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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 17:34
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No they aren't.

At Rome FCO they are.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
No they aren't.

At Rome FCO they are.
Yes they are, to Air Europa at MAD.

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...g-haul-flights
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 19:53
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More recently announced transfer of PAX at Milan Bergamo BGY airport. I can see this happening at DUB, STN, BCN and MAD in the months, years to come.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 20:55
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It maybe part of the bigger plan use Ryanair during the mornings. Not sure if Ryanair's flight is too late for connecting at Dublin though
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 21:38
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I apologise, it was 2am, I meant "dropping UK regionals left, right and centre" but exactly... Why would an airline deliberately sacrifice a route? They aren't offering connections, the timings are crap, and they cost more than Ryanair with little to no improvement in service? Why would anyone choose to use Aer Lingus now? I hope it's just for the winter and I hope it's not just to do with NCL but this is baffling and rather infuriating.

If this is the way it's to be, I hope Ryanair are going 3 daily or 16/17 weekly (2 daily all week with 3 daily Sun, Mon, Fri or similar) and interlining through DUB. They'll need to re-time their morning flight though.

Also, I've noticed you can't actually book connecting flights through Madrid with Air Europa...
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 22:03
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL View Post
I apologise, it was 2am, I meant "dropping UK regionals left, right and centre" but exactly... Why would an airline deliberately sacrifice a route? They aren't offering connections, the timings are crap, and they cost more than Ryanair with little to no improvement in service? Why would anyone choose to use Aer Lingus now? I hope it's just for the winter and I hope it's not just to do with NCL but this is baffling and rather infuriating.

If this is the way it's to be, I hope Ryanair are going 3 daily or 16/17 weekly (2 daily all week with 3 daily Sun, Mon, Fri or similar) and interlining through DUB. They'll need to re-time their morning flight though.

Also, I've noticed you can't actually book connecting flights through Madrid with Air Europa...
Ryanair Website To Sell Air Europa Long Haul Flights | Ryanair's Corporate Website

Usual Ryanair baloney. Looks like you can only book UX flights to and from MAD on the FR website.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 08:16
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The second phase of this Air Europa partnership will be launched later this year and will allow Ryanair customers to connect onto Air Europa long haul flights through Madrid
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Not sure what you point is re baloney? The linked press release says you can book tickets for Air Europa long haul flights from Madrid via the RYR website and at some point in the future you may be able to connect from RYR flights. Seems straightforward, even if others have read more into it?

What seems more of a stretch is that EIR is dropping the morning DUB-NCL-DUB as part of a plan for RYR to offer an earlier flight and also the ability to connect with EI's transatlantic flights. I think we can put this firmly in the box marked "speculation"
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 14:28
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I can see FR172/173 brought earlier around 7AM/8AM like the existing Aer Lingus DUB. Then an additional flight around noon-2PM. Then keep the current FR174/175 as is.

This would mean that RYR would have to have interlining agreements with EI or is there other airlines such as DY, UA, DL where RYR could have US interlining at DUB.

US Pre-Clearance was a good facility, where PAX going out to USA would clear US customs on arrival to DUB.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 14:51
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This would mean that RYR would have to have interlining agreements with EI or is there other airlines such as DY, UA, DL where RYR could have US interlining at DUB.
But they don't....

People seem to be reading an awful lot into EIR cutting back their flights.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 15:23
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Originally Posted by NorthEasterner View Post
I can see FR172/173 brought earlier around 7AM/8AM like the existing Aer Lingus DUB. Then an additional flight around noon-2PM. Then keep the current FR174/175 as is.

This would mean that RYR would have to have interlining agreements with EI or is there other airlines such as DY, UA, DL where RYR could have US interlining at DUB.
None of the other higher frequency regional ports are showing adjustments to suit that theory.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 16:29
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There seems to be an unwillingness to accept EI are cutting US connections from NCL.

The schedule appears to show they are doing exactly that. And Ryanair are now about to start interlining with every airline under the sun to facilitate NCL connections to the US.

For NCL to the States there is still the likes of BA or KL.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
There seems to be an unwillingness to accept EI are cutting US connections from NCL.

The schedule appears to show they are doing exactly that. And Ryanair are now about to start interlining with every airline under the sun to facilitate NCL connections to the US.

For NCL to the States there is still the likes of BA or KL.
Don't you start coming round here messing up our thread with your common sense!
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 19:58
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I never thought there was any credibility in FR interlining with EI transatlantic, but EI was our only "budget" offering across the atlantic. At least now there might be room for Wow to step in and take those passengers, or a direct, low cost offering as more of a long shot.

The only way I can really see this going now is another EI pullout, because they now have the least favourable offering to Dublin. I hope Ryanair sees this as an opportunity to offer an earlier flight because their current mid/late morning flight as the only offering really isn't of much use to anyone.

What's happening to NCL short haul! Easyjet, Flybe and now Aer Lingus taking the p*ss with their frequency offerings and route cuts... What's next, British airways swapping to 4 mid morning/afternoon flights to Gatwick
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 21:05
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I'm not saying Ryanair does or should have interlining agreements at Dublin, however to make up the lost TATL passengers, Ryanair would have to come to some sort of agreement with Aer Lingus to help facilitate and regain the lost TATL pax.

Many PAX on Aer Lingus tend to be TATL, if not, BA codeshares/avios points and business passengers. Leisure passengers seem to be more towards Ryanair.

Interlining agreements at DUB could also prove popular with other UK regional airports where Ryanair has early flights to Dublin such as BHX, EDI etc.

So now we've been left with LHR, CDG, AMS, CPH, BRU, DUS where we have airlines (in Europe) that facilitate interlining/transfer.

With Aer Lingus dropping TATL from NCL and not so great timings, I'm not holding my breath. This one flight a day with EI seems to carry on right through to May 2018.

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Old 24th Jun 2017, 21:25
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NCL-DUB has always been an odd route when you compare with the rest of the routes to the UK from both an EI/FR prospective.

ABZ is getting extra freq over winter including early morning flights which could be a reason why NCL was changed.

This one flight a day with EI seems to carry on right through to May 2018.
Don't read much into this but it does allow T/A return.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 21:57
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TCX drop Almeria for Summer 18. A
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 22:13
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LEI is a very hit or miss route, seems to get tried and dropped (not just at NCL)... Remember when AIH first tried to make it more 'mainstream' in MD83s
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Old 25th Jun 2017, 00:12
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In what sense is that EI-EIDW? Genuine question, I'm intrigued
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Old 25th Jun 2017, 23:20
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In what sense is that EI-EIDW? Genuine question, I'm intrigued
When you compare to the rest of UK-DUB routes it's falls way way behind in terms of numbers and frequency.
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Old 25th Jun 2017, 23:23
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Probably due to the nature of Newcastle as a market. Quite poor and leisure oriented. Two big party cities though, I bet you could fill 5 737's each way on Friday and Sunday

If Ryanair make Dublin a viable low cost connecting hub at any point in the future, I can see it boosting numbers somewhat
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