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paully,
I guess you are not a Labour fan!
The main reason for why police are not involved with security is that it is a waste of resources.
Police are trained in a similar way to the military (with some obvious differences!) They are given basic training before going to do certain jobs which they will then train to do: SO19, CID etc.
By training Police and then having them work airport security is of many things a complete waste of money. Would you really pay up to £36,000 for a PC to walk around an airport?! Police are highly trained to do what they do and spending £millions per year for them to do a job a private firm can provide for much cheaper is economic suicide.
As you will see, Police are present at all airports in many forms, often seen in the terminals, kitted out in expensive kit, holding large guns which they are VERY highly trained to use. THAT is what they are for - not for looking at a hand baggage screen all day.
Comments like that do seem to show that you HAVE worked in that sort of industry, and have never even looked at the economics of it.
I do very much agree with your comments about Israeli operations - this should be a benchmark our government should work to. Much cheaper and more effective. Having used Tel Aviv I can safely (no pun intended) say that it is the quickest and most relaxed experience I have ever had in an airport. It would certainly benefit using airports in the plane v train debate for domestic flights.
I guess you are not a Labour fan!
Why are the Police not involved at security, as an overview.
Police are trained in a similar way to the military (with some obvious differences!) They are given basic training before going to do certain jobs which they will then train to do: SO19, CID etc.
By training Police and then having them work airport security is of many things a complete waste of money. Would you really pay up to £36,000 for a PC to walk around an airport?! Police are highly trained to do what they do and spending £millions per year for them to do a job a private firm can provide for much cheaper is economic suicide.
As you will see, Police are present at all airports in many forms, often seen in the terminals, kitted out in expensive kit, holding large guns which they are VERY highly trained to use. THAT is what they are for - not for looking at a hand baggage screen all day.
Comments like that do seem to show that you HAVE worked in that sort of industry, and have never even looked at the economics of it.
I do very much agree with your comments about Israeli operations - this should be a benchmark our government should work to. Much cheaper and more effective. Having used Tel Aviv I can safely (no pun intended) say that it is the quickest and most relaxed experience I have ever had in an airport. It would certainly benefit using airports in the plane v train debate for domestic flights.
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Does anyone know how many potential terrorists have been 'caught' at Man security? What percentage of confiscated liquids have ever turned out to be ' bomb grade'?
Its just high profile Orwellian scaremongering, keep the Proles in check by telling them that if they don't strip naked for the scanner , they are guilty of 'thought-terror'.
Its just high profile Orwellian scaremongering, keep the Proles in check by telling them that if they don't strip naked for the scanner , they are guilty of 'thought-terror'.
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I haven't a clue on numbers but surely it is worth every penny spent if it even saves the lives of 40 people on an ATR going to Guernsey as it is on a 747 to MCO.
You cannot put a value on life and I think it is worth every all the effort and £s to make it the case that we arrive at our destination as safe as possible...
You cannot put a value on life and I think it is worth every all the effort and £s to make it the case that we arrive at our destination as safe as possible...
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Dont like getting into tit for tat, so glad we are agreed on the Israeli aspect. With regard to Police involvement, they need to be there for a professional overview of the security staff whatever the cost, not having PC`s checking every bag, obviously. Funnily enough when the IRA was at its height a similar Police presence was operated at airports like manchester.
Clearly security, these days, is done to a price and we all get what we are required to pay for. Best wishes
Clearly security, these days, is done to a price and we all get what we are required to pay for. Best wishes
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MUFC,
Do I feel any safer on my a/c because the entire passenger and crew load have been stripped ? No
Do I have the right to go to work unmolestered in order to hold up my end of the security chain? Yes
If these scanners are so bloomin important to flight safety why not have them at the gate and not before the glorified shopping mall? Don't say cost, cos its not about money its about safety , yeah?
Do I feel any safer on my a/c because the entire passenger and crew load have been stripped ? No
Do I have the right to go to work unmolestered in order to hold up my end of the security chain? Yes
If these scanners are so bloomin important to flight safety why not have them at the gate and not before the glorified shopping mall? Don't say cost, cos its not about money its about safety , yeah?
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Is anybody? There again you coming from the cobbled end of the M6 explains alot
I for one do not vote for ANY of the three major parties but being involved in economics since school, from my opinion, Cameron's policies are amateurish at best and I ask you to find another government (of a similar economic position) in the world following their policies. Anyway, that is a story for another day.
Clearly security, these days, is done to a price and we all get what we are required to pay for.
Do I feel any safer on my a/c because the entire passenger and crew load have been stripped ? No
"Stripped?"
Do I have the right to go to work unmolestered in order to hold up my end of the security chain? Yes
If these scanners are so bloomin important to flight safety why not have them at the gate and not before the glorified shopping mall? Don't say cost, cos its not about money its about safety , yeah?
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X ray scanning
My view on this was published in a rebutable daily paper early January:
It is surely a matter of luck that the terrorist attempt to destroy Flight 253 flight failed, but it emphasises the need for constant vigilance and enhanced security for all passengers. This year, Manchester airport introduced passenger X-ray scanning, which was subjected to problems and criticism not least from those purporting to uphold human rights. Indeed, I believe that an early decision was made not to screen passengers under the age of 18.
The rationale for such a decision doesn't stand up to any kind of reasoned scrutiny. If my memory serves me correctly I also recall that certain sectors of our society refused to be screened by "sniffer dogs", it being contrary to their faith or beliefs. I don't, for one moment question the right of any individual to hold a particular view. But when that belief either impinges on, or may threaten, the lives of others, a line has to be drawn. Those wishing to travel by air must be prepared to subject themselves to whatever security measures are deemed necessary. If not, they don't travel.
"Daynehold" (Name changed for obvious reasons)
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Again I recognise that my view will offend some people. But before they reply please can they reflect on another Human Right - the right to life.
And if anyone out there tries to identify me may I remind them of the right to privacy.
It is surely a matter of luck that the terrorist attempt to destroy Flight 253 flight failed, but it emphasises the need for constant vigilance and enhanced security for all passengers. This year, Manchester airport introduced passenger X-ray scanning, which was subjected to problems and criticism not least from those purporting to uphold human rights. Indeed, I believe that an early decision was made not to screen passengers under the age of 18.
The rationale for such a decision doesn't stand up to any kind of reasoned scrutiny. If my memory serves me correctly I also recall that certain sectors of our society refused to be screened by "sniffer dogs", it being contrary to their faith or beliefs. I don't, for one moment question the right of any individual to hold a particular view. But when that belief either impinges on, or may threaten, the lives of others, a line has to be drawn. Those wishing to travel by air must be prepared to subject themselves to whatever security measures are deemed necessary. If not, they don't travel.
"Daynehold" (Name changed for obvious reasons)
Stockport, Cheshire
Again I recognise that my view will offend some people. But before they reply please can they reflect on another Human Right - the right to life.
And if anyone out there tries to identify me may I remind them of the right to privacy.
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On a seperate note to some much earlier posts (seen as Ive just joined), I would like to point out that SQ are not really offering first class from MAN come 28th March. Yes you can get to MUC in F, but try booking a whole MAN-SIN F class ticket, and I dont know about anyone else but it tells me that 'Singapore Airlines does not offer First class on this route' and offers J class fares instead.....
Seems to me, MUC has pilfered our flight number and the new routing is of more benefit to MUC travellers, not MAN's. Ah well.
Therefore, if EK do offer F with the A380, they will be the only longhaul route that does so.
over and out!
Seems to me, MUC has pilfered our flight number and the new routing is of more benefit to MUC travellers, not MAN's. Ah well.
Therefore, if EK do offer F with the A380, they will be the only longhaul route that does so.
over and out!
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On a seperate note to some much earlier posts (seen as Ive just joined), I would like to point out that SQ are not really offering first class from MAN come 28th March. Yes you can get to MUC in F, but try booking a whole MAN-SIN F class ticket, and I dont know about anyone else but it tells me that 'Singapore Airlines does not offer First class on this route' and offers J class fares instead.....
Seems to me, MUC has pilfered our flight number and the new routing is of more benefit to MUC travellers, not MAN's. Ah well.
Therefore, if EK do offer F with the A380, they will be the only longhaul route that does so.
over and out!
Seems to me, MUC has pilfered our flight number and the new routing is of more benefit to MUC travellers, not MAN's. Ah well.
Therefore, if EK do offer F with the A380, they will be the only longhaul route that does so.
over and out!
Israeli security.
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does this entail?
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does this entail?
There has never been a security problem on a flight from the main international airport and the last attack from any Israeli airport was in 1969...
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But the police are involved in the security, mainly in the background behind one way glass or via surveillance cameras. Sometimes they put in an appearance to check passports etc at the back of the search comb.
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Oh no!! This snow shower wasn't forecast and there's at least 1mm on the ground. Expect MAN to issue a SNOCLO any minute. 
I've now seen the pictures from Sunday and that was 1 heavy localised snow shower!! Etihad on stand and titles obscured by snow covering, etc.Better get ready for Weds afternoon "Heavy Snow".
The thing is, if a terrorist wanted to get something on a plane, then they could. No matter how much security etc we go through there's always a way to get anything on board. I fly regularly out of liverpool (General Aviation). No security there whatsoever for me. When i need fuel, i have to taxi to the main apron. Yesterday i was parked next to a ryr 737. Call the fueller, he comes out i give him whatever i want to. His next job is the ryr 737. He goes onto the flightdeck with the fuel chit & bingo
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"He goes onto the flightdeck with the fuel chit & bingo" ?
Has Michael O Leary come up with another way of making money now then ? 'BINGO'...I ask you !!
Has Michael O Leary come up with another way of making money now then ? 'BINGO'...I ask you !!
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'You can't put a price on life' - really?
'You can't put a price on life' - according to most industries you can. Complex formulaes are utilised to determine the point at which it is commonly regarded as uneconomic to further safeguard against loss of life. Seperately, many people would cogently postulate that a similar balance should be struck between the saving of a life and the safeguarding of civil liberties. This latter point generally doesn't relate specifically to airport security, rather to intrusion of the State into whatever it's agents feel like concerning themselves with.
The general point is a reasonable philosophy though.
The general point is a reasonable philosophy though.
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it's now showing as 40% probability for snow from 1pm to 5 pm going off the 6.30pm TAF. Mixed rain and snow preceeding it though. Dont' envisage it causing too many alarms at the moment.
and relating positive route news, Etihad's now showing 777 operations from June 7th.
and relating positive route news, Etihad's now showing 777 operations from June 7th.
Last edited by Ringwayman; 2nd Feb 2010 at 19:43. Reason: Etihad news spotted