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Apparently El Al (LY) have also just announced a daily ex Sat Tel Aviv - Luton rotation with 763's. LTN is convenient for the very large Jewish community in north London. So maybe the MAN flights are part of a general route expansion by LY.
Yes, LY have very stringent security requirements.
Are TUI continuing with their MAN-TLV flights though? I have heard they are likely dropping LTN-TLV.
Yes, LY have very stringent security requirements.
Are TUI continuing with their MAN-TLV flights though? I have heard they are likely dropping LTN-TLV.
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The only TLV flights this summer will be by Jet2. El Al have stated (through a spokesman) that they have no plans to serve MAN in the near future. It's in the Jewish Chronicle article about the LTN expansion.
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Shops at MAN
I don't think anyone has an issue with any airport having shops, it is a good way of generating revenue. The problem is at MAN, they have lost the plot regards running an efficient and effective airport. Maybe retail is the biggest earning part, but it is totally dependant on me and my fellow pax. My last visit into MAN was on US in Feb. No toilets in baggage claim! Departing T2 is like a rabbit warren with poor signs and those god damned shops thrown here there and everywhere. It looks like the person who designed the layouts for every terminal at MAN, never set foot inside an airport - EVER. They will not attract more passengers with what they have done to the place, and remember more PAX = More shoppers!! That needs explaining to the management, because they have turned the award winning, easy to use airport into a cluster ****.
I am an overseas visitor who visits MAN five or six times per year. I have used the airport consistently for the last 25 years, and the present state is sad to see. I do not know the present Management personally, but from what they have done to the airport, I am not confident that MAN will get any better.
I am an overseas visitor who visits MAN five or six times per year. I have used the airport consistently for the last 25 years, and the present state is sad to see. I do not know the present Management personally, but from what they have done to the airport, I am not confident that MAN will get any better.
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Yup, I can agree with all of that.
The 'MAG' Group have also ruined 'EMA' - East Midlands over the last 11 years or so!!
Even some of the regional airports in the UK have 'More modern' facilities.
I don't know how MAN handles all the pax with the terminal facilities it has at the moment?
The 'MAG' Group have also ruined 'EMA' - East Midlands over the last 11 years or so!!
Even some of the regional airports in the UK have 'More modern' facilities.
I don't know how MAN handles all the pax with the terminal facilities it has at the moment?
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Many thanks TH, its nice to hear from fellow warriors for truth! . . along similar lines it was nice to see our resident pussy-cat snuffling about Olympic house the other day . .for those not in the know it was revealed recently that certain high ranking execs at EGCC were of the considered opinion that the reason that office space wasnt 'selling' was due to the presence of said cat having 'adopted' the building (lets face it Cats choose their own homes not the other way round!) . . . Plot? Lost? OH yessss
TMD
(remember, you havnt seen me, . .you dont know me .and this conversation NEVER occured!)
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(remember, you havnt seen me, . .you dont know me .and this conversation NEVER occured!)
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The problem with the Airport Management is that they are not accountable to anyone with any teeth ?
The 10 local councils based in the NWest who are the only shareholders appear detached from anything that the board actually does, they never criticise in any way shape or form ! Quite why they allowed MAG to buy and invest into East Midlands, Humberside and dare I say Bournemouth at what appears to be the expense of the core product Manchester is beyond me !
How supporting these investments promote and help business and passengers in the North Of England totally escapes me.....
Manchester itself certainly appears to have gone downhill since MAGs inception and in my view these purchases were a complete and utter strategic balls up !
Even the local press ie The Manchester Evening News which should fill this vacuum is lame in terms of challenging the airport management !
The 10 local councils based in the NWest who are the only shareholders appear detached from anything that the board actually does, they never criticise in any way shape or form ! Quite why they allowed MAG to buy and invest into East Midlands, Humberside and dare I say Bournemouth at what appears to be the expense of the core product Manchester is beyond me !
How supporting these investments promote and help business and passengers in the North Of England totally escapes me.....
Manchester itself certainly appears to have gone downhill since MAGs inception and in my view these purchases were a complete and utter strategic balls up !
Even the local press ie The Manchester Evening News which should fill this vacuum is lame in terms of challenging the airport management !
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I think the problem with MAG is they have 'spotter' thinking.
They see themselves as a big player in the industry on a par
with BAA - hence the ruminations about buying Gatwick.
Operations wise it is a private company under a psuedo gize
of council shareholding interests.
If you spread the money too thin then the result is a weakened
all - no good to anyone.This stagnation is what we are seeing at
the present - and if you dont divvy the shareholders well, it leads
to the break-up of the alliance.ie A totally Private company will
emerge as the best way forward.
Whopee! bonuses for all (management)for a job well done.
MM
I think the problem with MAG is they have 'spotter' thinking.
They see themselves as a big player in the industry on a par
with BAA - hence the ruminations about buying Gatwick.
Operations wise it is a private company under a psuedo gize
of council shareholding interests.
If you spread the money too thin then the result is a weakened
all - no good to anyone.This stagnation is what we are seeing at
the present - and if you dont divvy the shareholders well, it leads
to the break-up of the alliance.ie A totally Private company will
emerge as the best way forward.
Whopee! bonuses for all (management)for a job well done.
MM
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Absolutely.
When Manchester was focussed on preventing government takeover, then on gaining routes in the face of BEA/BOAC resistance; when the management's aim was to build a network of services with a range of carriers and encourage passengers by means of an excellent experience at the airport the airport survived, grew, prospered and was an asset the staff and the genera lpopulation could be proud of. In those days (and they didn't finish that long ago) the management were dedicated to making a profit from giving the customers (both passengers and airlines) a first class operation and the core was AVIATION.
Many of the middle and senior managers were aviation professionals of long standing, either home grown or the best the airport could afford to bring in.
Now the management is at one remove from direct control by the Councils and seems to be dominated by bean counters. Shops, offices, franchises, warehouses and just about everything else seem to come before giving passengers a pleasant passge through the terminals and though the transport access, the airside facilities and the range of destinations would have only been fantasy 30 years ago, somewhere in the last 10 years or so the primary purpose of the operation seems to have been forgotten in the race for buyouts of other airports and the establishment of secondary income streams.
There is nothing wrong with buying other airports or with secondary income streams being sought when the raison d'etre for the operation comes first.. Currently, at Manchester, it seems to come well down the list.
When Manchester was focussed on preventing government takeover, then on gaining routes in the face of BEA/BOAC resistance; when the management's aim was to build a network of services with a range of carriers and encourage passengers by means of an excellent experience at the airport the airport survived, grew, prospered and was an asset the staff and the genera lpopulation could be proud of. In those days (and they didn't finish that long ago) the management were dedicated to making a profit from giving the customers (both passengers and airlines) a first class operation and the core was AVIATION.
Many of the middle and senior managers were aviation professionals of long standing, either home grown or the best the airport could afford to bring in.
Now the management is at one remove from direct control by the Councils and seems to be dominated by bean counters. Shops, offices, franchises, warehouses and just about everything else seem to come before giving passengers a pleasant passge through the terminals and though the transport access, the airside facilities and the range of destinations would have only been fantasy 30 years ago, somewhere in the last 10 years or so the primary purpose of the operation seems to have been forgotten in the race for buyouts of other airports and the establishment of secondary income streams.
There is nothing wrong with buying other airports or with secondary income streams being sought when the raison d'etre for the operation comes first.. Currently, at Manchester, it seems to come well down the list.
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A lot of the property at the airport is empty, commonwealth house is a joke with it's huge 'Offices to let' banner across the roof.
The leasing costs for even the worst accomodation around the airport is sky high. The resident pigeons have nicer places to live than the staff. And you've got to know a secret handshake if you need a repair done any time within a year.
A least the passenger areas are starting to look nice in T1 and T2 (until it rains then the roof will leak again) as a passenger and staff member it is slowly coming a nicer enviroment to work in.
Plus...since the new rule to remove your belt came into effect i've not been asked once to remove it!
The leasing costs for even the worst accomodation around the airport is sky high. The resident pigeons have nicer places to live than the staff. And you've got to know a secret handshake if you need a repair done any time within a year.
A least the passenger areas are starting to look nice in T1 and T2 (until it rains then the roof will leak again) as a passenger and staff member it is slowly coming a nicer enviroment to work in.
Plus...since the new rule to remove your belt came into effect i've not been asked once to remove it!
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ah yes i must see about joining the Lodge that allows you to get some sort of maintenance work carried out . . . remember the password 'the silibant owl hoots in the night . .' and the reply 'the ill-built tower trembles mightily at the butterfly's passage'. Works every time with Terminal Control . .however just remember that any faults with airbridges are 'operator fault' . . heaven forbid the airport have to take responsibility for the EXTREMELY dodgy controls our poor chaps/esses are forced to work with to safely dock your aircraft . .(anyone remember the T2 Kangaroo Hop? B777s WATCHOUT We're comin for ya!!!)
I humbly propose that anyone who wishes to show support to our feline hero of Olympic house makes loud or certainly stroppy 'meiowing' noises anywhere near certain 'un-believers' . .!
'they seek him here, they seek him there . . . .. '
TMD
I humbly propose that anyone who wishes to show support to our feline hero of Olympic house makes loud or certainly stroppy 'meiowing' noises anywhere near certain 'un-believers' . .!
'they seek him here, they seek him there . . . .. '
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I see they've found a spare 2sqft of unused space next to gate 50 in T3 and built another WHSmiths !!
Actually TMD, the airport did admit responsibility when Airbridge 47 connected with the SN Brussels that night at a speed only just slower than the speed of light.
Actually TMD, the airport did admit responsibility when Airbridge 47 connected with the SN Brussels that night at a speed only just slower than the speed of light.
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EMA was bought with huge amounts of debt by MAG, so much that there was a complete financial straight jacket put on EMA management. MAG even managed to kill off the new terminal that was going to be built for about 40m. There was lots of talk about this terminal, design teams were appointed then MAG killed it. Now we have a scenario where lots of EMA staff on the chopping block to fund the boys in MAG's egos re LGW and an aiport in Scotland. Talk about caring for your communities and staff! Look how much money EMA had made in the last 8 years, where has it all gone straight up the A50/M6 to MAN.
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"Look how much money EMA had made in the last 8 years, where has it all gone straight up the A50/M6 to MAN".
...well if thats the case I for one am not sure where it has actually been spent !
But that is the problem, there does not appear to be any accountabilty or transparency. Has anybody on here ever seen any minutes on the shareholders meetings ? Any links would be welcome
If this operation was run as were a "proper" private company with individual shareholders challenge them but as all the share holders are the local councils it appears on the face of it to be a closed shop !
...well if thats the case I for one am not sure where it has actually been spent !
But that is the problem, there does not appear to be any accountabilty or transparency. Has anybody on here ever seen any minutes on the shareholders meetings ? Any links would be welcome
If this operation was run as were a "proper" private company with individual shareholders challenge them but as all the share holders are the local councils it appears on the face of it to be a closed shop !
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'The silibant owl hoots in the night . .' Duly noted.
The way in which certain Geordie airport XEO's (who ate all the pies?) surround themselves with "yes men" is simply astounding. I saw The Fat One just the other day gracing us with His presence in T3 landside and he must have had at least 6 hangers on with him! AMAZING!
Now that bmi has decided to bugger off to the Promised Land that is London Deathrow... His lackeys and Him were perusing the 16 now useless check in desks above the Spar. I wonder if they might yank them out and put in yet another WHSmiths? Only time will tell.
The way in which certain Geordie airport XEO's (who ate all the pies?) surround themselves with "yes men" is simply astounding. I saw The Fat One just the other day gracing us with His presence in T3 landside and he must have had at least 6 hangers on with him! AMAZING!
Now that bmi has decided to bugger off to the Promised Land that is London Deathrow... His lackeys and Him were perusing the 16 now useless check in desks above the Spar. I wonder if they might yank them out and put in yet another WHSmiths? Only time will tell.
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Oh, come on guys. There is an awful lot of bit**ing and moaning going on. The fact is that MAN is a regional airport. It's main competitors, in terms of passenger pools are the London airports, Paris, Amsterdam. MAN just can't get the same yield that these airports can. MAN does not have the benefit of a large, single and strong home airline. BD was the best hope of that, and they couldn't make it work. This may be more reflective of BD than MAN though.
To me it makes sense for MAN to diversify into LGW and/or Scotland. This is good for the group and ultimately MAN. So quit bit**ing about a few new shops and stained carpets. MAN was never a KUL or SIN of this world and the UK airline reality means no regional European airport ever will be. But it's fair to say it's a hell of a lot better than most UK airports, let alone regional airports.
Brian.
To me it makes sense for MAN to diversify into LGW and/or Scotland. This is good for the group and ultimately MAN. So quit bit**ing about a few new shops and stained carpets. MAN was never a KUL or SIN of this world and the UK airline reality means no regional European airport ever will be. But it's fair to say it's a hell of a lot better than most UK airports, let alone regional airports.
Brian.