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'Other airline's yields Mickeyman, other people's will suffer as Emirates can drive down costs due to the high number of seats on a very modern aeroplane. This has nothing to do with Heathrow, as has been stated many times, no one douobts the regions can support long haul so long as they hub at the non UK end.'
This is very true but as MUFC_fan states:
'The beauty (sic) of capitalism and the competitive nature that a mixed/open economy craves...'
'SQ etc. still at the airport....'
'I think this will be the one to watch actually.'
I agree and the clock is ticking on SQ.....
As to the illusion of hubs and spokes its all a matter of scale.
MM
'Other airline's yields Mickeyman, other people's will suffer as Emirates can drive down costs due to the high number of seats on a very modern aeroplane. This has nothing to do with Heathrow, as has been stated many times, no one douobts the regions can support long haul so long as they hub at the non UK end.'
This is very true but as MUFC_fan states:
'The beauty (sic) of capitalism and the competitive nature that a mixed/open economy craves...'
'SQ etc. still at the airport....'
'I think this will be the one to watch actually.'
I agree and the clock is ticking on SQ.....
As to the illusion of hubs and spokes its all a matter of scale.
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As to the illusion of hubs and spokes its all a matter of scale.
btw Looks way better if you use the second from right Quote options when replying. Looks
better and is easier to read
Any plans of a 380 starting service into Man at all
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Actually, manchester airport website confirming A380 from 01/09/10 at manchester, coupled with EK website showing A380 on schedules page (although not yet showing bookable on dates i have entered!)
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Nothing to do with the A380.......
From Monday's MEN.
Not created much comment on the MEN website one way or another about BA abandoning the regions - most of the chit chat is about the rights and wrongs of the strike.
Suzeman
Opinion: Angela Epstein
March 29, 2010
Just wondered if anyone actually gives a damn about the British Airways strike? Sorry, let me rephrase that. Does anyone give a damn about British Airways ?
Sympathies, of course, if you’ve already been affected by the industrial action. Particularly following news that more than half of British Airways’ flights from Manchester to Heathrow have been cancelled over the coming days. Unfortunately strikers are unlikely to care about jeopardising work trips or hard earned holidays.
But to my mind British Airways long ago junked its chances of trading on jingoistic affection to garner support for our so-called national carrier. Particularly if you live in Manchester and the provinces. After all, aside from hopping passengers to London, BA hardly use our major international airport at Manchester to offer Northerners direct contact to the world.
Let’s set aside for a moment the mean-spirited tacticians who intend to create maximum damage with the four-day walkout by cabin crew over the coming Easter weekend. Or that fact that the country is just emerging from a savage recession where the perk-laden pleasures of BA staff - whatever their pay and working conditions - would hardly seem a cause for national mourning.
Let’s even, if we can, briefly park concerns over the rise of a new militant Left, so clearly reflected in the stranglehold manoeuvres of the UNITE operatives behind the strike.
And instead, let’s dwell on whether any of us care any more about flying the flag, particularly in Manchester.
Certainly, the patriotic argument doesn’t wash. Remember, this was an airline which happily spent £60m blotting out the Union Jack and replacing it with ethnic tail fin art – only to resurrect the flag after it proved to be a public relations disaster (even at the launch, Lady Margaret Thatcher draped her handkerchief over an offending model).
This isn’t an airline that proudly reflects the needs of the country it represents. It’s a now privatised concern that grabs its money where it can. And in doing so it has become so London-centric that it spares little thought for how it can connect those of us who may not want a Heathrow stopover.
What’s startling about the belligerent UNITE trouble stirrers is that they’ve overlooked the fact that most us of choose an airline because of convenience and cost. We surf the internet and find the best deal we can - happily making use of the endless budget airlines available. OK, so you may have to pay for the steam off your cuppa and if you sit next to anyone with an extra ounce of body fat, you’re sunk. But if it’s cheap and direct, it’s a potent argument over some expensive crawl via London.
So my commiserations if you were supposed to fly BA this weekend. But this airline long ago shot itself in the foot. It has shown little loyalty to Manchester so I see no reason why we need to show it back.
Not created much comment on the MEN website one way or another about BA abandoning the regions - most of the chit chat is about the rights and wrongs of the strike.
Suzeman
Opinion: Angela Epstein
March 29, 2010
Just wondered if anyone actually gives a damn about the British Airways strike? Sorry, let me rephrase that. Does anyone give a damn about British Airways ?
Sympathies, of course, if you’ve already been affected by the industrial action. Particularly following news that more than half of British Airways’ flights from Manchester to Heathrow have been cancelled over the coming days. Unfortunately strikers are unlikely to care about jeopardising work trips or hard earned holidays.
But to my mind British Airways long ago junked its chances of trading on jingoistic affection to garner support for our so-called national carrier. Particularly if you live in Manchester and the provinces. After all, aside from hopping passengers to London, BA hardly use our major international airport at Manchester to offer Northerners direct contact to the world.
Let’s set aside for a moment the mean-spirited tacticians who intend to create maximum damage with the four-day walkout by cabin crew over the coming Easter weekend. Or that fact that the country is just emerging from a savage recession where the perk-laden pleasures of BA staff - whatever their pay and working conditions - would hardly seem a cause for national mourning.
Let’s even, if we can, briefly park concerns over the rise of a new militant Left, so clearly reflected in the stranglehold manoeuvres of the UNITE operatives behind the strike.
And instead, let’s dwell on whether any of us care any more about flying the flag, particularly in Manchester.
Certainly, the patriotic argument doesn’t wash. Remember, this was an airline which happily spent £60m blotting out the Union Jack and replacing it with ethnic tail fin art – only to resurrect the flag after it proved to be a public relations disaster (even at the launch, Lady Margaret Thatcher draped her handkerchief over an offending model).
This isn’t an airline that proudly reflects the needs of the country it represents. It’s a now privatised concern that grabs its money where it can. And in doing so it has become so London-centric that it spares little thought for how it can connect those of us who may not want a Heathrow stopover.
What’s startling about the belligerent UNITE trouble stirrers is that they’ve overlooked the fact that most us of choose an airline because of convenience and cost. We surf the internet and find the best deal we can - happily making use of the endless budget airlines available. OK, so you may have to pay for the steam off your cuppa and if you sit next to anyone with an extra ounce of body fat, you’re sunk. But if it’s cheap and direct, it’s a potent argument over some expensive crawl via London.
So my commiserations if you were supposed to fly BA this weekend. But this airline long ago shot itself in the foot. It has shown little loyalty to Manchester so I see no reason why we need to show it back.
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Skyservice
Reports on the 'Rumours and News' forum indicate that SKYSERVICE has ceased operations. Several leased aircraft have recently returned from Canada to MAN (or will do so shortly) ready for Summer programmes with our based charter carriers. Three early concerns arise from this. Firstly, has Skyservice paid all its fees to TCX etc.? Secondly, were any of Skyservice's own aircraft/crews contracted to join the UK charter fleets this Summer (and what happens now?). Thirdly, and perhaps the biggest worry, where will the surplus UK charter fleet earn its keep in Winter 2010/11?
Commiserations to all those affected.
P.S. Good article by Angela Epstein there, Suzeman.
Commiserations to all those affected.
P.S. Good article by Angela Epstein there, Suzeman.
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Heathrow Airways
Agree with most of what has been posted here. Would we mourn the passing of HA? Maybe in the short-term it might affect throughput at MAN, but in the long term I am sure that the independent, non-flag carriers that MAN has always depended on would more than fill the gap. 
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Why would EK operate a 340 on MAN-DBX??
That makes no sense at all.
1. It's DXB...
2. Layover time
3. Cargo
4. Extra capacity
5. Better connections
Why would EK operate a 340 on MAN-DBX??
That makes no sense at all.
1. It's DXB...
2. Layover time
3. Cargo
4. Extra capacity
5. Better connections
I am genuinely confused.
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admittedly from MAN, I doubt there would be a difference in an A330 operating compared to an A340 (at just over 7 hours both types are fully capable).
I know EK have shifted their A345's off the ULH routes, and now operating shorther sectors, so, they could be used.
The A332 is more of a route opener, eg PRG, NCL, MAD etc, so makes more sense for EK to concentrate the A332 on the 'unproven' markets, and use the A340's on 'proven' markets like MAN.
Wonder whos going to get our B777 now?
I know EK have shifted their A345's off the ULH routes, and now operating shorther sectors, so, they could be used.
The A332 is more of a route opener, eg PRG, NCL, MAD etc, so makes more sense for EK to concentrate the A332 on the 'unproven' markets, and use the A340's on 'proven' markets like MAN.
Wonder whos going to get our B777 now?
Think we're talking at cross purposes here.
Someone on this thread suggested that EK would set up a 3rd daily to DXB using an A340.
Someone on this thread suggested that EK would set up a 3rd daily to DXB using an A340.
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The point I was trying to make is what advantage does an A340 have over the A330 on a MAN-DXB?
I think the only way an A343 would be used is simply if it fits into the aircraft's downtime where the extra MAN service would be needed.
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RE M.E.N.
"Andrew Cornish, the airport's managing director, spoke of his delight at the new routes, saying the destinations had 'significant demand' from the North West region"
What he should be saying is there is significant demand from what is by any measure Britains "second city" .....as well as the North Of England !
Although I guess we s/b thankful we didnt get the "Heathrow Of The North Quote"
PS...Hope the EK is sustained, as somebody with no love for MAG this is actually great news, and credit where credit is due, there cannot be many "second cities" served by the 380, so for a short time let us rejoice......!
Just hope its not a short-lived crew training service, eventually lost when they expand their network elsewhere.
....and yes surely a 4 a week cargo would work !
"Andrew Cornish, the airport's managing director, spoke of his delight at the new routes, saying the destinations had 'significant demand' from the North West region"
What he should be saying is there is significant demand from what is by any measure Britains "second city" .....as well as the North Of England !
Although I guess we s/b thankful we didnt get the "Heathrow Of The North Quote"
PS...Hope the EK is sustained, as somebody with no love for MAG this is actually great news, and credit where credit is due, there cannot be many "second cities" served by the 380, so for a short time let us rejoice......!
Just hope its not a short-lived crew training service, eventually lost when they expand their network elsewhere.
....and yes surely a 4 a week cargo would work !
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PS...Hope the EK is sustained, as somebody with no love for MAG this is actually great news, and credit where credit is due, there cannot be many "second cities" served by the 380, so for a short time let us rejoice......!
Just hope its not a short-lived crew training service, eventually lost when they expand their network elsewhere.
Just hope its not a short-lived crew training service, eventually lost when they expand their network elsewhere.
I doubt it will be short lived, it has been in the pipeline for some time and as flights have been near enough full throughout the recession, I can only see demand growing as the economy does...
Liverpool Daily Post.co.uk - News - Liverpool News - Easyjet demands John Lennon Airport security investment
“How come Manchester airport doesn’t have to put press releases out saying come early because there’s a problem? It is time to look after the customer.”
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What he should be saying is there is significant demand from what is by any measure Britains "second city" .....as well as the North Of England !
Birmingham is officially the UKs second city...not catchment...city.....
City Population
London 7.2 Million
Birmingham 992000
Leeds 720000
Glasgow 560000
Sheffield 512000
Bradford 467000
Edinburgh 450000
Liverpool 440000
Manchester 420000
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That is exactly my point. How do you measure city size?
Certainly for population size, Birmingham is number 2, however, in terms of the economy, Manchester would certainly fall into second which in business terms (we are dealing with airlines here) is certainly more important.
It is better to have 1 million people on £100 than 5 million on £10...
That is exactly my point. How do you measure city size?
Certainly for population size, Birmingham is number 2, however, in terms of the economy, Manchester would certainly fall into second which in business terms (we are dealing with airlines here) is certainly more important.
It is better to have 1 million people on £100 than 5 million on £10...