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Yes I have heard this rumour aswell. Also rumoured that up to four of those four emb190's are being sold to Lufthansa's regional arm - CityLine anyone have any further info on this? Also any news on the 4 ex SAS Dash's on the short term leases will they leave the fleet aswell as the other 5? potentially 13 aircraft on the way out then?
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Just checked selective dates in May, June & September and BHX seems
to go down to one 195.
The BHX-GLA-BHX-DUS-BHX is now showing as a Q400 from I think the
third week in May.
The other 195 is still listed as BHX-MXP-BHX-GLA-BHX-EDI-BHX.
The away based 195 flights still seem the same from EDI & BHD.
Although I am sure two are required at the weekend for Split
and Dubrovnik plus charters to AHO, INS and Bastia.
Peter
to go down to one 195.
The BHX-GLA-BHX-DUS-BHX is now showing as a Q400 from I think the
third week in May.
The other 195 is still listed as BHX-MXP-BHX-GLA-BHX-EDI-BHX.
The away based 195 flights still seem the same from EDI & BHD.
Although I am sure two are required at the weekend for Split
and Dubrovnik plus charters to AHO, INS and Bastia.
Peter
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I cant see Flyble losing 5 195's just seems like 2 many.
There are still 2 145's left, maybe they are 5 'EMB's' going,
meaning 2 145's and 3 195's.
I dont know the loads of any other station but, Manchester MXP and LDE will be on a 195, with the odd MXP on a dash. But there are 4 or 5 extra Charaters starting soon, and i know that some of them are opertated by the 195.
So with the LDE definitely on a 195, there will either need to be 2 based 195's in MAN or alot of Positioning. I assume that Flybe will have summer charater flights out of other stations too, as was the winter 195 program.
Realistically I can only see 1 or 2 going, and if they do, they will only be leased out.
There are still 2 145's left, maybe they are 5 'EMB's' going,
meaning 2 145's and 3 195's.
I dont know the loads of any other station but, Manchester MXP and LDE will be on a 195, with the odd MXP on a dash. But there are 4 or 5 extra Charaters starting soon, and i know that some of them are opertated by the 195.
So with the LDE definitely on a 195, there will either need to be 2 based 195's in MAN or alot of Positioning. I assume that Flybe will have summer charater flights out of other stations too, as was the winter 195 program.
Realistically I can only see 1 or 2 going, and if they do, they will only be leased out.
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All businesses have to ‘right size’ to remain profitable and fit enough to ride out the current economic storm. Therefore, some adjustment to the FlyBe’s previously announced fleet planning is almost inevitable, especially given some of the double digit falls in pax numbers through many of their key hubs, which must be hurting them.
However, with two E-145’s to leave the fleet soon and at least two more Dash 8’s needed to launch the new LGW base, some pretty big cuts would be required to generate these aircraft, if no more Dash’s arrive and four 195’s disappear too.
Overall, these numbers don’t seem to add up, unless a major culling of frequencies and/or routes is in the offing too.
However, with two E-145’s to leave the fleet soon and at least two more Dash 8’s needed to launch the new LGW base, some pretty big cuts would be required to generate these aircraft, if no more Dash’s arrive and four 195’s disappear too.
Overall, these numbers don’t seem to add up, unless a major culling of frequencies and/or routes is in the offing too.
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4 E95s are indeed planned to be removed from the schedule over the course of the summer. Affected bases have been announced as BHX, SOU, EXT and BHD.
I doubt very much that these aircraft are to be sold. I suspect that the intention is to release them from scheduled services where loads are currently better suited to the Dash, and to free them up for a variety of charters and/or leases, where the E95 has a greater potential.
Lucrative work if you can get it.
I doubt very much that these aircraft are to be sold. I suspect that the intention is to release them from scheduled services where loads are currently better suited to the Dash, and to free them up for a variety of charters and/or leases, where the E95 has a greater potential.
Lucrative work if you can get it.
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Winter 2009/10 released
Just checked BHX and there are some modest reductions.
FRA goes from three to two daily in the week and CDG from
four to three.
HAJ remains double daily on Wed & Thu.
BHD 5 a day every week day
GLA 5 a day on Mon/Tu/Fri
With the loss of the 145's the seat difference is probably
similar.
The ABZ schedule is still a bit odd considering BMI Regionals
good timings and is mainly just two a day in the week (3 Thu).
Not checked other bases.
Pete
FRA goes from three to two daily in the week and CDG from
four to three.
HAJ remains double daily on Wed & Thu.
BHD 5 a day every week day
GLA 5 a day on Mon/Tu/Fri
With the loss of the 145's the seat difference is probably
similar.
The ABZ schedule is still a bit odd considering BMI Regionals
good timings and is mainly just two a day in the week (3 Thu).
Not checked other bases.
Pete
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I frequently fly with Highland on the Stornoway - Benbecula route and the service is not very good. I have on occasions been sitting around the airport expecting the be called and the staff have the binoculars out looking for the plane that has not even left were it was coming from yet. A simple phone call to a. let the staff know and b. let the pax know would only be common courtesy.
The fares are a joke too. Stornoway - Benbecula £120 economy return (if you are lucky) for being on 15 minutes and they normally have decent loads and that is it with government subsidy apparently. When I fly Benbecula - Inverness I normaly change onto Loganair (Flybe) in Stornoway as its much cheaper and the cabin is clean, tidy, your hand luggage doesn't get confiscated from you!
Also I was on when an elderly woman was travelling for a hospital visit who was unsteady on her feet and they refused to use ambulift, which I believe the lady's doctor requested. The lady fell over the deathtrap of a step and was hurt badly. Not an infrequent occurance from what I hear.
Even without subsidy I think Flybe (Loganair) would make a better go of the route. It would allow interlining services to Inverness and Edinburgh and also be more useful to Barra pax. It would also have cheaper connection to Aberdeen/Sumburgh.
What happened to the extra rotation of GLA -BEB throughout June and September, only JUly and August showing on flybe.com now.
Is there any reason why they would not be allowed to fly the route if the others get subsidy?
The fares are a joke too. Stornoway - Benbecula £120 economy return (if you are lucky) for being on 15 minutes and they normally have decent loads and that is it with government subsidy apparently. When I fly Benbecula - Inverness I normaly change onto Loganair (Flybe) in Stornoway as its much cheaper and the cabin is clean, tidy, your hand luggage doesn't get confiscated from you!
Also I was on when an elderly woman was travelling for a hospital visit who was unsteady on her feet and they refused to use ambulift, which I believe the lady's doctor requested. The lady fell over the deathtrap of a step and was hurt badly. Not an infrequent occurance from what I hear.
Even without subsidy I think Flybe (Loganair) would make a better go of the route. It would allow interlining services to Inverness and Edinburgh and also be more useful to Barra pax. It would also have cheaper connection to Aberdeen/Sumburgh.
What happened to the extra rotation of GLA -BEB throughout June and September, only JUly and August showing on flybe.com now.
Is there any reason why they would not be allowed to fly the route if the others get subsidy?
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But the point being missed is that the SYY - BEB service is a PSO, public service obligation. This is a contract that must be tendered for in due course. Highland won it last time, from the previous incumbant, Loganair (pre Flybe days).
It would be illegal for any other operator to set up an additional service on this route to undercut them.
Incidentally the cost of the flights are agreed (if not set) by the Western Isles council. Any changes must be passed by them and approved before happening.
Another point of note is that a lot, if not the majority, of the seats are paid for by the state anyway. Most travellers are council staff or NHS staff and patients.
Perhaps Logan/Flybe will tender again next time, who knows. But in the mean time what you have got is what you have got.
The ambulift situation has been clarified on the other thread (Highland Airways).
The JS31 can use 'modified' ambulifts, available at SYY and BEB, but not INV.
The airport are required to provide them, but particularly at SYY they are often driven by HWY staff. The only reason ambulift would not be provided would be unserviceability (not uncommon) and high winds (also not uncommon). In that situation crews have been known to do all they can to assist pax with boarding. But if not possible it must be a Kingair or EC135. I have known this only once in eight years of operating the route.
My interest in this matter is as a former long serving HWY captain, and a recent new start Flybe Q400 captain.
CRX.
It would be illegal for any other operator to set up an additional service on this route to undercut them.
Incidentally the cost of the flights are agreed (if not set) by the Western Isles council. Any changes must be passed by them and approved before happening.
Another point of note is that a lot, if not the majority, of the seats are paid for by the state anyway. Most travellers are council staff or NHS staff and patients.
Perhaps Logan/Flybe will tender again next time, who knows. But in the mean time what you have got is what you have got.
The ambulift situation has been clarified on the other thread (Highland Airways).
The JS31 can use 'modified' ambulifts, available at SYY and BEB, but not INV.
The airport are required to provide them, but particularly at SYY they are often driven by HWY staff. The only reason ambulift would not be provided would be unserviceability (not uncommon) and high winds (also not uncommon). In that situation crews have been known to do all they can to assist pax with boarding. But if not possible it must be a Kingair or EC135. I have known this only once in eight years of operating the route.
My interest in this matter is as a former long serving HWY captain, and a recent new start Flybe Q400 captain.
CRX.
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Flybe Lourdes
I see that Flybe have just started a Manchester to Lourdes twice weekly
charter, and I believe that a whole load of Ad Hocs are also on the horizon from various airports inc EXT JER DSA LBA EDI and others with the E 195,probably ex EAC work. How will they get 118 pax all their bags and say 12 wheelchairs in the hold ? It was difficult enough in the days of the BAC 111.
No doubt somebody has thought this through.
charter, and I believe that a whole load of Ad Hocs are also on the horizon from various airports inc EXT JER DSA LBA EDI and others with the E 195,probably ex EAC work. How will they get 118 pax all their bags and say 12 wheelchairs in the hold ? It was difficult enough in the days of the BAC 111.
No doubt somebody has thought this through.
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and I believe that a whole load of Ad Hocs are also on the horizon from various airports inc EXT JER DSA LBA EDI and others with the E 195,probably ex EAC work
Although it would be nice to be proved wrong!
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Adhoc Lourdes flights to:
Exeter
Manchester (not so much adhoc as all through summer)
Stansted
Glasgow Prestwick
Cardiff
Doncaster
Edinburgh
All E195 operated
I am not sure about LBA I think it may appear once but cannot be 100% sure.
Exeter
Manchester (not so much adhoc as all through summer)
Stansted
Glasgow Prestwick
Cardiff
Doncaster
Edinburgh
All E195 operated
I am not sure about LBA I think it may appear once but cannot be 100% sure.
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How will they get 118 pax all their bags and say 12 wheelchairs in the hold ? It was difficult enough in the days of the BAC 111.
No doubt somebody has thought this through.
No doubt somebody has thought this through.
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