MANCHESTER - 7

[commit aviation]

Very true - but you have to get through those difficult 2 years first to be in a position to take advantage of the upturn when it comes.
Knowing when to press the "invest" button is a calculated gamble - those who get it right stand to make the big bucks.....

[simonchowder]

Heard today Singapore are pulling out of Manchester , i hope its a unfounded rumour anyone know the truth, thanks

[spannersatcx]

If you look a bit further back in this thread you will see that they are reducing to 3x a week, Wed, Sat, Sun.

[Ringwayman]

Ryanair increasing their Charleroi service to daily from 5th June.

[Dr Illitout]

Great!!!! Now when the staff have to go through security we have to take our belts off!!!! Nothing like starting the day being treated like a criminal

Rgds Dr I

[johnnychips]

Belts

Most belts have a metal buckle which would cause the machine to beep, in which case the security officer would have to investigate, get the passenger to take the belt off, then pass him through again to make sure it wasn't just the belt.

Sounds a sensible time-saving idea to me.

[Egerton Flyer]

Belts

I'm not a frequent flyer, but over time have learnt that when going through security or before getting to the scanner, it's much easier to remove your belt and put other items like watch, wallet etc in your hand luggage.
But I'm just a member of the public
Having said that, if you pass through multiple times during the day I suppose it could be a pain. But rules is rules and if I as a member of the public have to do it why shouldn't staff etc.
EF

[MAN777]

Why not just get trousers that fit !!

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

But rules is rules and if I as a member of the public have to do it why shouldn't staff etc.

1) Because, sometimes, we have to do it several times per day.

2) Because we have been security screened to be able to work airside.

3) Because we have better things than a belt at our disposal if we really felt that way inclined.

4) Because my belt didn't set off the machine last week, the week before or any time in the past.

5) Because I only have a limited time to get to the aeroplane before a delay is inevitable, and removing my belt just adds to the time it's going to take.

6) Because there's then delays at the other side of the security gate where everyone's replacing their belts.

Any more for any more................

[TURIN]

Any more for any more................

Yup, only ferrous belt buckles will set it off. Mine's some sort of white metal alloy. Never sets it off, hasn't done so for 20+ years.

There's more metal in my watch strap but I don't need to take that off, and that doesn't set the alarm off either.

I have a metal plate in my arm, that doesn't set the alarm off.


This has nought to do with keeping us more secure but lots more to reducing the staff at security. Less beeps = less wanding/frisking = less staff.

And another thing what is all this wanding of the soles of your feet all about?

So for all terrorists out there, just wrap your gun/weapon/bits of bomb etc around your wrist and pretend it's a watch.

Alternatively just secure the bits around the chassis of a catering wagon and waltz straight in.

Why not just get trousers that fit !!

Cos I can't hang a torch/radio & Leatherman (with a 3" blade) on my trousers.

But rules is rules and if I as a member of the public have to do it why shouldn't staff etc.

Because the staff do not need bombs/guns/knifes etc to bring an aircraft down.
A Pilot just points the front end of his ride down a bit, a Loader just trims the aircraft incorrectly or 'forgets' to secure a load, a Maintenance Engineer has so many ways to bring an aeroplane down using his own knowledge and light fingered approach to his job that you really don't want to go there.

The events of Sept 11th 2001 were caused by passengers not airport staff.





Security my arris!

[mickyman]

Turin

I think you will find that 'events on Sept 11 2001' were (in part) a
consequence of carelessness at Boston Logan when the
perpetrators past through gate control.

MM

[Trash_Hauler]

mickeyman... With all due respect, I think you will find out it was just a bit more complex than that. Have you read the Congressional Findings on Sept 11? I have, and whilst ridiculously long winded, it makes for an interesting read. Just like ANY incident involving aircraft, it is RARELY one single cause, but rather a comedy of errors.

[mickyman]

Trash Hauler

Agreed.

MM

[TURIN]

I think you will find that 'events on Sept 11 2001' were (in part) a
consequence of carelessness at Boston Logan when the
perpetrators past through gate control.

Perhaps, but as far as I am aware (I haven't read the report) the airport staff were not responsible for bringing weapons airside, nor were any of the perps' airport staff.

I stand to be corrected here though.

Maybe this should be moved to jetblast.

[Momentary Lapse]

And until they put a roof on the whole airside area , or make the fences 20m high, it's still easy for someone landside to throw a bag full of nasty bits over the fence for someone airside to pick up later and chuck into the hold of any aircraft with its hold doors open.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Charge for Baggage Trolleys

Local radio has just carried a news report advising that coin-slots are to be fitted to Manchester Airport baggage trolleys (supermarket style). Quite apart from the effects of this on employment (and I totally sympathize with those affected) there is another issue here.

Foreign visitors rarely arrive in the UK with a pocket full of £1 coins. Banknotes yes, credit cards yes, but not small change denominated in British currency. So what do they do? Perhaps the coin slots can be modified to accept either £1 or EUR1 coins ... they're worth about the same these days! Perhaps they can put machines on the wall close to trolley distribution points which will exchange certain banknotes for £1 coins?

But some visitors will not be carrying the most common currencies of EUR or USD ... what if they are carrying Rupees or Icelandic Kronor? Will they have access to a currency exchange facility BEFORE they require their trolley from baggage reclaim? ATM's do not accept cards issued in all countries, so they cannot be the complete answer in an airport environment.

If Manchester Airport's management wishes to ensure that the airport never again wins a "Best Airport" gong, this initiative and charging for £1 for two small plastic bags constitute an inspired step forward in ensuring that outcome.

[IB4138]

A retrograde step.

Most other airports in Europe have removed the stupid coin slots from baggage trolleys.

Sounds like yet another desperate hair brained idea from management, which they think will raise money, as people will abandon trolleys with coins still in them. It won't, as coins are cash and find there way into pockets, not to be accounted for.

Also the maintainence cost of the slots will be found to be a negative on the balance sheet.

[brian_dromey]

For most trolleys £1 and €1 are interchangeable (and in fact the 20c coin as well). It seems like such a cheap-skate thing to do though, like supermarkets do in some areas - or are these trolleys going to be like the ones in the Us, where you don't get your money back?

Brian.

[mickyman]

Turin

Perhaps they can change their job titles to not
include the word 'security'.

MM

[Tulsablue]

Update on the new Coach service:

The website is www.airdirectmanchester.com
There is just a holding page at the moment and fares have not been released yet but airline and airport staff will get a 25% discount. Website will be live from 1st April, you can book online or cash on the coach.

More news soon