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Old 9th Feb 2013, 22:22
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The Travelexchange thing has closed yes, although the ATM seems to still work, not that that makes a lot of difference.

The air show has received a lifeline, there are two possible options, 'long-shots' is the wrong word, 'delicate' is probably the best way to describe the funding situation. Deadline day is Tuesday PM as the RAF need a definite yay or nay on Wednesday so they can allocate assets. It's also worth mentioning that the RAF display teams have suffered heavily this year at the hands of cost-cutting, there will be no Hawk, King Air or Tornado role demo this year, possibly no Tutor either, having said that, the general feeling is civvy display teams are just as good and there will still be a significant RAF presence should it go ahead.

Also, should the funding not become available, the air show won't be cancelled per se, just postponed until 2014.
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 19:00
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Brussels from DTV ?

Tried once before..but seeing as newcastle has lost the service..any mileage in contacting Eastern again >? maybe a code share with SN using the EMB aircraft for a twice a day service? Peel need to contact and up the ante??? if there are circa 5K passengers a month surely profits are there to be made...If newcastle are sleeping now is the time to strike????
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 22:06
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Wasn't it Eastern that tried Brussels some subsidy from Europe.

The Belgian's started the flights to other airports with Brazillia's.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 18:59
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Shambles at DTV

stop me if you have heard it all before.

On a day that the the only bright spot of 2013 has gone(THE AIRSHOW)

the airport with only not a lot(lets be honest) of snow has closed until late tonight..we must ask the question how can any operator have any confidence in the the operation of the place?? KLM cancelled all flights Eastern operating from Newcastle(who have managed to keep going).

I know we all want the place to succeed but really its time for questions to be asked..

1)are Peel committed? if so..do it now!!!! (commit..not be committed)
2)what plans are on the table for 2013/2014 ?
3)Help !!
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 07:04
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The Eastern J41 landed atTeesside at about 2100, just after the airport reopened on the 13th
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:08
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High wide......

What about a few weeks ago when DTVA remained open & Newcastle was snow closed.......

The snow the other day at DTVA was horrendous, you can't blame the airport for closing when the white stuff falls from the sky as much as it did.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:30
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It underlines the need for the airport.
We had nearly a million passengers five years ago. The population hasnít changed and in terms of aviation demand, yet here we are down at 160,000.
The recovery potential is massive.
Is the key point that the five million passengers was not sustainably profitable? Globespan and BMI Baby couldn't get a decent return so I don't understand what's going to be different going forward? Not every local area needs a local airport, this is a uniquely British conceit.

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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:37
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That's one million five years ago...

Points the same though, doesn't matter how many, it won't last if you can't make any money out of them.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 16:39
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Snow

the problem becomes operational confidence..who is going to commit to the airport if they cant even guarantee enough bodies(due to cuts) for the right amount of staff or equipment?

its not just snow - mentioned previously has been the ILS-only category 1 , again no one is going to put faith in the airport if they cant guarantee movements 24hrs.

its a chicken and egg situation im afraid? rather then Peel asking for 7 million or whatever for a freight terminal...spend it on operational infrastructure first? Show the region they mean business with this airport while its still possible..
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 17:06
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Neither bmibaby nor Globespan left MME because they weren't making money, they were. bmibaby left because the airport wouldn't lower their already heavily discounted fees and they later regretted it and Globespan were a Scottish airline that decided, unsurprisingly, that they wanted to concentrate on Scotland.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 17:56
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Globespan were a Scottish airline that decided, unsurprisingly, that they wanted to concentrate on Scotland.
And Liverpool ... and Manchester, if memory serves me well.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 22:38
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They pulled out of those two at the same time or maybe even before us
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Old 16th Feb 2013, 01:41
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Not every local area needs a local airport, this is a uniquely British conceit
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Off topic, SOE but haven't you been reading about the Spanish airports on here?

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Old 16th Feb 2013, 11:23
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Depends entirely on what was applied for and what is granted. The fact that the company applying also operates an airport could be irrelevant if the development being funded meets its objectives.

On a related note, wasn't the planning permission for the South side restricted to aviation related activities or has that been changed.
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Old 16th Feb 2013, 16:36
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South side still has to be for aviation-related purposes only, but it wouldn't matter if it didn't as there are deeds on the land that state the airport must remain. Plus Peel boss John Whittaker bought DTVA back from the Canadians with the intention of running it as an airport.

To be honest, this whole conspiracy thing is getting a bit boring now, it's been said time and again that they no longer want the airport for the land (they even admit themselves that they used to)
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Old 16th Feb 2013, 18:54
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So they were not telling the truth before I take it? I thought the canadians didnt want DTV?
I hope they dont put some of the parent companies wind turbines on the site which was mentioned a while ago in the pub.
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Old 19th Feb 2013, 09:06
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Thumbs down Latest passenger figures

Just been released and offers up more bad news.

Total pax down 4.8% (12050) for year down 11.9 %

I asked a few posts ago if the Easy jet AMS from Newcastle might have an effect on our AMS KLM figs. ?? the answer appears to be a resounding yes...

Down 12% on last month compared to Newcastle up 17% !!

Spin-KLM-DTV remember?

also a little worryingly the only other route we have to Aberdeen is also down a massive 12%(NCL up 24%) so routes now also identical for passengers carried.

I know we had cancellations(why ?) and poor weather(equipment/staff/wrong type of snow) But we cant always rely upon FODTV..

Look forward to the next installment of Peels plan...
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Old 19th Feb 2013, 09:23
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highwide - yes the MME-AMS route is down 12% during January in terms of passenger numbers, but the number of flights operated is down 17%. This is because of KL operating a reduced service in the 1st week of January and also because of lousy weather later in the month. Passengers per KL flight operated seem slightly increased which is to be expected when number of flights reduces. It is quite possible that come Easter and warmer months, we may start to see leisure passengers transferring custom from KLM to Easyjet at Newcastle

I agree that the increase on NCL-ABZ versus a decrease on MME-ABZ is concerning.

If you look at the Fodtva website you can go through all the records of which flights operated and when, including diversions.

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Old 19th Feb 2013, 10:14
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Question And the reason is..

Quote yes the MME-AMS route is down 12% during January in terms of passenger numbers, but the number of flights operated is down 17%. This is because of KL operating a reduced service in the 1st week of January and also because of lousy weather later in the month.

thats what I hinted at..why a reduced frequency..obvious answer..no demand?

lousy weather...again..staffing/equipment to clear or wrong snow?

I know a lot of guys try quite rightly to defend the operation of the airport..my argument is Peel need to put more resources of all kinds in to help these people.Air show would have been a start! They have to show the mean business-no ?
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Old 19th Feb 2013, 10:31
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Jan 1st was a Tuesday. Plenty of large corporates were operating at reduced staffing levels until Friday 4 Jan. The KL schedule resumed as normal on Mon 7 January. Some of the weather cancellations were because of snow at Amsterdam, and flights to Leeds diverted into MME.

Yes, Teesside should have lots of snow kit to show it means business, but for a few days of snow per year, the extra passenger revenues do not justify the capital expenditure, particularly when other airports close as well.

If I wanted to go from Darlington to Amsterdam any date in January or February, my first choice airport would be Newcastle, regardless of how much noise MME make about snow kit - nobody would believe MME's claim of resiliency matching an airport 25 times the size

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