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not really MUFC_fan, as the case with Air India proves.
Its ATQ-BHX-YYZ services were very popular and had good yeilds, as said so by AI themselves, but the route was transferred to LHR to protect slots.
I think that shows exactly what I mean, as AI would rather the pax travel to LHR than BHX, and no doubt the decision was made much easier for AI due to the ease of getting to LHR from BHX.
Its ATQ-BHX-YYZ services were very popular and had good yeilds, as said so by AI themselves, but the route was transferred to LHR to protect slots.
I think that shows exactly what I mean, as AI would rather the pax travel to LHR than BHX, and no doubt the decision was made much easier for AI due to the ease of getting to LHR from BHX.
The lure of LHR and NRT is unique compared to any other airports in the world:
Continental’s $209m Heathrow slots - Times Online
757s fly in those slots...
LHR has the connecting traffic, it has BMI, it has LH, it has UA, it has CO, it has US, it has AC - the connections are endless.
At the end of the day it is about money - airlines aren't charities...
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Whilst, Manchester has the largest range of long-haul destinations available, second only to Heathrow, it is nowhere near on a par with other major European cities such as Milan or Munich. Manchester has also lost a lot of long haul traffic for exactly the same reasons that Birmingham finds it difficult to hold on what should be Birmingham's core long haul routes to India.
Manchester has lost more long-haul scheduled flights than it has gained, such as:- BA, BMI, Air Canada, BWIA, Air Jamaica, Cubana, South African Airways, Air Seychelles, Air Mauritius, Egyptair, Syrianair, El Al, Saudia, Gulf Air, Air India, Uzbekistan Airways, Bangladesh Biman, Malaysia Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Qantas
Also, American Airlines, Pakistan International, Air Blue and Singapore have either dropped routes, decreased capacity or cut frequencies.
And, it has to be said that Singapore Airlines are on the critical list.
Manchester has lost more long-haul scheduled flights than it has gained, such as:- BA, BMI, Air Canada, BWIA, Air Jamaica, Cubana, South African Airways, Air Seychelles, Air Mauritius, Egyptair, Syrianair, El Al, Saudia, Gulf Air, Air India, Uzbekistan Airways, Bangladesh Biman, Malaysia Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Qantas
Also, American Airlines, Pakistan International, Air Blue and Singapore have either dropped routes, decreased capacity or cut frequencies.
And, it has to be said that Singapore Airlines are on the critical list.
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Biman Bangladesh finished because the route authority was not granted for DAC-MAN-JFK and had to switch back to BRU.
Gulf air finished as they were only allowed to operate to AUH, and their hub is BAH so proved too costly
Air Jamaica ran into financial difficulties, hence why they are no more.
BWIA also ran into financial issues, and dont even operate to LHR anymore.
It is well know CX and QF were 'convinced' to drop MAN to save the LHR services on BA etc.
AA dropped MIA due to lack of co-operation with BA on codesharing (but are now back with JFK) We may have lost some services with AA but we are the only UK routes outside of fortress Heathrow.
PIA dropped the transits as they always intended to run them direct to the USA and Canada, but had immigration issues which prevented them from doing so. They were never meant to be a permenent fixture.
Singapore, whilst its not Ideal, now back up to 5 weekly, so I wouldnt say they are critical just yet.
Air blue are having issues as MAN was always down as an A330 service, but they havent got the frame yet. The MAN route is their longest route, and with the tech stop is a huge drain on resources, so not surprised they dropped frequency.
As for the others, I will agree with you that they are a loss and no reason why they couldnt work now.
Gulf air finished as they were only allowed to operate to AUH, and their hub is BAH so proved too costly
Air Jamaica ran into financial difficulties, hence why they are no more.
BWIA also ran into financial issues, and dont even operate to LHR anymore.
It is well know CX and QF were 'convinced' to drop MAN to save the LHR services on BA etc.
AA dropped MIA due to lack of co-operation with BA on codesharing (but are now back with JFK) We may have lost some services with AA but we are the only UK routes outside of fortress Heathrow.
PIA dropped the transits as they always intended to run them direct to the USA and Canada, but had immigration issues which prevented them from doing so. They were never meant to be a permenent fixture.
Singapore, whilst its not Ideal, now back up to 5 weekly, so I wouldnt say they are critical just yet.
Air blue are having issues as MAN was always down as an A330 service, but they havent got the frame yet. The MAN route is their longest route, and with the tech stop is a huge drain on resources, so not surprised they dropped frequency.
As for the others, I will agree with you that they are a loss and no reason why they couldnt work now.
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Knock off the both the tedious pissing contest and the public airing of local inferiority complexes please.
The next person to mention Birmingham in this thread would be well advised to think long and hard before doing so.
The next person to mention Birmingham in this thread would be well advised to think long and hard before doing so.
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Cubana, South African Airways
SAA stopped because with the ending of apartheid, they suddenly had many new more lucrative destinations available
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It doesn't matter whether the CITY of Manchester is bigger, smaller, fatter, taller than Birmingham - for goodness sake - Manchester Airport isn't even in Manchester if we are being that pedantic!
To be really pedantic, most of Manchester Airport, including all the terminals, lies within the Manchester City Council area. However, unless the boundaries have been adjusted since my copy of the A to Z was printed, almost all of the southern runway is in Macclesfield!
From the map, it looks as though the boundary was modified many years ago to give all of the airport to a single local authority, but the powers that be have not caught up since the second runway was built.
It doesn't matter whether the CITY of Manchester is bigger, smaller, fatter, taller than Birmingham - for goodness sake - Manchester Airport isn't even in Manchester if we are being that pedantic!
To be really pedantic, most of Manchester Airport, including all the terminals, lies within the Manchester City Council area. However, unless the boundaries have been adjusted since my copy of the A to Z was printed, almost all of the southern runway is in Macclesfield!
From the map, it looks as though the boundary was modified many years ago to give all of the airport to a single local authority, but the powers that be have not caught up since the second runway was built.
You are correct. Originally the boundary between the City of Manchester and Cheshire ran through the middle of the airfield - the south side hangars were in Cheshire. This of course meant that the terminals were in a "nuclear free zone" and would be safe in the event the bomb went off as the bomb would have to be dropped in Cheshire. I'm sure this was very reassuring for the staff that worked there and tough luck on those on the south side
At some stage - think in the mid 80s? - the boundary was adjusted so that the whole airfield was within the City of Manchester. As may be imagined this caused some political friction between Manchester and Macclesfield Borough, the adjoining Cheshire authority, especially considering Macclesfield had no shareholding in the airport, yet Wigan (many miles away) did as it was part of Greater Manchester.
With the advent of the second runway, the section of 23L/05R west of the Bollin River is in Cheshire and I think there may well be something in the legal agreements that says that it will remain so. Macclesfield Council doesn't exist now - it became part of the imaginatively named Cheshire East council (in 2009 I think).
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This fool thought he could say what he liked. Wrong
He is now thread banned until 7th April. Let it be a warning to others. We do not have the time to play games with people who never heed previous warnings. See above.
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“Although passenger numbers have been down, we've invested heavily in our commercial offering and our growth rate in retail is outstripping the high street at over seven per cent.
That's confirmation that the new range of products we have in areas like duty free, clothing and food and beverage has been welcomed by our customers.”
That's confirmation that the new range of products we have in areas like duty free, clothing and food and beverage has been welcomed by our customers.”
What we need is for Muirheads successor to be an "aviation" person. Sadly, I feel we will be saddled with Cornish.
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Perhaps by gaining extra from the concessions means they will be able to freeze/reduce charges levied onto airlines. No doubt we'd be complaining about a list of airlines that they are talking to if they went public and saying "it's just a rehash of what they've said for the past few years". I'd rather them not talk about who they want and concentrate on talking to who they want.
Apron facilities would be of no concern to the public but if you're that concerned, perhaps you should be in contact with the airport directly.
Apron facilities would be of no concern to the public but if you're that concerned, perhaps you should be in contact with the airport directly.
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I rather like the shops
Landing fees (or actually departure fees) would be enormous if it wasnt for the income the shops generate.
There were some seriously rich customers knocking round Ocean Sky today (something to do with a kickabout up the road)
I wonder if Ocean Sky ever thought of introducing a mini duty free area. No cancel that I dont think the biz jet users could give a t**s about saving a couple of quid on a bottle of whisky !
Ill get me coat
Landing fees (or actually departure fees) would be enormous if it wasnt for the income the shops generate.
There were some seriously rich customers knocking round Ocean Sky today (something to do with a kickabout up the road)
I wonder if Ocean Sky ever thought of introducing a mini duty free area. No cancel that I dont think the biz jet users could give a t**s about saving a couple of quid on a bottle of whisky !
Ill get me coat
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Apron facilities would be of no concern to the public but if you're that concerned, perhaps you should be in contact with the airport directly.
Many have 'been in touch with the airport directly' and frankly the airport doesn't give a toss!
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Some of those rich are here for a rather large fight at the arena tonight
It certainly shows how important sport is to the airport now because
along with all the bizjets there were at least 6 charter flights plus I`m sure many of the scheduled flights would have had very good loads at very high fares.
Ian B
Some of those rich are here for a rather large fight at the arena tonight
It certainly shows how important sport is to the airport now because
along with all the bizjets there were at least 6 charter flights plus I`m sure many of the scheduled flights would have had very good loads at very high fares.
Ian B
So everytime a repair is effected you want the Manchester Evening News to run the story in the interests of improved aviation safety?
To be honest I could care less what a local rag like the MEN writes. Like most newspapers they never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
However, as anyone who works out on the apron will tell you, the facilities are now a liability, T2 especially. They were not designed for modern large transport a/c such as 777 and 330. Unfortunately, as long as the bean counters insist on spending money on shops then the operation will suffer. Stand 12 and the on-going ILS saga are cases in point.
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AA To JFK
Surprised nobody has mentioned that AA flew to JFK in the past.I flew on that route many times. B767 which towards the end used the Business cabin for full paying Y class pax
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Yea AA have been all over the place from MAN in the past - Chicago twice daily, Dallas, JFK, Miami & Boston, I think that's all so far. !
As JFK/EWR is served very well from MAN, I would have prefered a return to the Boston route, just hope the JFK doesn't undermine Continental who have stuck with MAN twice daily thro thick & thin & rarely got a mention from MAG or MEN.
As JFK/EWR is served very well from MAN, I would have prefered a return to the Boston route, just hope the JFK doesn't undermine Continental who have stuck with MAN twice daily thro thick & thin & rarely got a mention from MAG or MEN.
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The days of Delta 777's, Continental 777's and American Md11's
are long gone I'm afraid.
are long gone I'm afraid.