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Old 6th Jul 2015, 08:07
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NCL- EWR

Quote from passenger on this morning's New York flight: "If there's 50 passengers, I'm double counting". Not great for July.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 09:04
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Quote from passenger on this morning's New York flight: "If there's 50 passengers, I'm double counting". Not great for July.
If this is true, then maybe not surprising as I've been looking at United's booking tool over the last few weeks and prices for return travel are over 1200, searching various options. Who is going to pay that when you can travel via AMS, CDG or even LHR for a shade over 400.

Here's result from United's website for next Sun/Monday - I assumed with these prices flights were almost Full>

Nonstop flights from 1,384 GBP from
1,384 GBP
Depart:
09:10
Sun., 12 Jul., 2015
Newcastle, England (NCL)
Arrive:
12:00
Sun., 12 Jul., 2015
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Travel Time:
7 hr 50 mn Distance:
3,334 m Flight: UA159
Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Fare Class: United Economy (U)
Meal: Lunch
See On-Time Performance


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Old 6th Jul 2015, 12:00
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Will keep saying this

UNITED WILL NEVER BE 100%!!!!!!
It's NOT a CHARTER........


UNITED and EMIRATES are the same

The route will take time to grow and by this I mean YEARS.
Yes the loads aren't good but if you look at the route since it started you will have noticed that Sunday's and Friday flights are the weaker ones.

Overall the route I don't think is too bad
Last month it should have hit early 60% and this month is looking to hit late 60% loads

Does EMIRATES ever get anywhere near 80% full for the month??????

Over the next 2 weeks business class seats are nearly FULL on certain days and that's where the money is made
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 12:34
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NCL EWR

Believe me, if this route doesn't get to 80% and fast, it will be pulled. The days of airlines giving routes yeas to develop are long gone.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 13:00
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In the end it will come down to UA deciding if they can make more money with that 757 elsewhere or whether they are happy with the returns they are getting flying it between NCL and EWR.

I suspect loads will need to be higher than 60% to see it return next year. I hope UA maintain the link though.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 13:16
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In the end it will come down to UA deciding if they can make more money with that 757 elsewhere or whether they are happy with the returns they are getting flying it between NCL and EWR.

I suspect loads will need to be higher than 60% to see it return next year. I hope UA maintain the link though.
BA had a saying when they operated the 767 to JFK from BHX. 'Use it or loose it.' In the end we know what happened there. Bristol is another example of the then Continental flight to Newark being axed. It wasn't sustainable.

I hope councils and the tourism industries in the region can get together and spend some money and time on promoting the route or else it will be curtains.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 13:59
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It isn't fair to look for cheap prices just a week or so out; if look in August you can easily find fares for 770 which is admittedly not as cheap as via e.g. AMS but not bad for a direct flight.

You pay your money, and make your choice - and United will decide if it is worth it in the long run...
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 15:03
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NCL EWR

Ref. Today's flight. The passenger is question has a six hour connecting flight on from EWR, and yet the fare was 120 cheaper than had they travelled point-to-point NCL EWR. Don't know how UA do their revenue management but doesn't make too much sense, especially as all the one stop alternatives to NYC were at least 200 cheaper than the direct service. Emirates score because of: better product; at least as cheap as the alternatives AND direct. On this evidence, there's no great premium for direct - not in Y anyway.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 17:16
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Seems to be plenty of overspill (car) parking opened up on the southside recently.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 17:42
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If the Fri and Sun flights are the weakest, then that's a real concern, you'd expect them to be busy with folk visiting NYC for the weekend.

Emirates are generally hovering just around the 75-80% mark, though May was very quiet for them.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 18:45
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but if you're not involved in United's revenue management, who knows?
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 19:40
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50 seats taken according to seat map for tomorrow. inc 7 in Business class.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 20:11
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50 seats taken according to seat map for tomorrow. inc 7 in Business class.
And still they are charging 1384 for an economy return!! Something does not seem correct.

I'm sure they would have sold out at 460 return (comparable to AF/KL etc. although they are via CDG/ AMS but include connecting flight from NCL)
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 21:22
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The United online booking GUI is nothing short of guesstimation f, seats are usually blocked out for loading or last minute purchase yes you can click on them but it's likely the seat is sold or not available. Obviously the closer the time to the flight the more this is likely and it is not on every seat of course.
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 22:20
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TUNISIA

Thomas Cooks 3x Weekly has been cut to a 1 a week flight , The Sunday flight survives for now.

The monday flight is now
TCX6006 - NCL - ACE
TCX6007 - ACE - NCL

Not sure where the A321 is now heading on Wednesday morning
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 23:34
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From the 22nd July it will be going to BOJ on a wednesday morning!
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 04:39
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Originally Posted by nclops View Post
From the 22nd July it will be going to BOJ on a wednesday morning!
Thanks for the info , loads look terrible on Sundays too for NBE
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 07:47
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Will keep saying this

UNITED WILL NEVER BE 100%!!!!!!
It's NOT a CHARTER........


UNITED and EMIRATES are the same

The route will take time to grow and by this I mean YEARS.
Yes the loads aren't good but if you look at the route since it started you will have noticed that Sunday's and Friday flights are the weaker ones.

Overall the route I don't think is too bad
Last month it should have hit early 60% and this month is looking to hit late 60% loads

Does EMIRATES ever get anywhere near 80% full for the month??????

Over the next 2 weeks business class seats are nearly FULL on certain days and that's where the money is made
Those numbers are shockingly low for coming into peak summer transatlantic. On the basis of this load factor, it's a goner, the aircraft can be used more profitably in a stronger market. In regional flying btw, they really need to make money in Economy as business class travel is traditionally weaker, hence the way Virgin out of GLA is shall we say, not cheap.

United and Emirates are not the same.......! By a looong shot.
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 07:58
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Can't really blame the marketting of the route, as the Airport team and United have been working really hard on that aspect of things, I'd guess that NCL is losing out on folk within the catchment travelling via road/rail to MAN/EDI and GLA still. Try and pull those folk back in and perhaps the flights would be busier.

Mind you, with only 2 flights a week to Las Palmas in the summer, perhaps it's no wonder NYC may not be working...
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 08:47
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo View Post
Those numbers are shockingly low for coming into peak summer transatlantic. On the basis of this load factor, it's a goner, the aircraft can be used more profitably in a stronger market. In regional flying btw, they really need to make money in Economy as business class travel is traditionally weaker, hence the way Virgin out of GLA is shall we say, not cheap.

United and Emirates are not the same.......! By a looong shot.
Agree, if the numbers are correct it doesn't look good, and these days airlines don't give a route 2 years to mature as they did many years ago.

Of course a big difference between Emirates and United (aside the alleged "unlevel" playing field that US carriers constantly whinge about) is that there is a meaningful cargo space to be sold on the 773, and next to nothing on the 757 so there isn't another revenue stream to be tapped.
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