DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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I rarely post, normally just a viewer, but felt compelled following Onion's post. Painful as it may be to see jobs go, mine may well be one of them, this has been on the cards for some time. Irrespective of who you feel is responsible, the business is in freefall and the only option is to cut costs and inevitably, jobs. What is the alternative? The end of Durham Tees Valley Airport. Put yourself in Peel's position. Get over your bitterness for what has gone before and be realistic. Times are hard, passengers are few. Survive or die!! Hard but true!
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Onion, so my question is what could they have done, that they should have done, that would have delivered some significant difference?
I'm not standing up for them but you need to temper the "ruin peoples lives" line with reality and not any personal ideas or prejudices?
I'm not standing up for them but you need to temper the "ruin peoples lives" line with reality and not any personal ideas or prejudices?
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Losingthewill I agree times are hard, but if you compare MME to places like HUY or even Peels other airports MME has really struggled. Your looking at almost 700,000 (70%) reduction in pax numbers in just a few years. No airport has seen this kind of cuts, now in most businesses the managment at the company wouldn't survive! I know what they have done in the past and will not support them! I support the airport and the hard working staff but the managment no. They have brought nothing to the place and have actually upset alot of staff!
If you want to cut cost get rid of the poor managment, or if they insist on staying cut their salaries, but I doubt they'll do that.
Also looking to where the jobs are likely to go one area is ATC. Well how can an airport attract airlines and business if they have too few ATC staff? We all know that the ATC unit has problems covering sickness and holidays! So what happens is the place closes for a few hours, very proffessional! Really advertises the airport as somewhere to do business! This is purely managments fault no one elses!
Peel hasn't delivered on promises, the managment team is poor and has been allowed to stay for far to long, yes the economic climate is tough but Peel and the managment team are using that as an excuse for their laziness and poor managment skills, its far to convienient!
If you want to cut cost get rid of the poor managment, or if they insist on staying cut their salaries, but I doubt they'll do that.
Also looking to where the jobs are likely to go one area is ATC. Well how can an airport attract airlines and business if they have too few ATC staff? We all know that the ATC unit has problems covering sickness and holidays! So what happens is the place closes for a few hours, very proffessional! Really advertises the airport as somewhere to do business! This is purely managments fault no one elses!
Peel hasn't delivered on promises, the managment team is poor and has been allowed to stay for far to long, yes the economic climate is tough but Peel and the managment team are using that as an excuse for their laziness and poor managment skills, its far to convienient!
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Standard Operating Procedure by failing management. Get rid of jobs ( always the low paid and not theirs ) Blame someone else.
New two tier operating procedures............Why? There is enough room in the airport for everyone to have their own check in and security search in a private room with two witnesses and their own valet. Has Kerry actually been inside the terminal recently? It is like a ghost town.
Get real and resign. Go before the meltdown and let someone else who actually cares have a go.
New two tier operating procedures............Why? There is enough room in the airport for everyone to have their own check in and security search in a private room with two witnesses and their own valet. Has Kerry actually been inside the terminal recently? It is like a ghost town.
Get real and resign. Go before the meltdown and let someone else who actually cares have a go.
Is it a ploy to close half of the terminal for the quieter season and therefore cut overheads. I heard a rumour about similar considerations for DSA but since Easyjet are starting it looks unlikely now.
I have always been skeptical of Peels intentions, i just hope that they are committed to MME in the long-haul and this is just a blip as i have always liked MME.
I have always been skeptical of Peels intentions, i just hope that they are committed to MME in the long-haul and this is just a blip as i have always liked MME.
Where do we start?
Going to be lots of dialague on this thread (as always) about the merits of Peel and DTV management.So will leave those threads alone for now.
But to take the 50/50 terminal first.
So I fly schedule to Amsterdam for £89..I get premium check in,al carte restaurant,WI FI HI Broadband,sauna and full body relaxing massage as part of my service?
I fly my family to The costas for two weeks and pay nearly £3500 and have to sit in a barn with no heating,roof or beer?
Think I will fly from Newcastle-where all are equal and the product is far superior in every way.
Good start to the new image...Cheers Peel/Kerry
But to take the 50/50 terminal first.
So I fly schedule to Amsterdam for £89..I get premium check in,al carte restaurant,WI FI HI Broadband,sauna and full body relaxing massage as part of my service?
I fly my family to The costas for two weeks and pay nearly £3500 and have to sit in a barn with no heating,roof or beer?
Think I will fly from Newcastle-where all are equal and the product is far superior in every way.
Good start to the new image...Cheers Peel/Kerry
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The company said up to 32 posts would go with the remaining 143 staff being trained to do additional jobs.
Director Kerry Quinn said the airport continued to have a viable future, but had to become "better and smarter."
N.b. by smarter I am not commenting on her ability to dress up for the TV interviews!
Onion
Excellent post
, I totally support your observations, though as the saying goes unfortunately "you will never get turkey's voting for Christmas!".
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So my view, for what its worth, is firstly very bad news re those who will loose their jobs at this time, we should all remember that hard working and dedicated people will soon be looking for work.
We have to be realistic that we are where we are whoevers fault it is, and yes they should be taking some of the fallout from this too but we know management rarely likes to discipline itself. Hugh is unlikely to punish the management team when he himself probably was part of the team that appointed them....anyway regardless of that, the new proposals are worth a try at least - we cannot get much lower than a 60-70% drop off in passengers. It will be interesting to see how the split terminal will work, and i know that highwide has already said he wouldnt like it.
The thing is many airports around the world now have low cost/charter only terminals, some airports just have one really good one and one rubbish one - like Munich for example - BA flies in and out of a bad terminal there in terms of look and amenities, go to the Lufthy terminal and its a much different story. As MME cant fill one terminal we cant offer two separate ones so a split one might be the answer.
I would think their proposals on WIFI, Dedicated Lounge and Speedy Security lanes and check in are the norm now in most airports with business/scheduled routes so by having this where the number of passengers is potentially fewer than a charter flight makes sense.
Eastern for example at Aberdeen & Southampton i think already has dedicated facilities and obviously large airports have airlines lounges and the like, so I think MME offering all Scheduled flights this option is actually quite clever because its something a bit different to a lot of other airports.
Am sure they arent going to make it uncomfortable for charter/low cost passengers who use MME, but more people means more space required and some of the amenities offered to a scheduled/business passenger might not take priority over seating and facilities a bigger population can use.
Will just have to wait and see.....although in this day and age WIFI should be available to all!!
Interesting i think the Northern Echo article mentions specifically that the airport is lining up a new route with an airline - other articles reference on going conversations with many airlines on routes but the Echo is a bit more specific - I wonder who..
Extract taken from online article:
"It comes as airport director Kerry Quinn, in a letter to stakeholders, said that DTV expected to announce scheduled flights by a new operator in the next few days"
We have to be realistic that we are where we are whoevers fault it is, and yes they should be taking some of the fallout from this too but we know management rarely likes to discipline itself. Hugh is unlikely to punish the management team when he himself probably was part of the team that appointed them....anyway regardless of that, the new proposals are worth a try at least - we cannot get much lower than a 60-70% drop off in passengers. It will be interesting to see how the split terminal will work, and i know that highwide has already said he wouldnt like it.
The thing is many airports around the world now have low cost/charter only terminals, some airports just have one really good one and one rubbish one - like Munich for example - BA flies in and out of a bad terminal there in terms of look and amenities, go to the Lufthy terminal and its a much different story. As MME cant fill one terminal we cant offer two separate ones so a split one might be the answer.
I would think their proposals on WIFI, Dedicated Lounge and Speedy Security lanes and check in are the norm now in most airports with business/scheduled routes so by having this where the number of passengers is potentially fewer than a charter flight makes sense.
Eastern for example at Aberdeen & Southampton i think already has dedicated facilities and obviously large airports have airlines lounges and the like, so I think MME offering all Scheduled flights this option is actually quite clever because its something a bit different to a lot of other airports.
Am sure they arent going to make it uncomfortable for charter/low cost passengers who use MME, but more people means more space required and some of the amenities offered to a scheduled/business passenger might not take priority over seating and facilities a bigger population can use.
Will just have to wait and see.....although in this day and age WIFI should be available to all!!
Interesting i think the Northern Echo article mentions specifically that the airport is lining up a new route with an airline - other articles reference on going conversations with many airlines on routes but the Echo is a bit more specific - I wonder who..
Extract taken from online article:
"It comes as airport director Kerry Quinn, in a letter to stakeholders, said that DTV expected to announce scheduled flights by a new operator in the next few days"
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I can't see that promoting one side of terminal as a glorified business lounge is actually going to achieve much at all. A nice PR stunt though, but in reality in creating a "two class" terminal, then one is more likely to hack off those that are denied access, this would be particularly prevalent at checkin / security where such preference was "in the face" of those denied access. The key failing of this is that you are denying choice to all your customers, by segregating the facility to "flight no.".
To relax the restriction & open up to all flights & you have effectively reverted back to the standard premium business pax. / business lounge concept in existence at all airports.
I really wonder who (though I can guess!
) dreamed this up? From another direction then more service increases costs ! & who is to pay ?
The reality is that the "convenience " factors i.e. choice of destination, frequency & flight timings are all that matter. Growth / volume pax are what are needed and inadvertently marketing a "second class" service will only aggravate the situation further.
To relax the restriction & open up to all flights & you have effectively reverted back to the standard premium business pax. / business lounge concept in existence at all airports.
I really wonder who (though I can guess!
) dreamed this up? From another direction then more service increases costs ! & who is to pay ? The reality is that the "convenience " factors i.e. choice of destination, frequency & flight timings are all that matter. Growth / volume pax are what are needed and inadvertently marketing a "second class" service will only aggravate the situation further.
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Call me stupid but not you need flights to fill two terminals? Talk about a waste of money from an airport already seriously struggling!
This is effectively the beginning of the end for MME. Rather than excite pax and attract more, it will further confuse and disengage the local population who will be driven to NCL and LBA.
What Peel have announced is simply a mothballing of part of the terminal and a recognition that the aiport cannot sustain year round charter and low cost services.
It is a downsizing exercise that sadly will never be reversed once the 'separation' begins.
P.S These so called 'premium' pax to SOU, ABZ and AMS I am sure will have been well and truely put off by the recent snow debacle and no doubt will be booking from LBA and NCL in the near future.
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This is effectively the beginning of the end for MME. Rather than excite pax and attract more, it will further confuse and disengage the local population who will be driven to NCL and LBA.
What Peel have announced is simply a mothballing of part of the terminal and a recognition that the aiport cannot sustain year round charter and low cost services.
It is a downsizing exercise that sadly will never be reversed once the 'separation' begins.
P.S These so called 'premium' pax to SOU, ABZ and AMS I am sure will have been well and truely put off by the recent snow debacle and no doubt will be booking from LBA and NCL in the near future.
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What airline or airlines could be on there way if any after recent talks according to kerry quinn? Aer arran rumour very strong and a london link is also much needed, any rumours?
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Hmm, Dublin is the most likely in my opinion, but if it is DUB, you kno what will happen - Mr O'Leary will return, force RE off the route, then drop it themselves.