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I very much agree.
Four of, if not the, biggest airlines at Manchester were TCX, TOM, FCA and MYT. Now that has been halved (alright, the market is now not exactly HALF of what is was but there has been some streamlining.)
Then add AA, BA, BD, XL, VLM and LS reductions/pull outs, it isn't nice viewing...
Four of, if not the, biggest airlines at Manchester were TCX, TOM, FCA and MYT. Now that has been halved (alright, the market is now not exactly HALF of what is was but there has been some streamlining.)
Then add AA, BA, BD, XL, VLM and LS reductions/pull outs, it isn't nice viewing...
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And of course the biggest cause RYANAIR which will not factor out for another
6 months or so
6 months or so
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Manchester Airport is to host the world's first Airport Food & Beverage Conference & Awards. September 5-7
Bit early for 1st April
and the winner for most pints sold for breakfast is.........
(I expect the holiday types to start early but was shocked at number of business types neckng a pint pre 0800 in T3)
Bit early for 1st April and the winner for most pints sold for breakfast is.........
(I expect the holiday types to start early but was shocked at number of business types neckng a pint pre 0800 in T3)
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Sunday 11 Apr and Monday 12 Apr - PK701/702 will be operated by 743
this will also be the case on 16th April.
Biman now expected to start on 30th March - believe it when we see it!
Freebird are roumerd to be basing a aircraft at MAN this summer for charter work.
this will also be the case on 16th April.
Biman now expected to start on 30th March - believe it when we see it!
Freebird are roumerd to be basing a aircraft at MAN this summer for charter work.
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12M end 28.02.10 Pax - 18,545,721 down 11.79%
12M end 28.02.10 Move - 168,380 down 15.46%
....yes many thanks to our resident BHX correspondent for spreading the unadulterated joy which is; The Monthly Movements Figures.
Forget the weather these figures are an utter disaster!
The last time pax were this low was 2000, the movements are even worse, they are below 1999 levels....more worryingly there is no sign of major recovery. The few snippets reported here re ETIHAD and SIA etc are welcome but will surely make little difference ?
With Liverpool "gleefully" reporting a 10% increase I just don't share the optimism that "it will all soon be alright". Whilst their market is dominated by just two airlines they are at least doing well !
In terms of MAN Long haul is a basket case and the short haul market is little better.
More than ever an airline looking at a North West-Europe service is surely always going to be looking over their shoulder at RYR (and indeed EZY) from Liverpool as they become more and more firmly established.
If there is money to be made on a route it is they who will probably exploit it.... and passengers who would at one time have chosen or been allocated Manchester as a departure point now have the luxury of online selection, they see the fares and vote accordingly.
Pardon the pun but I think this damage is terminal....
....Thank goodness EZY got in when they did or these figures would have been even worse.
Anyway not to worry at least we still have that Food and Beverage conference to look forward to in SEP........... infact there even be more room by then !
"fresh pies everyone , c'mon get ya fresh pies"
........fantastic MAG just bloody fanstastic !
12M end 28.02.10 Move - 168,380 down 15.46%
....yes many thanks to our resident BHX correspondent for spreading the unadulterated joy which is; The Monthly Movements Figures.
Forget the weather these figures are an utter disaster!
The last time pax were this low was 2000, the movements are even worse, they are below 1999 levels....more worryingly there is no sign of major recovery. The few snippets reported here re ETIHAD and SIA etc are welcome but will surely make little difference ?
With Liverpool "gleefully" reporting a 10% increase I just don't share the optimism that "it will all soon be alright". Whilst their market is dominated by just two airlines they are at least doing well !
In terms of MAN Long haul is a basket case and the short haul market is little better.
More than ever an airline looking at a North West-Europe service is surely always going to be looking over their shoulder at RYR (and indeed EZY) from Liverpool as they become more and more firmly established.
If there is money to be made on a route it is they who will probably exploit it.... and passengers who would at one time have chosen or been allocated Manchester as a departure point now have the luxury of online selection, they see the fares and vote accordingly.
Pardon the pun but I think this damage is terminal....
....Thank goodness EZY got in when they did or these figures would have been even worse.
Anyway not to worry at least we still have that Food and Beverage conference to look forward to in SEP........... infact there even be more room by then !
"fresh pies everyone , c'mon get ya fresh pies"
........fantastic MAG just bloody fanstastic !
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Come on how many times do we have to mention this but Ryanair is the major cause
of this drop, infact well over half of it and we will see things improve as soon as they are factored out in September and the BA/BD flights which account for 25,000 pax alone.
The reason the figures at Liverpool have increased is because Ryanair has in effect forced it`s pax from Manchester to go there
The IT market has also been hit very badly to EEC countries with Mnchester
being the largest market outside London by a very long way
Ian B
of this drop, infact well over half of it and we will see things improve as soon as they are factored out in September and the BA/BD flights which account for 25,000 pax alone.
The reason the figures at Liverpool have increased is because Ryanair has in effect forced it`s pax from Manchester to go there
The IT market has also been hit very badly to EEC countries with Mnchester
being the largest market outside London by a very long way
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With Liverpool "gleefully" reporting a 10% increase I just don't share the optimism that "it will all soon be alright". Whilst their market is dominated by just two airlines they are at least doing well !
I am not trying to turn this into a MAN v LPL post but I just wanted to point out that passengers does not equal profit.
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The reason the figures at Liverpool have increased is because Ryanair has in effect forced it's pax from Manchester to go there
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I think you'll find that its EZY and to a lesser extent KLM that have given Liverpool its positive growth, as yet Ryanair pax figures don't seem to have recovered as well.
We must also remember that three F70s per day will have a little more impact on 5 million passengers p/a than 19 million.
Anyway, this is an MAN thread not LPL!
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I really don’t think we can blame LPL or LBA or FR or BA for that matter for the decline. I fear this is long-term structural decline caused by market shifts and MAG's seeming inability to respond. Nobody is forced to other airports they go because the flight they want isn’t from MAN. MAN's traditional northern chartered market is in steep decline, point to point long haul has gone and its all done through hubs which almost any airport in the UK can give you a connection world-wide with one stop!, short haul European has gone loco and we know the story there. The terminal infrastructure is old and offers no advantages over other airports and so we just have its location. Manchester is a great location for transatlantic however I think it needs major terminal redevelopment on the scale of T5 at LHR to attract a based quality airline and develop into a hub. However that isn't going to happen.
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Yes there are a few Scheduled operators that have bucked the trend, infact quite a few
when you look at it, KLM, Swiss, Lufthansa, Air France, Emirates all have good loads
and Swiss and Lufthansa have both mentioned Manchester for praise.
The main things that have pulled Manchester down are lo-cost/IT to Spain and to a lesser extent Greece.
I have not been to Spain recently but many people I speak to say that many of the resorts out there are dead and it can be seen by the large drop in number of flights to likes of Malaga, Palma, Alicante etc
Ian B
when you look at it, KLM, Swiss, Lufthansa, Air France, Emirates all have good loads
and Swiss and Lufthansa have both mentioned Manchester for praise.
The main things that have pulled Manchester down are lo-cost/IT to Spain and to a lesser extent Greece.
I have not been to Spain recently but many people I speak to say that many of the resorts out there are dead and it can be seen by the large drop in number of flights to likes of Malaga, Palma, Alicante etc
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UK based holidays are enjoying a boom period, caravan sites are packed all summer, camping stores are seeing huge demand for tents. I know this because I am one of the price sensitive passengers who have changed their travel habits and resorted to UK holidays. I used to take the family to Spain for about £10 each (or lower) with Ryanair. APD, Fuel duty and above all else the Euro exchange rate is the reason for this change.
I checked my flight log (I know I am sad) using Manchester
2008
14 return flights, 4 on business the rest short breaks or holidays.
2009
3 return flights on business.
2010
Nothing booked and no plans to do so !
I believe I am not the only one.
I checked my flight log (I know I am sad) using Manchester
2008
14 return flights, 4 on business the rest short breaks or holidays.
2009
3 return flights on business.
2010
Nothing booked and no plans to do so !
I believe I am not the only one.
Recently travelled MAN-LPA. Half the flights to chose from than there were a couple of years ago & twice as expensive. Where I went to in Gran Canaria completly dead.
On the upside also just travelled MAN-MUC with Lufthansa last week, on the same days that EZY fly MAN-MUC & there were only 2-3 empty seats both ways, so good for Luftie. Just a shame EZY are not selecting unserved destinations, but picking on MUC, HEL & CPH seems to add nothing to the MAN portfolio & only to posssibly undermine existing carriers.
The Mon/Tue morning Germanwings flights are good to connect onwards, but its annoying that its linked to BMI baby website. So, you can't connect MAN-CGN-BCN for instance because it automatically transfers you to Baby as their partner for that route. When of course, we know, Baby dont operate that route anymore. Wish Germanwings & Baby would get their act together.
On the upside also just travelled MAN-MUC with Lufthansa last week, on the same days that EZY fly MAN-MUC & there were only 2-3 empty seats both ways, so good for Luftie. Just a shame EZY are not selecting unserved destinations, but picking on MUC, HEL & CPH seems to add nothing to the MAN portfolio & only to posssibly undermine existing carriers.
The Mon/Tue morning Germanwings flights are good to connect onwards, but its annoying that its linked to BMI baby website. So, you can't connect MAN-CGN-BCN for instance because it automatically transfers you to Baby as their partner for that route. When of course, we know, Baby dont operate that route anymore. Wish Germanwings & Baby would get their act together.
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Germanwings / bmibaby
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Trythis site to book your MAN-CGN-BCN flights it seems the airport have actually worked with germanwings to develop these loco connections - ah if only MAN......
cologne-bonn-connect
Trythis site to book your MAN-CGN-BCN flights it seems the airport have actually worked with germanwings to develop these loco connections - ah if only MAN......
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The reason the figures at Liverpool have increased is because Ryanair has in effect forced it`s pax from Manchester to go there
Only four routes overlapped both airports and that only amounted to 26k pax in the month, August 2009, of the FR announcement to pull the routes from MAN.
Only one route was moved to LPL and thats the Bremen route.
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12M end 28.02.10 Pax - 18,545,721 down 11.79%
12M end 28.02.10 Move - 168,380 down 15.46%
....yes many thanks to our resident BHX correspondent for spreading the unadulterated joy which is; The Monthly Movements Figures.
Bagso
It is nothing against Manchester, in fact most of here at BHX have always been jealous of Manchester's traffic.
BHX is down about 7% pm at the moment, just hoping this HS2 train service comes to be and BHX can hopefully clawback traffic it has lost over the year to LHR.
BHX should be around the 18m pax level by now, the capacity is there now !
12M end 28.02.10 Move - 168,380 down 15.46%
....yes many thanks to our resident BHX correspondent for spreading the unadulterated joy which is; The Monthly Movements Figures.
Bagso
It is nothing against Manchester, in fact most of here at BHX have always been jealous of Manchester's traffic.
BHX is down about 7% pm at the moment, just hoping this HS2 train service comes to be and BHX can hopefully clawback traffic it has lost over the year to LHR.
BHX should be around the 18m pax level by now, the capacity is there now !