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Old 21st Jun 2012, 21:23
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Not suprised really. Iberia have also dropped MAN-MAD as well.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:00
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Not a surprise really. The base never ever made a positive contribution to easyJet results. They should not have opened it at the first place...

Low costs at network carriers hub rarely make money (except U2 at CDG because of AIRFRANCE non sense, or Ryanair at DUB vs. a previously very weak EI), contrary when entering rich secondary cities (GVA, MIL, BCN, BER etc). Plus low yield market, plus most competitive hub airport in Europe with Ryanair AND easyJet plus IB express and Vueling, plus internal mistakes (some ridiculous routes such as BOD, SOF, or OTP; bad revenue management with all their VFR or summer only routes always sold out 2 weeks before departure), plus the environment (e.g. arab spring killed their good morocan routes), plus future taxes increase etc etc

Re-SEN, they won't switch aircraft from underperforming bases to underperforming bases. It will go to their good countries where competition is weak and corporate demand strong i.e. France (probably 3 or 4 ac), Italy (2) and Swiss (1 each for BSL/GVA). I doubt the UK will get any.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:06
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Who knows. Could be anywhere

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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:17
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If the UK gets any then that undermines the APD Tax argument.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:33
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h&s - you mention that LCCs rarely make money at network carrier hubs.
While not strictly a hub, British Airways has for many many years been a major player at London Gatwick - until the sale in 2007 of GB Airways to Easyjet, British Airways was the dominant airline at Gatwick. While BA like all airlines has had its good and bad years, it would be difficult to describe it pre 2007 as a particularly weak or badly managed airline

Using your argument, how did Easyjet manage to make money at Gatwick pre 2007 ?

In addition, how does Norwegian manage to compete out of Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm ? Air Berlin at Dusseldorf, Munich or Zurich ? Niki (now AB) at Vienna ?

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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:43
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If the UK gets any then that undermines the APD Tax argument.
The biggest problem with APD is that it makes marginal routes and bases that bit more marginal.

More successful hubs will ride the storm and consolidation is inevitable.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 12:09
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DWLPL at no point has the APD argument come with a commitment not to base extra aircraft in the UK. I am pretty sure that the UK will see some of MAD's aircraft.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 12:15
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Easyflyer, any idea what UK base will get an extra a/c or two?

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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 12:23
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Surely BFS is in line for an extra a/c. EI pulling out alows them to start a TFS/ACE and there is lower APD there.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 12:47
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I hope so second dog, more than likely would have to be a 320 aswell.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 12:49
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BFS A320

Does anyone know when the based A320 will arrive at BFS? It was meant to arrive on June 20th but hasn't so far?
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 13:02
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Is Southend likely to get any more aircraft?
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 13:07
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at no point has the APD argument come with a commitment not to base extra aircraft in the UK

ďThe rise in APD hits regional airports hardest and increases the pressure to move aircraft to mainland Europe. The Government seems to think that APD is a free lunch. It isnít; it costs jobs in the UK.Ē - 2009
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 13:23
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Is that an explicit commitment or a mere comment made 3 years ago? You could even argue that MAN isn't a regional airport in that sense. Either way, the Continent has been lucrative for Easyjet but it's not without it's problems as we have seen this week.

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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 13:24
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That quote merely reiterates what has already been raised on this read, that aircraft may be be moved from marginal, regional bases if APD makes those routes and bases more marginal.

There's nothing in that old statement which precludes aircraft being moved to profitable routes in the UK and to bases within the UK where APD has had less of a negative impact.

I'm thinking MAN and LGW specifically.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 13:45
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Does anyone know when the based A320 will arrive at BFS? It was meant to
arrive on June 20th but hasn't so far?
Hi David, I dont know the answer to your question but my understanding is that it was intended for the peak summer months of July and August. So I would imagine from 1st of July.

I have noticed a fair amount of 320 activity by EZY lately. Many London flights have had 320 particulary around Christmas and Bank Holidays times. The early Glasgow arrival in the morning seems to be 320 some of the time and I think it has been making an appearance from NCL and LTN.

The 320 goes GLA-BFS-GLA-ALC-GLA some of the days as far as I know.
but alas not a based one at BFS.
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 14:08
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The A320 gets around the network widely now. Whilst still very much outnumbered by the A319, there are still almost 50 in the fleet.

MAN an LGW are 320 heavy and ORY is all 320. Most UK bases have atleast one 320 and whilst they are predicated on the long distance routes, they do also operate the shorter hops aswell.
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Old 24th Jun 2012, 21:25
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Is Southend likely to get any more aircraft?
I imagine it will once the new terminal there has been extended sometime towards the end of 2013 for summer 2014. The stands are ready though
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Old 26th Jun 2012, 14:25
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EZY A320's

Below is a near accurate list of all the EZY bases.


EZY
EZY currently have 146x A319 and 44x A320.
LGW - 21x A320 (Around 22-27? A319 (+1 that N/S in BCN))
LTN - 3x A320 (Usually 13x A319 (+1 that N/S in DTM))
BRS - 2x A320 (9x A319)
LPL - 1x A320 (8x A319)
SXF - 1x A320 (7x A319)
ORY - 6x A320
MAN - 4x A320 (2x A319)
BFS - 1x A320 (5x A319)
EDI - 2x A320 (3x A319)
GLA - 1x A320 (3x A319)
NCL - 1x A320 (2x A319)
NCE - 1x A320 (1x A319)

The following are the bases with no A320's based:
MXP - 17x A319 (+1 that N/S in NAP)
CDG - 10x A319
STN - 9x A319
MAD - 8x A319
FCO - 4x A319 (+1 that N/S in PMO)
LYS - 4x A319
SEN - 3x A319
LIS - 2x A319
TLS - 2x A319


EZS
EZS currently have 15x A319 and 5x A320.
GVA - 3x A320 (10x A319)
BSL - 2x A320 (5x A319)

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Old 26th Jun 2012, 15:03
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NCL is 1x a320 and 2x a319 not 1x a319
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