR 22:20 (should depart at 18:00 arrive 18:50)
Departing at 06:30 is to early and returning at 21:30 is way to late.
The aircraft will operate from DUB during the day. LTN, STN and HHM will be operated from there bases.
The times on the route from Oct 31 are:
KIR 06:30 - DUB 07:20 (should depart 07:00 arrive 07:50)
DUB 21:30 - KIR 22:20 (should depart at 18:00 arrive 18:50)
Departing at 06:30 is to early and returning at 21:30 is way to late.
The aircraft will operate from DUB during the day. LTN, STN and HHM will be operated from there bases.
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It's not in the bag that they will still be on the Dublin route. The Irish Government might seek out another airline and offer the them the opportunity to operate the balance of the PSO to June 2011. That means that they will be off the Dublin route ....they can't be on it as well as a PSO operator.
The Governement really p*ssed off with them. First BFS, then SNN and now KIR....MOL is pushing it and politicans are keen to see their bluff.
I love the the Minister's quote (using Justice Kellys famous quote)
"....Ryanair and the Truth make uneasy bedfellows..."
Classic!!!
The Governement really p*ssed off with them. First BFS, then SNN and now KIR....MOL is pushing it and politicans are keen to see their bluff.
I love the the Minister's quote (using Justice Kellys famous quote)
"....Ryanair and the Truth make uneasy bedfellows..."
Classic!!!
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But the times are ridicoulous! Thats nearly 16 hrs from leaving Kerry in the morning. Not everyone is catching international flights....most are doing a days business in Dublin / in Kerry and need say a decent 6-8 hrs to do so.
I can see people only doing one-ways .i.e out on plane , back on train!!
I can see people only doing one-ways .i.e out on plane , back on train!!
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main airports
The policy of shifting to bigger airports will not necessary make life easier for Ryanair. There are gains achieved in terms of big airports they already fly to (like Madrid and Girona in Spain), but the situation elsewhere might become much more complicated. Ciampino's existence as civil airport is uncertain in a long term, moving e.g. from Bratislava to Schwechat didn't help others in any way (as in the Sky Europe case), now the clouds are gathering over Berlin as well.
The Mayor of Berlin Klaus Wowereit will start the official consultation process with airlines and associations on 5 October, but there are substantial fears the capital of Germany could in 2012 face an exodus of low-cost airlines anyway. Although differentiated according to the services required, all fees at the new BBI Schönefeld are going to rise substantially and the airlines will have to pay probably twice as much per passenger as today. "If it stays as expensive as previously announced, we will not fly there in the future any more," said O'Leary in his interview with "Wirtschaftswoche".
The Mayor of Berlin Klaus Wowereit will start the official consultation process with airlines and associations on 5 October, but there are substantial fears the capital of Germany could in 2012 face an exodus of low-cost airlines anyway. Although differentiated according to the services required, all fees at the new BBI Schönefeld are going to rise substantially and the airlines will have to pay probably twice as much per passenger as today. "If it stays as expensive as previously announced, we will not fly there in the future any more," said O'Leary in his interview with "Wirtschaftswoche".
It's not in the bag that they will still be on the Dublin route. The Irish Government might seek out another airline and offer the them the opportunity to operate the balance of the PSO to June 2011. That means that they will be off the Dublin route ....they can't be on it as well as a PSO operator.
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Can't have a PSO on a route that is already being run commercially
..They can only be on the route 'commercially' as from 1st November. A one flight a day flight is not the basis of the PSO and if the Government get another airline to run the PSO - he won't be allowed to run his 1 x flight a day. He will not be allowed to cherry pick to screw up the PSO.
I doubt there is a huge worry in Irish Govt regarding PSO routes given the state of their finances.
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Actually they are worried about it raceco, Its a long trip in a bus or a train and with Kerry being one of the highest tourist areas in the country the people deserve better for business and personal travel. Infact I'm sure alot of ministers use the route. Ryanair need to grow up a little and stop wasting share holders money. They blame everyone but themselves, It would be nice to see MOL make a statement on the French ans Spainish ATC strikes, have a go at them for a change.See how it works out. Heres an article about how the minister of transport see it.
ANNE LUCEY
THE MINISTER for Transport Noel Dempsey yesterday said the subsidised Kerry to Dublin flights being discontinued by Ryanair were available, and the Minister strongly hinted that Aer Arann, should apply to fill “the vacancy”.
Mr Dempsey also made a strong attack on Ryanair’s model Europe-wide in which he said the airline “squeezed” regional airports and squeezed competition out. He speculated that its approach in tendering for the Kerry public service obligation (PSO) had been “predatory” in the first place and they had got their sums wrong.
Aer Arann, which operates a number of other PSO routes between Dublin and other regional airports, had operated the routes from Kerry until undercut by Ryanair when they were last tendered for.
Aer Arann is in examinership having lost about €6 million for each of the last three years. At least 14 groups have expressed interest in investing in the airline which also operates regional routes on behalf of Aer Lingus.
Mr Dempsey said it was Ryanair’s “unilateral decision” to pull out of Kerry. He said the press statement issued by the airline announcing it was pulling out of the PSO scheme was “incorrect, inaccurate and untruthful”.
Mr Dempsey was speaking yesterday on Radio Kerry in the aftermath of Ryanair’s announcement on Thursday that it would no longer operate the PSO flights out of Kerry, but would operate one return flight a day, from October 31st, on a commercial basis.
In a statement yesterday Ryanair pointed to the increase in charges imposed on the route including a €4 tax on return tickets, a 40 per cent increase in airport fees and a 25 per cent increase in Irish Aviation Authority charges.
It pointed to a clause in its contract which required the Minister to have due regard when setting compensation to developments impacting the cost of operation which “could not have been anticipated by the company”.
Ryanair took over the PSO Kerry to Dublin route in 2008 with a tender which required a subsidy of €1.75 million. Aer Arann had been operating the route at a subsidy of over €3 million. The contract runs until July 2011.
Mr Dempsey said: “Ryanair contracted for this PSO and from what I can see either they got their bid hopelessly wrong or they made a predatory bid and under the PSO contract now can’t [fulfil] it. They got their sums wrong. It’s either one or the other. But typical Ryanair, they decide they’ll blame everyone else except themselves.”
ANNE LUCEY
THE MINISTER for Transport Noel Dempsey yesterday said the subsidised Kerry to Dublin flights being discontinued by Ryanair were available, and the Minister strongly hinted that Aer Arann, should apply to fill “the vacancy”.
Mr Dempsey also made a strong attack on Ryanair’s model Europe-wide in which he said the airline “squeezed” regional airports and squeezed competition out. He speculated that its approach in tendering for the Kerry public service obligation (PSO) had been “predatory” in the first place and they had got their sums wrong.
Aer Arann, which operates a number of other PSO routes between Dublin and other regional airports, had operated the routes from Kerry until undercut by Ryanair when they were last tendered for.
Aer Arann is in examinership having lost about €6 million for each of the last three years. At least 14 groups have expressed interest in investing in the airline which also operates regional routes on behalf of Aer Lingus.
Mr Dempsey said it was Ryanair’s “unilateral decision” to pull out of Kerry. He said the press statement issued by the airline announcing it was pulling out of the PSO scheme was “incorrect, inaccurate and untruthful”.
Mr Dempsey was speaking yesterday on Radio Kerry in the aftermath of Ryanair’s announcement on Thursday that it would no longer operate the PSO flights out of Kerry, but would operate one return flight a day, from October 31st, on a commercial basis.
In a statement yesterday Ryanair pointed to the increase in charges imposed on the route including a €4 tax on return tickets, a 40 per cent increase in airport fees and a 25 per cent increase in Irish Aviation Authority charges.
It pointed to a clause in its contract which required the Minister to have due regard when setting compensation to developments impacting the cost of operation which “could not have been anticipated by the company”.
Ryanair took over the PSO Kerry to Dublin route in 2008 with a tender which required a subsidy of €1.75 million. Aer Arann had been operating the route at a subsidy of over €3 million. The contract runs until July 2011.
Mr Dempsey said: “Ryanair contracted for this PSO and from what I can see either they got their bid hopelessly wrong or they made a predatory bid and under the PSO contract now can’t [fulfil] it. They got their sums wrong. It’s either one or the other. But typical Ryanair, they decide they’ll blame everyone else except themselves.”
Its a long trip in a bus or a train and with Kerry being one of the highest tourist areas in the country the people deserve better for business and personal travel.
If just being used by business then suggests not really warrants a PSO route as business can pay for itself.
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EU Law won't allow PSO on Commercial routes.
This PSO is not EU monies and hence they do not have a say in it - it is Irish Tax Payers who fund this. Also - Galway Airport have already tested thsi out as far as the EU courts and the EU has no objection in The Irish Gov allocating PSO as it wishes.
This PSO is not EU monies and hence they do not have a say in it - it is Irish Tax Payers who fund this.
EU has a big say on it to prevent Govts channelling support to airlines on PSO routes and preventing commercial operations.