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BBC News - Heathrow runway plans scrapped by new government
Could this be of benefit to MAN? The only other major commercial airport in the UK with two full active runways?
Could this be of benefit to MAN? The only other major commercial airport in the UK with two full active runways?
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I have no links to Manchester Airport at all, but having listened to the video I think that the ATC staff member was completely out of order. It sounds like the chap seriously needs a talking to so I sincerely hope the EK Captain reported this to his Superiors on arrival in DBX.
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I sincerely hope the EK Captain reported this to his Superiors on arrival in DBX.
In defence of the clearly already agitated ATC, he instructed EK to "standby." Now to me and you, and probably everybody else in this world, that means "wait a minute."
"Just a number!" isn't exactly the best way to reply is it...
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I have heard this and even though I am a pilot and get p*** off when you are in a rush, they then start to do a runway inspection, whilst you are holding at the end of the runway.
The only thing to do is take a deep breath and say this is not my day and accept it, end off.
Well done to the ATC guy, tell him whos boss, and if he is not happy and still goes on, instruct him to taxi round to the back of the queue, he will soon learn
The only thing to do is take a deep breath and say this is not my day and accept it, end off.
Well done to the ATC guy, tell him whos boss, and if he is not happy and still goes on, instruct him to taxi round to the back of the queue, he will soon learn
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The ATC guy explained at the very start of the conversation that there was to be a short delay due to runway inspection, and even added a sorry. The EK pilot was not very professional in how he dealt with this.
The active frequency is also NOT the place to have a discussion about the matter.
The active frequency is also NOT the place to have a discussion about the matter.
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...then again the ATC controller could have just said 5 minutes or 10 minutes surly? If it was really really too difficult to do so then fair enough but the Captain probably wanted a rough idea to tell the pax waiting onboard. In my opinion there was no need to then repeat for a second time that EK18 should take it up with the airport authorities. Just as it was going silent it was almost as if the ATC chap wanted to stir it up again.
PS I am sure people knew I meant DXB, if not I did mean Dubai ladies and gents
PS I am sure people knew I meant DXB, if not I did mean Dubai ladies and gents
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Do like the way the Captain decides he's had enough of this and hands over RT responsibility to the American First Officer. (Or, a diplomatic American Captain decides to take over before his First Officer starts a punch up with ATC)
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Enough it was one as bad as the other, the EK captain didnt need to be so rude and also ATC didnt need to keep repeating to keep up the argument, it was more ATC's fault than the pilots on the EK flight.
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I am now a "retired" ATSA, and know the ATCO quite well. He is telling the Emirates Captain just what is happening. ie MAPLC start a Runway inspection when they want to, irrespective of Aircraft Movements.
10 inbounds, put them in the hold, we have to do a R/w inspection NOW [can't wait 15-20 mins] same with Departures....
After all it is MA's train set........
10 inbounds, put them in the hold, we have to do a R/w inspection NOW [can't wait 15-20 mins] same with Departures....
After all it is MA's train set........
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Do the CAA have a rule in force, that a runway inspection has to be carried out at certain intervals, or is this done just on on an ad hoc basis by the airport authorities.
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Runway Inspections
It certainly is MA's 'Train Set'. MA is the Airport Licence Holder and as such is accountable for safety [ANO article 211/212]. Runway inspections are a fundamental part of managing the airport safely.
The MA Aerodrome Manual [available on line] and itself a legally required document, determines the requirement for runway inspection frequency, together with the procedure for coordinating such inspections with ATC.
This procedure is designed to cause minimum inconvenience to aircraft operators whilst at the same time providing adequate inspection routines.
So many times in aviation history serious incidents and worse have occured as a consequence of inadequate inspections.
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The MA Aerodrome Manual [available on line] and itself a legally required document, determines the requirement for runway inspection frequency, together with the procedure for coordinating such inspections with ATC.
This procedure is designed to cause minimum inconvenience to aircraft operators whilst at the same time providing adequate inspection routines.
So many times in aviation history serious incidents and worse have occured as a consequence of inadequate inspections.
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Can't they liase with ATC to balance movements against demand, so the the runway is still checked every X hours without bringing the entire operation to a juddering halt?