DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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All good points David, I seem to remember that Gill Airways operated a range of routes from MME, including Paris (I think) at one stage.
There will be extreme difficulty attracting airlines of any sort with total traffic at under 200,00 pax annually. Newcastle has been experiencing this problem since its yearly pax figure dropped below 5,000,000. This is the magic figure that seems to attract new operators. It places an airport in a new category of size and growth prospects.
There will be extreme difficulty attracting airlines of any sort with total traffic at under 200,00 pax annually. Newcastle has been experiencing this problem since its yearly pax figure dropped below 5,000,000. This is the magic figure that seems to attract new operators. It places an airport in a new category of size and growth prospects.
There was a short time in the 1980s that MME had one more schedule departure a day than NEW. Postcard will vouch for that. However the ratio of charters was 4:1 in NEW's favour. The MME management did nothing until it was too late.
One MME MD is on record as saying that he would never allow locos to use MME as they were a flash in the pan.
Then the council gift the airport to a property developer and are surprised that said company run the business down almost to extinction.
With that sort of management the present situation is inevitable. I feel for the staff who must feel that they are banging their heads against a brick wall.
One MME MD is on record as saying that he would never allow locos to use MME as they were a flash in the pan.
Then the council gift the airport to a property developer and are surprised that said company run the business down almost to extinction.
With that sort of management the present situation is inevitable. I feel for the staff who must feel that they are banging their heads against a brick wall.
Agreed - masonic conspiracies? Think its time to put up or shut up, getting a bit bored of the Peel bashing. If you've evidence of corruption, do something about it.
This is a more interesting comment - does anybody know how this case did end up? I've looked and can't find anything.
Also find this a bit surprising - 80's is before my time in the North East, does anybody have more details?
Also, answering my own point - didn't baby do MME-CDG for a while, and there may have been a short-lived stop at MME on the Gill/AF NCL-CDG (or was that HUY?)
Did Peel receive the BMI millions in compensation for pulling out, or hasn't the appeal been settled yet?
There was a short time in the 1980s that MME had one more schedule departure a day than NEW.
Also, answering my own point - didn't baby do MME-CDG for a while, and there may have been a short-lived stop at MME on the Gill/AF NCL-CDG (or was that HUY?)
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BMI Baby time table 2005 lists 3 return flights per week, outbound MME-CDG WW4883 dep 14:45 arr 17:15 and inbound CDG-MME WW4884 dep 18:00 arr 18:30
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SWBKCB you are right Gill did operate a CDG from MME for a while and although it didn't last long the service was slowly building up. If my memory is right the figures were in region of 35-40% load factor on the service on the ATR 42 when it was pulled.
Get Me Some Traffic will be right about the schedule departures as if you know of him or postcard you'll know that they are in a position to comment on such things with some authority!
I'm not going to comment on the masons but I will add to the conspiracies by pointing out that Durham Council on a few occasions blocked/tried to block efforts to improve MME! While holding a stake in NCL!!!
Get Me Some Traffic will be right about the schedule departures as if you know of him or postcard you'll know that they are in a position to comment on such things with some authority!
I'm not going to comment on the masons but I will add to the conspiracies by pointing out that Durham Council on a few occasions blocked/tried to block efforts to improve MME! While holding a stake in NCL!!!
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GMSTF does occasionally talk some sense!!!
MME did for a couple of years have more UK schedules than Newcastle.Casair ,Genair etc operated quite a network for a short period of time.
However as we discussed many times ,for what ever reason, nothing ever seemed to stick route wise and not for the want of trying,fell by the way side.
I often wondered what would have happened if Gill had set up there instead of Newcastle.
As I see it nothing has changed,NV will always be in the shadow of NT and the future if there is to be one, probably lies in the service industry(FRL Cobhams)scrapping and GA.
The worry will come if FRL or Cobhams loose military contracts through no fault of theirs and a guaranteed 2 million annually goes from inward revenue ?
The aviation industry has changed big time in the last few years and will continue (in my opinion)to contract or remain static especially in the NE of the country,while the London area(and NW) grows.
GMSTF...(hope all well) and stick to the music industry!!!
MME did for a couple of years have more UK schedules than Newcastle.Casair ,Genair etc operated quite a network for a short period of time.
However as we discussed many times ,for what ever reason, nothing ever seemed to stick route wise and not for the want of trying,fell by the way side.
I often wondered what would have happened if Gill had set up there instead of Newcastle.
As I see it nothing has changed,NV will always be in the shadow of NT and the future if there is to be one, probably lies in the service industry(FRL Cobhams)scrapping and GA.
The worry will come if FRL or Cobhams loose military contracts through no fault of theirs and a guaranteed 2 million annually goes from inward revenue ?
The aviation industry has changed big time in the last few years and will continue (in my opinion)to contract or remain static especially in the NE of the country,while the London area(and NW) grows.
GMSTF...(hope all well) and stick to the music industry!!!
Green shoots-nope !!
after the excitement of November figures..its back to normal for December!!
For the year end... movements down 17.9% pax down 13.4% on 2011
Worryingly Aberdeen -14% on last December
Amsterdam +2% good except its only 156 passengers on the month thats what..2 passengers per flight departing or 1 each way...and one of those was my mate who was delayed 2 hours!! So much for the spin from KLM and the airport !!
Not really sure what 2013 holds but Peel must have some very understanding(or ignorant to the facts) shareholders!! unless of course they have other plans......
For the year end... movements down 17.9% pax down 13.4% on 2011
Worryingly Aberdeen -14% on last December
Amsterdam +2% good except its only 156 passengers on the month thats what..2 passengers per flight departing or 1 each way...and one of those was my mate who was delayed 2 hours!! So much for the spin from KLM and the airport !!
Not really sure what 2013 holds but Peel must have some very understanding(or ignorant to the facts) shareholders!! unless of course they have other plans......
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highwideandugly - what spin from KLM and the airport? The route is doing well, a 2-3 passengers per flight increase is what was targeted by both parties and my sources tell me it has in fact earned us a fourth daily rotation from April - just a rumour I must add therefore take with a pinch of salt, nor is there anything on the KLM website, but the source is usually good.
And for the umpteenth and final time, Peel no longer have "other plans", used to yes - even they themselves admit that
And for the umpteenth and final time, Peel no longer have "other plans", used to yes - even they themselves admit that
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I still say that, in spite of what some think, that KLM and the airport don't push the flights publicly.
Business people who I know regularly fly across the North Sea to join flights to many parts of the world, but the general public still seem to think that you have to fly from NCL, MAN or even Heathrow.
They need to shout louder.
Business people who I know regularly fly across the North Sea to join flights to many parts of the world, but the general public still seem to think that you have to fly from NCL, MAN or even Heathrow.
They need to shout louder.
highwideandugly - what spin from KLM and the airport?
http://www.durhamteesvalleyairport.c...assenger-boost
Spin
A more general definition - more accentuating the positive rather than lying, so seems like an appropriate description
The methods and activities employed to establish and promote a favourable relationship with the public.
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Ok then, so you're suggesting they shouldn't do that?! You think they should go out there and say "Well the situation's f***ed but hey let's smile and hope for the best"??
Blimey, what a chippy bunch! Merely pointing out that spinning isn't lying - of course I expect press releases to only include good news.
I'd probably also mention that if they were planning to lunch an extra flight as soon as April, this might be have been a good opportunity to mention it but I'd probably get my head bitten off for that as well.
Getting back to the "news" - another Regional Development fund bid going in (Yes, NA1 - Peels hand back in the tax payers pocket - just thought I'd save you the effort....).
Durham Tees Valley Airport to launch new growth fund bid (From The Northern Echo)
This is an interesting quote - wasn't the planning permission for the South Side restricted to aviation related businesses, or has that been changed?
I'd probably also mention that if they were planning to lunch an extra flight as soon as April, this might be have been a good opportunity to mention it but I'd probably get my head bitten off for that as well.
Getting back to the "news" - another Regional Development fund bid going in (Yes, NA1 - Peels hand back in the tax payers pocket - just thought I'd save you the effort....).
Durham Tees Valley Airport to launch new growth fund bid (From The Northern Echo)
This is an interesting quote - wasn't the planning permission for the South Side restricted to aviation related businesses, or has that been changed?
Whilst there are a wide range of possibilities for attracting businesses related to aviation support activities, we expect that a likely key element in the development would be logistics services, given the proximity to the A66, leading to the A1 and the national motorway network
All quiet, so just a reminder that it could have been worse - never understood how he managed to get as far as he did (and to the credit of MME, always seemed to keep him at arms length!)
Airline fraudster Victor Bassey finally facing deportation (From The Northern Echo)
Airline fraudster Victor Bassey finally facing deportation (From The Northern Echo)
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Peel news
I only ask as they made this cargo announcement about the other Peel airport down the road a few days ago.
Cargo Growth for South Yorkshire's Airport - The Peel Group
Cargo Growth for South Yorkshire's Airport
Tuesday, 15 January 2013
Doncaster Sheffield Airport is on target to record a three hundred per cent increase in its cargo figures for the year March 2012 - March 2013, bosses announced today.
The airport, which last year boosted its cargo offering by developing a number of strategic partnerships, is forecasting moving in excess of 400 tonnes of cargo by the year end.
Steve Gill, managing director said: "We made a number of decisions last year which have already started to pay off in terms of our cargo offering.
"Cargo is seen as a catalyst for developing the region's logistics presence and putting Doncaster firmly on the map as a can do location and centre of excellence for logistics
"Working with two key operators, who are now based on site at the airport, Anglo World Cargo, experts in the freight industry and Weston Aviation, who have a proven track record for attracting business aviation, cargo flights and ad-hoc charters, we have been able to attract more companies to use this fantastic South Yorkshire facility."
Working in partnership with both these operators DSA is now providing a product that is both facilitating and developing the movement of freight to and from the Yorkshire, Humber and Midlands regions.
"We have one clear objective - to develop a cargo product which will allow the partners, the airport, businesses in the region and the region itself to develop business in this sector.
"This partnership has seen one billion pounds worth of goods pass through the airport in the last six months alone.
"Our facility has already been welcomed positively in the marketplace as a viable contender to other major freight airports within the UK," added Steve.
The airport's Cargo Terminal consists of 50.000 sq. ft. of operational space and is equipped with the latest cargo handling equipment. This, coupled with the airport's 2893m runway, means that Anglo World Cargo have the ability to handle all aspects of airfreight from the smallest parcel to bespoke charters of the largest cargo aircraft, up to and including Antonov-225's.
"Cargo is a real growth area for us and we are determined to build on this success. Future developments such as the Finningley and Rossington Regeneration Route Scheme (FARRRS), a direct link road to the motorway network means that soon the airport will be even more accessible.
"The FARRRS project will add further weight to the proposition and will create a fantastic multimodal facility with road, rail, air and sea coming together.
"We've always seen Air Freight as a major part of the airports strategy and are delighted by our new partners' proactive and dedicated approach.
"Whilst the economy continues to be challenging nationally, we believe we can offer the marketplace a cost effective and flexible solution to moving airfreight in and out of the UK. In addition, we look forward to working with the Sheffield City Region's successful manufacturing and logistics sector to help local businesses export effectively."
Cargo Growth for South Yorkshire's Airport - The Peel Group
Cargo Growth for South Yorkshire's Airport
Tuesday, 15 January 2013
Doncaster Sheffield Airport is on target to record a three hundred per cent increase in its cargo figures for the year March 2012 - March 2013, bosses announced today.
The airport, which last year boosted its cargo offering by developing a number of strategic partnerships, is forecasting moving in excess of 400 tonnes of cargo by the year end.
Steve Gill, managing director said: "We made a number of decisions last year which have already started to pay off in terms of our cargo offering.
"Cargo is seen as a catalyst for developing the region's logistics presence and putting Doncaster firmly on the map as a can do location and centre of excellence for logistics
"Working with two key operators, who are now based on site at the airport, Anglo World Cargo, experts in the freight industry and Weston Aviation, who have a proven track record for attracting business aviation, cargo flights and ad-hoc charters, we have been able to attract more companies to use this fantastic South Yorkshire facility."
Working in partnership with both these operators DSA is now providing a product that is both facilitating and developing the movement of freight to and from the Yorkshire, Humber and Midlands regions.
"We have one clear objective - to develop a cargo product which will allow the partners, the airport, businesses in the region and the region itself to develop business in this sector.
"This partnership has seen one billion pounds worth of goods pass through the airport in the last six months alone.
"Our facility has already been welcomed positively in the marketplace as a viable contender to other major freight airports within the UK," added Steve.
The airport's Cargo Terminal consists of 50.000 sq. ft. of operational space and is equipped with the latest cargo handling equipment. This, coupled with the airport's 2893m runway, means that Anglo World Cargo have the ability to handle all aspects of airfreight from the smallest parcel to bespoke charters of the largest cargo aircraft, up to and including Antonov-225's.
"Cargo is a real growth area for us and we are determined to build on this success. Future developments such as the Finningley and Rossington Regeneration Route Scheme (FARRRS), a direct link road to the motorway network means that soon the airport will be even more accessible.
"The FARRRS project will add further weight to the proposition and will create a fantastic multimodal facility with road, rail, air and sea coming together.
"We've always seen Air Freight as a major part of the airports strategy and are delighted by our new partners' proactive and dedicated approach.
"Whilst the economy continues to be challenging nationally, we believe we can offer the marketplace a cost effective and flexible solution to moving airfreight in and out of the UK. In addition, we look forward to working with the Sheffield City Region's successful manufacturing and logistics sector to help local businesses export effectively."
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