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It now appears on the Flybe website, with a big moving display and a news item on the Exeter - Hanover new route "through-running" Newcastle. (that's a new phrase to me) another news item is on the site if you go to news release section for December.
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QR
Hi Chris 1001, no, I dont think you are the only one who thinks QR would be a possibility for a future route ex NCL. They are slowely building up their network, and have an excellant onward layout, with several destinations not yet served from DXB with EK, such as Amritsar, Goa, Kathmandu and Cebu. The new Doha International Airport will open in the next few years, and they are the sort of company which is very competative, and will nurture a route until it builds up over time. They are very patient!! They dont have any restrictions either on which airports in the UK they can fly into so its not pie in the sky. I think they to would do very well as they would serve lots of different types of market on the one flight aswell as lots of cargo potential too. Much better having something like this rather than a Ryanair base. We shall see eh?
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Whilst it is certainly not an impossibility that NCL could see a service from QR I personally think EDI and BHX would be well ahead in the pecking order, EDI because it is the biggest UK airport without a Middle East connection and BHX because of its huge demand for ATQ and demand outstripping supply on the connections that are available (hence Mahan using 747s on their route from BHX to Tehran which connects to ATQ). I think it will be a long while before NCL sees QR and remember there also are a number of major European hubs not served by QR (DUS, CPH come to mind) that in terms of front end yield would come well above all NCL, BHX or EDI!
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ncl-hel ??
With easyjet adding a lot of routes from HEL.
What are the chances of flybe using there Q400's say 3x weekly from ncl-hel
Do u think this route could work has somebody else tried it before?
What are the chances of flybe using there Q400's say 3x weekly from ncl-hel
Do u think this route could work has somebody else tried it before?
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Routes we have lost?
Was thinking of the routes we have lost over the last 10 years are so. Was thinking we could make a list of them here and then decide between us all which airlines would be best suitable for the airport to go after to get these routes back?? some of the routes maybe charter routes but maybe a tour operator may re-start them. If anybody has the data maybe the monthly load % or pax maybe good also.
Here is my list of what i can remember.
Athens
Berlin
Budapest
Oslo
Milan
Prague
Cologne
Munich
Shannon
Almeria
Krakow
Valencia
Here is my list of what i can remember.
Athens
Berlin
Budapest
Oslo
Milan
Prague
Cologne
Munich
Shannon
Almeria
Krakow
Valencia
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Exactly, I don't believe people won't fly if the fare is more than £20 but obviously getting the balance right between selling seats and making a profit, or at least not making a loss is tricky. I'd love to see Prague and Berlin return, both are great places to visit, maybe there is not enough demand for a daily service but I think if it is priced and equally importantly timed right they would both work.
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I wonder if easyjet hadnt followed Jet2 onto the krakow route i wonder if we would still have had that route today??
Im sure flybe said they were looking at hanover and berlin so hopefully flybe may pick up the berlin maybe 3x weekly??
I think our only hope of getting Krakow back is jet2 having another go which i doubt they will?
Maybe FR or Wizz may pick up the route along with Prague and Budapest 3x weekly maybe?
Im sure flybe said they were looking at hanover and berlin so hopefully flybe may pick up the berlin maybe 3x weekly??
I think our only hope of getting Krakow back is jet2 having another go which i doubt they will?
Maybe FR or Wizz may pick up the route along with Prague and Budapest 3x weekly maybe?
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The "Routes We Have Lost" list does indeed make quite sad reading, including as it does, major cities and capitals which many regional airports in the UK now take for granted.
It is also particularly annoying that some have gone for spurious reasons. We lost the link to Milan because Ryanair thought Manchester would be more rewarding (what a mistake that turned out to be) and I still to this day cannot believe that Berlin and Krakow were losing EasyJet vast sums of cash. The timings were played around with on the former route and going head to head with Jet 2 on the latter seemed just plain silly.
One poster says that yields may not have been high. This could indeed be true, these airlines are not charities, but I sincerely believe that most would happily pay an extra ten or fifteen pounds as a starting price if they could fly from their local airport and avoid having to waste time (and money by the time you buy a drink, paper and snack) changing somewhere. Certain quarters in EasyJet management just seem to subscribe to the flat cap and whippet image of the North East and think that only "bucket and spade" routes will be economically viable. Don't get me wrong, such routes are needed and to be valued, but EasyJet should realise there is a market for 3 or possibly 4 flights a week to PRG, SXF or KRK.
As for Ryanair, I don't particularly yearn for a base at NCL but it would be great to have them fly to us from some of their existing bases. BGY was doing reasonably well even with appalling timings, the loss of the ferries to Scandinavia means that a genuine cheap flight from Rygge would probably do well and SNN was never given the chance become established and grow. Though I do doubt that the end of the love affair with Shannon means we will never have cheap weekends in Limerick.
So airport management could either have a gentle word in EasyJet's or Ryanair's shell like or perhaps pursue FlyBe to expand routes in Germany. Air Berlin might be worth talking to or perhaps even Lufthansa who are apparently happy with yields from DUS. MUC would be a nice re-addition to the list of destinations. I also think management should have a chat with Wizzair bearing in mind Central and Eastern Europe are not actually underserved but no longer served at all.
NCL has in my opinion huge, glaring gaps in large chunks of Europe. Relying on one airline would be a mistake and expecting daily flights to any of the "lost" destinations would also be an error of judgement. What, if anything, is NCL's management doing to attract new airlines such as AB or Wizz or develop further relationships with Flybe, Ryanair or EasyJet?
It is also particularly annoying that some have gone for spurious reasons. We lost the link to Milan because Ryanair thought Manchester would be more rewarding (what a mistake that turned out to be) and I still to this day cannot believe that Berlin and Krakow were losing EasyJet vast sums of cash. The timings were played around with on the former route and going head to head with Jet 2 on the latter seemed just plain silly.
One poster says that yields may not have been high. This could indeed be true, these airlines are not charities, but I sincerely believe that most would happily pay an extra ten or fifteen pounds as a starting price if they could fly from their local airport and avoid having to waste time (and money by the time you buy a drink, paper and snack) changing somewhere. Certain quarters in EasyJet management just seem to subscribe to the flat cap and whippet image of the North East and think that only "bucket and spade" routes will be economically viable. Don't get me wrong, such routes are needed and to be valued, but EasyJet should realise there is a market for 3 or possibly 4 flights a week to PRG, SXF or KRK.
As for Ryanair, I don't particularly yearn for a base at NCL but it would be great to have them fly to us from some of their existing bases. BGY was doing reasonably well even with appalling timings, the loss of the ferries to Scandinavia means that a genuine cheap flight from Rygge would probably do well and SNN was never given the chance become established and grow. Though I do doubt that the end of the love affair with Shannon means we will never have cheap weekends in Limerick.
So airport management could either have a gentle word in EasyJet's or Ryanair's shell like or perhaps pursue FlyBe to expand routes in Germany. Air Berlin might be worth talking to or perhaps even Lufthansa who are apparently happy with yields from DUS. MUC would be a nice re-addition to the list of destinations. I also think management should have a chat with Wizzair bearing in mind Central and Eastern Europe are not actually underserved but no longer served at all.
NCL has in my opinion huge, glaring gaps in large chunks of Europe. Relying on one airline would be a mistake and expecting daily flights to any of the "lost" destinations would also be an error of judgement. What, if anything, is NCL's management doing to attract new airlines such as AB or Wizz or develop further relationships with Flybe, Ryanair or EasyJet?
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BOH Bournemouth?
Any potential in a Bournemouth service?
Is there any VFR traffic?
Would it only be summer based holiday traffic?
Im sure no business traffic, but perhaps VFR...
Is there any VFR traffic?
Would it only be summer based holiday traffic?
Im sure no business traffic, but perhaps VFR...
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BOH used to be part of a "bus-stop service by Dan Air. Before the BA takeover the next route to be operated was Gothenburg I believe.
I think the airport should be chasing up an OSLO link with Wideroe/SAS/Flybe/Norwegian.
Lufthansa said recently that they would be looking at further routes from NCL, now is the time to be following it up. A route to FRA would be good to link up with the Star Alliance network.
AB might be interested in serving Berlin, Hamburg, Munich
Flybe said they were looking to serve Germany and Scandinavia from NCL, Hannover is the first step.
Germany and Scandinavia are both markets that can produce strong incoming traffic to NCL.
Jet 2 effectively knocked Wideroe off the Bergen route, then abandoned it...Wideroe would still probably be growing the route.
Milan needs to be served, but who by? Flybe/EZY or the new Alitalia/AirOne group.
Now that Ryanair have cut back Dublin flights, maybe AerLingus/should have another go. Or maybe Aer Arran
I think the airport should be chasing up an OSLO link with Wideroe/SAS/Flybe/Norwegian.
Lufthansa said recently that they would be looking at further routes from NCL, now is the time to be following it up. A route to FRA would be good to link up with the Star Alliance network.
AB might be interested in serving Berlin, Hamburg, Munich
Flybe said they were looking to serve Germany and Scandinavia from NCL, Hannover is the first step.
Germany and Scandinavia are both markets that can produce strong incoming traffic to NCL.
Jet 2 effectively knocked Wideroe off the Bergen route, then abandoned it...Wideroe would still probably be growing the route.
Milan needs to be served, but who by? Flybe/EZY or the new Alitalia/AirOne group.
Now that Ryanair have cut back Dublin flights, maybe AerLingus/should have another go. Or maybe Aer Arran
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