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The point is, easjet have tried the likes of PRG,SXF,BUD etc but the fact is once the novelty of these destinations wears off they become inefficient routes to operate and therefore unprofitable so they have justifiably dumped them. Maybe the purple headed warriors may have more success bringing poles to sunderland but at the end of the day people of the north east do like their beach holidays...
The point is, easjet have tried the likes of PRG,SXF,BUD etc but the fact is once the novelty of these destinations wears off they become inefficient routes to operate and therefore unprofitable so they have justifiably dumped them. Maybe the purple headed warriors may have more success bringing poles to sunderland but at the end of the day people of the north east do like their beach holidays...
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Who at this time of the year does not crave sun and warmth? Whilst I can accept that some non-sunshine routes may have a limited shelf-life from NCL (such as BUD), I cannot believe that the good people of the North East ONLY want to fry on the Costas. Don't forget that apprixmately 40,000 new 18 year olds join the NE economy every year.
The economy may be in depression but economic life still exists; KRK had it continued would have been the only route to Poland from between South or West Yorkshire and Edinburgh and I still cannot believe to this day that SXF was an unprofitable route, (nor was BGY for Ryanair). Most people despite the economic doom and gloom are still eating, being clothed, use essential services and travel a bit.
My criticism is that, it seems that the route planning management of EZY have a very south centred and somewhat archaic view of the North East. They seem to think we still keep coal in the bath, race whippets and only want Newcy Broon in Alicante.
Although I have nothing against anyone craving a bit of sun, sand and sangria. It's something I like myself every now and then. I just wish the route planners would look at demographics and be a bit more imaginative. NCL is apparently one of EZY best performing bases and I think this should be acknowledged with a wider range of destinations.
The economy may be in depression but economic life still exists; KRK had it continued would have been the only route to Poland from between South or West Yorkshire and Edinburgh and I still cannot believe to this day that SXF was an unprofitable route, (nor was BGY for Ryanair). Most people despite the economic doom and gloom are still eating, being clothed, use essential services and travel a bit.
My criticism is that, it seems that the route planning management of EZY have a very south centred and somewhat archaic view of the North East. They seem to think we still keep coal in the bath, race whippets and only want Newcy Broon in Alicante.
Although I have nothing against anyone craving a bit of sun, sand and sangria. It's something I like myself every now and then. I just wish the route planners would look at demographics and be a bit more imaginative. NCL is apparently one of EZY best performing bases and I think this should be acknowledged with a wider range of destinations.
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The airlines will only operate routes that make money and for the north east that is the traditional bucket and spade routes. If there was money to be made in the likes of BUD or SXF then i'm sure they would be operating these routes.
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But were KRK and SXF actually losing money for EZY? I suspect they weren't. BUD probably was and I was surprised that that route lasted as long as it did. Ryanair was probably doing OK with BGY as well before they messed around with the timings.
Bucket and spade fine. But the point I was trying to make is that the route planners seem to be very superficial and unimaginative in their planning. I find it hard to believe that a region like the North East cannot justify several low cost flights a week to the German capital, northern Italy or anywhere in Poland.
Bucket and spade fine. But the point I was trying to make is that the route planners seem to be very superficial and unimaginative in their planning. I find it hard to believe that a region like the North East cannot justify several low cost flights a week to the German capital, northern Italy or anywhere in Poland.
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Route planners follow the money, period.
They don't put a route on for any other purpose whatsoever. It was either not profitable to be axed or not as profitable as others. End of story.
They don't put a route on for any other purpose whatsoever. It was either not profitable to be axed or not as profitable as others. End of story.
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But the Krakow flight for example was always full in and out everyday..... that route has gone now and i cannot fathom what prompted the removal of that route as a full plane must be profitable...?
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Flights can still be full but not profitable. Its all down to the yeild that they get for the seats. If they are selling the seats cheap then it will be a low yeild so they will put the aircraft onto routes where they can get a high yeild. Also has to do with airport costs, land fees etc.
Airlines are a business and the primary principle of a business is that it is there to make money for its shareholders so therefore bucket and spade routes are most profitable out of the north east so thats what is done.
Airlines are a business and the primary principle of a business is that it is there to make money for its shareholders so therefore bucket and spade routes are most profitable out of the north east so thats what is done.
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Looking at the pax figures for January, it seems that virtually every route from NCL is losing pax big style. EK is down by nearly 1,000. Even TFS, ALC and AGP are down 
How long before NCL becomes a sub 5 million pax airport again?
How long before NCL becomes a sub 5 million pax airport again?
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I agree you can't tell just form numbers, but the three or four flights I took to Berlin were always much fuller than the flights I've taken to Bristol this year. Newcatle maintains several charter flights a week to Austria and North Italy and HLX/Tuifly which has less marketing and presumably higher costs has kept the Hanover route going. I'm sure there's a demand for routes other than the bucket and spade if Easyjet would show a bit more imagination.
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Actually, it's only down by around 660...which is around a 5% drop
As for the other EK exclusive UK airports:
MAN : Down nearly 3,000 which is about 5%
BHX: Down by around 800 which is around 2%
GLA: Down by 2,500 which is 12%
LGW: Down 3,000 a 7% drop.
Other destinations from NCL:
BRU: -37%
CPH: -34%
CDG: -8%
DUS: -19%
HAJ: -32%
DUB: -7%
AMS: -9%
BCN: -24%
ALC: -12%
AGP: -29%
PMI: -45%
TFS: -16%
SVG: +115%
GVA: -2%
KRK: -68%
SSH: -56%
As you can see, not good reading. This recession is definitely not doing NCL any favours whatsover
As for the other EK exclusive UK airports:
MAN : Down nearly 3,000 which is about 5%
BHX: Down by around 800 which is around 2%
GLA: Down by 2,500 which is 12%
LGW: Down 3,000 a 7% drop.
Other destinations from NCL:
BRU: -37%
CPH: -34%
CDG: -8%
DUS: -19%
HAJ: -32%
DUB: -7%
AMS: -9%
BCN: -24%
ALC: -12%
AGP: -29%
PMI: -45%
TFS: -16%
SVG: +115%
GVA: -2%
KRK: -68%
SSH: -56%
As you can see, not good reading. This recession is definitely not doing NCL any favours whatsover
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Emirates were advertising this morning on Classic FM(a NATIONAL Radio Station) deals from Newcastle to the likes of Austraila from £600!! My point being a national radio station advertising flights from Newcastle, why no mention of deals or flights from London or Birmingham?
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TOPPROP, I've noticed that EK like to do special deals from airports individually. A couple of weeks ago there was a load of special offers available from GLA. And before that from BHX and MAN.
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If the January 2009 flight numbers are compared to January 2008 then you need to bear in mind substantial frequency changes e.g. Brussels 1 flight a day not 2, Krakow service stopped part way through the month, Stavanger new service by Eastern plus no ferry service anymore. Agreed they show overall that the recession has had a substantial impact, but you have to be careful with the individual figures.
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EZY A319's have been planned to come to NCL for sometime now, so this isn't new news. (6 this summer)
New routes this year is EZY Malta. However other carriers already fly there. TCX are picking up some of the lost XL routes and BMI are here for a few month I believe.
Routes being withdrawn: EZY PRG + KRK, FR SNN. There could be more (I just can't remember, ask Skyman or HH6702).
No, Jet 2 have no plans to go transatlantic from NCL.
I would be supprised if we get anymore new routes / airlines in NCL this year.
Hope this answers your questions. Welcome to PPRuNe.
EZY A319's have been planned to come to NCL for sometime now, so this isn't new news. (6 this summer)
New routes this year is EZY Malta. However other carriers already fly there. TCX are picking up some of the lost XL routes and BMI are here for a few month I believe.
Routes being withdrawn: EZY PRG + KRK, FR SNN. There could be more (I just can't remember, ask Skyman or HH6702).
No, Jet 2 have no plans to go transatlantic from NCL.
I would be supprised if we get anymore new routes / airlines in NCL this year.
Hope this answers your questions. Welcome to PPRuNe.