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Why during yesterdays snow did the airport issue that it was closed until 2000 when in fact it re-opened at 1830?. This false information being given out by the ATC units caused several aircraft to divert unnecessarily causing cost to airlines and disruption to passengers.
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Why during yesterdays snow did the airport issue that it was closed until 2000 when in fact it re-opened at 1830
Err...maybee that the 2000hrs opening time was an estimate, the snow stopped at 1800 hrs and they were able to get the place open again, any aircraft on route would have been kept updated so nothing would have diverted unnecessarily, you only have to look at the arrivals to see that stuff was getting in, if what your saying is correct then none of this would have got in ....
18:37 SAS541 OY-KBL Airbus A321-23218:40 SAS2549 OY-KHM McDonnell-Douglas MD8219:01 TCX76LN G-FCLF Boeing 757-28A19:03 UAE19 A6-EBH Boeing 777-31HER19:07 FIN3689 OH-LKL Embraer EMB190-100LR19:17 BMA376Q G-EMBI Embraer EMB145EU19:24 AFR116E F-GKXN Airbus A320-21419:28 SHT2G G-BUSK Airbus A320-21119:32 BEE207 G-JECH De Havilland DHC8-40219:35 EIN20D EI-EDS Airbus A320-21419:41 KLM1093 PH-BDP Boeing 737-30619:43 MON859P G-MONK Boeing 757-2T719:46 CAL6639 B-18709 Boeing 747-409F (SCD)19:50 BEE375 G-ECOK De Havilland DHC8-40219:53 SHT2910 G-DOCS Boeing 737-436
Nothing diverted anywhere as a result of Manchester estimating 2000 Hrs.
Does that answer your question ??
Err...maybee that the 2000hrs opening time was an estimate, the snow stopped at 1800 hrs and they were able to get the place open again, any aircraft on route would have been kept updated so nothing would have diverted unnecessarily, you only have to look at the arrivals to see that stuff was getting in, if what your saying is correct then none of this would have got in ....
18:37 SAS541 OY-KBL Airbus A321-23218:40 SAS2549 OY-KHM McDonnell-Douglas MD8219:01 TCX76LN G-FCLF Boeing 757-28A19:03 UAE19 A6-EBH Boeing 777-31HER19:07 FIN3689 OH-LKL Embraer EMB190-100LR19:17 BMA376Q G-EMBI Embraer EMB145EU19:24 AFR116E F-GKXN Airbus A320-21419:28 SHT2G G-BUSK Airbus A320-21119:32 BEE207 G-JECH De Havilland DHC8-40219:35 EIN20D EI-EDS Airbus A320-21419:41 KLM1093 PH-BDP Boeing 737-30619:43 MON859P G-MONK Boeing 757-2T719:46 CAL6639 B-18709 Boeing 747-409F (SCD)19:50 BEE375 G-ECOK De Havilland DHC8-40219:53 SHT2910 G-DOCS Boeing 737-436
Nothing diverted anywhere as a result of Manchester estimating 2000 Hrs.
Does that answer your question ??
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"Nothing diverted elsewhere due to Manchester estimating opening at 2000"
Not true - At least 2 ZB's diverted to BHX/EMA with over 90 mins holding fuel having been told MAN will not open until 2000 at the earliest.
Not true - At least 2 ZB's diverted to BHX/EMA with over 90 mins holding fuel having been told MAN will not open until 2000 at the earliest.
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"Nothing diverted unnecessarily"
Not true - At least 2 ZB's diverted to BHX/EMA with over 90 mins holding fuel having been told MAN will open until 2000 at the earliest.
At what time did this happen ???
Not true - At least 2 ZB's diverted to BHX/EMA with over 90 mins holding fuel having been told MAN will open until 2000 at the earliest.
At what time did this happen ???
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Give it up defending the indefencable..! Just accept that it was another foul-up courtesy of our local aerodrome!
Nah...why would i do that ??? the people who are bashing the airport do so from the comfort of their arm-chair, no idea whatsover.
Think you will find that the ZB that went to BHX did so at about 16.30 ish, even if he would have held until the earliest opening time he would have needed 2 + hours of holding fuel, so my point is he would have had to divert even if the airport would have said it would be re-opening at 1800 hrs !!!!
The previous poster said that the diversion was un-nessesary.
Nah...why would i do that ??? the people who are bashing the airport do so from the comfort of their arm-chair, no idea whatsover.
Think you will find that the ZB that went to BHX did so at about 16.30 ish, even if he would have held until the earliest opening time he would have needed 2 + hours of holding fuel, so my point is he would have had to divert even if the airport would have said it would be re-opening at 1800 hrs !!!!
The previous poster said that the diversion was un-nessesary.
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Why during yesterdays snow did the airport issue that it was closed until 2000 when in fact it re-opened at 1830
ZB I/B from ACE arrived in BHX around 1800
ZB I/B from TFS arrived EMA 1820
ZB I/B from TFS arrived EMA 1820
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Another apologist..welcome my friend
Mark,
As you're such an expert on this at least share with us how you'd keep a runway, taxiways and stands clear of heavy snow and the airport open, maybe send it in. I mean it's happened at pretty much every UK airport at some point this winter, you know something the UK aviation industry doesn't, you need to share your expertise. Or maybe, as you're coming across, you're just a professional complainer/whinger who doesn't really understand a thing you talk about?
Mark,
As you're such an expert on this at least share with us how you'd keep a runway, taxiways and stands clear of heavy snow and the airport open, maybe send it in. I mean it's happened at pretty much every UK airport at some point this winter, you know something the UK aviation industry doesn't, you need to share your expertise. Or maybe, as you're coming across, you're just a professional complainer/whinger who doesn't really understand a thing you talk about?
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Someone famous once said 'When you have a to resort to personal insults to win an argument then the argument itself is lost'
Thats not up to me mate what I would do,thats why the airport pays good money for people to provide the brains and the manpower to do that, but it doesnt mean to say people can't have an opinion that opposes yours...!
Thats not up to me mate what I would do,thats why the airport pays good money for people to provide the brains and the manpower to do that, but it doesnt mean to say people can't have an opinion that opposes yours...!
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Manchesters Passenger Decline Continues into 2010
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January 2010 movements - 10,617 down 18.59%
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A few serious questions
1)How much does one of these big snowplows cost that is operated by the Likes of Oslo or Helsinki?
2) How many would MAN need to clear both runways and all taxyways and aprons in
about an hour or two
3) How many staff would that need to man vehicles and maintain at a few minutes notice should it start to snow or what would these guys/gals do when it is not snowing
( most years probably 360+ ).
4) Presuming you cannot have big snow banks at sides of taxyway/runway how many lorry loads of snow would need to be moved and where is it put.
5) how many deicing vehicles would be needed
This is not a sarcastic request I am very interested to learn about what it takes as
i have little knowlege ( like many others ) on this
Ian B
1)How much does one of these big snowplows cost that is operated by the Likes of Oslo or Helsinki?
2) How many would MAN need to clear both runways and all taxyways and aprons in
about an hour or two
3) How many staff would that need to man vehicles and maintain at a few minutes notice should it start to snow or what would these guys/gals do when it is not snowing
( most years probably 360+ ).
4) Presuming you cannot have big snow banks at sides of taxyway/runway how many lorry loads of snow would need to be moved and where is it put.
5) how many deicing vehicles would be needed
This is not a sarcastic request I am very interested to learn about what it takes as
i have little knowlege ( like many others ) on this
Ian B