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Will the 23R ILS be CAT3 when the jet-powered 'Deux Ponts' commences operation? 
Typical Manchester Airport.. Lots of publicity and spin when the service starts.
Nothing heard when the service is withdrawn 9 months later.
egs
QANTAS
Gulf Air
South African
Austrian
Alitalia
Malev.
Cathay pax
etc, etc.
A 'Cornish Wafer'? NOT ARFF!
Typical Manchester Airport.. Lots of publicity and spin when the service starts.
Nothing heard when the service is withdrawn 9 months later.
egs
QANTAS
Gulf Air
South African
Austrian
Alitalia
Malev.
Cathay pax
etc, etc.
A 'Cornish Wafer'? NOT ARFF!
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Seeing that they've been operating 2 daily since 2003, any withdrawal of the A380 will see EK17/18 revert back to 77W. And then we can start talking the 3rd daily service. Or the alternate scenario....they keep plodding along with the 3-class A380 pending the arrival of the 2-class A380.
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I assume this means that the Airbus House A380 will be making an apperance at MAN sometime before the EK launch?
ZRH, BOS, LHR, SYD etc all had to have it in to test the airport, and before you say it was purely publicity, the BOS visit wasnt widely known about until the dunlops hit the tarmac.
Also, I know we had a flypast a few years ago, but weve had a new ILS installed since then, and given we are going to be one of the smallest airports to see a regular A380, Id have thought they may want to make sure everything runs smoothly.
We will have to wait until stand 12 is complete however, otherwise the visit will be pointless.
ZRH, BOS, LHR, SYD etc all had to have it in to test the airport, and before you say it was purely publicity, the BOS visit wasnt widely known about until the dunlops hit the tarmac.
Also, I know we had a flypast a few years ago, but weve had a new ILS installed since then, and given we are going to be one of the smallest airports to see a regular A380, Id have thought they may want to make sure everything runs smoothly.
We will have to wait until stand 12 is complete however, otherwise the visit will be pointless.
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Also to add, the A380 is now in the online timetable of emirates.com. Stating arrival time of 12:25, departure time of 14:10. (I would expect this time to be altered though, as with the taxiing shennanigans, it could take up to 15 minutes each way to get to/from the gate/runway as it is)
Its not been loaded into the actual booking engine as of yet though.
EK17/18 will offer First (private suites), business and Economy, EK19/20 will still offer just Business and economy. No upgrade to a 3 class B777 as suggested, which is very sensible in my opinion.
Its not been loaded into the actual booking engine as of yet though.
EK17/18 will offer First (private suites), business and Economy, EK19/20 will still offer just Business and economy. No upgrade to a 3 class B777 as suggested, which is very sensible in my opinion.
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Think that you might find that this investement will enable other possible services / carriers to come to MAN. Once you are Code F capable, you are Code F capable - end of!
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I don't see the fuss over 1st class. Most of the people who can afford to use it don't anyway. It's no longer much of a measure anymore. QFA are even removing it completely, times are changing, and most J class offerings have made F class obsolete.
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EK17/18 will offer First (private suites), business and Economy, EK19/20 will still offer just Business and economy. No upgrade to a 3 class B777 as suggested, which is very sensible in my opinion.
However, do EK operate any other route with a mixed service, as in one flight is 3 class and one is 2 etc? I can't think of any and for that reason I think it will change and an A330 (or A343 as mentioned) could end up filling in the gap in capacity.
If there are any destinations that have two or more flights with different cabins (F/J/Y v J/Y) then I apologise as I cannot think of any.
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Yields must be satifactory or else this move does not make sense.
Can we stop wittering on about First please? There's barely a market in London anymore never mind Manchester....
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Other airline's yields Mickeyman, other people's will suffer as Emirates can drive down costs due to the high number of seats on a very modern aeroplane.
Why would EK operate a 340 on MAN-DBX??
That makes no sense at all.
The 3rd daily is a dead duck now. Move on.
That makes no sense at all.
The 3rd daily is a dead duck now. Move on.
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Doesn`t have the long range crew beds
Why would EK operate a 340 on MAN-DBX??
That makes no sense at all.
That makes no sense at all.
2. Layover time
3. Cargo
4. Extra capacity
5. Better connections
The 3rd daily is a dead duck now.
If MAN needs MORE than 150 extra seats per day, then I am pretty sure that EK will deliver. I don't expect it in the short term, but medium wouldn't surprise me.
Also, could anybody explain the cargo variations between the 77W and A380? Thanks
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The beauty of capitalism and the competitive nature that a mixed/open economy craves...
EK has the facilities to invest and believes in the regions (NCL is the most brightest of jewels for that argument)
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EK config
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The first few EK 380's delivered were 489 seats and mainly destined for
the longer flights (YYZ/SYD etc). This is the same F & J layout as the
517 but less economy. Note the EK website does now mention a 600
seat two class HD density (but not on offer yet).
Apparently they already have at least three 517 seat aircraft in 14/76/427
config and they operate mainly the LHR & Saudi routes (probably CDG aswell).
I know Heathrow do in fact get a mix and I am sure a 489 seater is en route
CDG now but you need to know reggies to be sure which ones are which.
Three out of the next five to be delivered are 517 configs per another
forum.
In spotters there is a post stating the 13th EK 380 has now flown.
Pete
The first few EK 380's delivered were 489 seats and mainly destined for
the longer flights (YYZ/SYD etc). This is the same F & J layout as the
517 but less economy. Note the EK website does now mention a 600
seat two class HD density (but not on offer yet).
Apparently they already have at least three 517 seat aircraft in 14/76/427
config and they operate mainly the LHR & Saudi routes (probably CDG aswell).
I know Heathrow do in fact get a mix and I am sure a 489 seater is en route
CDG now but you need to know reggies to be sure which ones are which.
Three out of the next five to be delivered are 517 configs per another
forum.
In spotters there is a post stating the 13th EK 380 has now flown.
Pete
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Given that most guys on here welcome a large variety of tails lined up at T2 it has an inherent danger here. It was the same capitalism that created the Alliances which saw QANTAS, Air Canada and Cathay disappear without losing the ability to carry passengers from MAN. Great for the travelling public though.
However, in the long term, if EK do push out a lot of the carriers it will become more of a monopoly going East than a competitive market.
With QR, EY, BA, AY, LH, AF, KL, SK, SQ etc. still at the airport, I cannot see that happening any time soon...
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The main one to look out for is a cargo service.
This is the first time in years that the EK17/18 has prioritised PAX rather than cargo space (in terms of even if the pax loads were light, cargo made up the defecit), and as said earlier, you cant book cargo space on that service after 31st Aug.
EK love thier cargo operations in the UK, so I would fully expect a 3-4 weekly skycargo service to be announced on the back of this, but we will have to wait and see.
This is the first time in years that the EK17/18 has prioritised PAX rather than cargo space (in terms of even if the pax loads were light, cargo made up the defecit), and as said earlier, you cant book cargo space on that service after 31st Aug.
EK love thier cargo operations in the UK, so I would fully expect a 3-4 weekly skycargo service to be announced on the back of this, but we will have to wait and see.