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Quite possible it could be another significant wet lease contract.
I'd be surprised if it was a significant expansion of Flybe UK scheduled flights as there is not much money in te pot to support new routes. If anything, think we'll see cuts (perhaps to released aircraft for more wet lease work).
Purely speculating however...
I'd be surprised if it was a significant expansion of Flybe UK scheduled flights as there is not much money in te pot to support new routes. If anything, think we'll see cuts (perhaps to released aircraft for more wet lease work).
Purely speculating however...
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If it is Big Annoucement as in a positive one, I would bet it is increase in its wet lease arrangements ala Brussels Airlines. Cant see in the current state, them aquiring another carrier.
They seem to be getting it on all sides at LGW e.g. EZY on routes like IOM, and EI putting up stiff competition on Belfast City route. Could LGW be about to get the axe in the guise of charges are too high, and all but JER and GCI get axed?
Is Belfast City going to get linked with STN if MOLs visits to BHD in the last 2 consecutive Friday dont bear fruit?
My money is on the above, that's if there is in fact an annoucement...
They seem to be getting it on all sides at LGW e.g. EZY on routes like IOM, and EI putting up stiff competition on Belfast City route. Could LGW be about to get the axe in the guise of charges are too high, and all but JER and GCI get axed?
Is Belfast City going to get linked with STN if MOLs visits to BHD in the last 2 consecutive Friday dont bear fruit?
My money is on the above, that's if there is in fact an annoucement...
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Flight details
Flight:BA4086 Operated by equatorial Congo Airline For Flybe Departing from Donegal
Tue 12 February 2013, 07:55 Arriving at Dublin
Tue 12 February 2013, 08:50Number of stops:0 Flying duration:0hrs 55mins Aircraft type:SAAB SF 340 turbo prop Selling class:L
There is an interest snapshot from a BA search for flights from Donegal to London!
It refers to Equatorial Congo airlines instead of Loganair!!
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Flight:BA4086 Operated by equatorial Congo Airline For Flybe Departing from Donegal
Tue 12 February 2013, 07:55 Arriving at Dublin
Tue 12 February 2013, 08:50Number of stops:0 Flying duration:0hrs 55mins Aircraft type:SAAB SF 340 turbo prop Selling class:L
There is an interest snapshot from a BA search for flights from Donegal to London!
It refers to Equatorial Congo airlines instead of Loganair!!
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EI-BUD very interesting so BA contract in Flybe who sub contract to Equatorial Congo. See how it goes then put a q400 on if goes well? Although I see ECA have no Saabs surely they wouldn't lease in aswell got to be Loganair?
Any chance potential announcement is new CEO? With French stepping down?
Any chance potential announcement is new CEO? With French stepping down?
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Hey Maverick8701; I think it is a mistake, that was meant to be my point!
On a separate Flybe note, I see that tomorrow BHD LGW down to three but more significantly its last flight ex BHD is at 1425, and ex LGW at 1620, not very business orientated...the other days past tomorrow have the later evening flights as normal.. surprising that a Monday with no facility for business man who wants to fly past 5pm...!
On a separate Flybe note, I see that tomorrow BHD LGW down to three but more significantly its last flight ex BHD is at 1425, and ex LGW at 1620, not very business orientated...the other days past tomorrow have the later evening flights as normal.. surprising that a Monday with no facility for business man who wants to fly past 5pm...!
EI-BUD - rather unfortunate that both Loganair and Equatorial Congo Airlines seem to claim IATA airline code LC....
I though airlines codes were meant to refer to only 1 airline at any one time, with possible recycling after an airline ceases operations, but it seems my assumption is wrong
I though airlines codes were meant to refer to only 1 airline at any one time, with possible recycling after an airline ceases operations, but it seems my assumption is wrong
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They seem to be getting it on all sides at LGW e.g. EZY on routes like IOM, and EI putting up stiff competition on Belfast City route. Could LGW be about to get the axe in the guise of charges are too high, and all but JER and GCI get axed?
Is Belfast City going to get linked with STN if MOLs visits to BHD in the last 2 consecutive Friday dont bear fruit?
Is Belfast City going to get linked with STN if MOLs visits to BHD in the last 2 consecutive Friday dont bear fruit?
- There is a large Ryanair presence at Stansted
- Gatwick is much larger and offers more options for onward travel.
They have always been the reasons I've heard why BE have never served STN however, neither are really an issue nowadays. Stansted has more "scheduled European destinations than any other airport in the world" offering a better range of destinations for short-haul onward travel. Also, as FlyBe mainly flies domestic routes, Ryanair is not going to be of much competition to them, since they have very little intention to add UK domestic routes due to APD (hence the reason they closed STN-PIK). FlyBe now have increased competition at Gatwick with EasyJet, BA and Aer Lingus for which they have an unfair advantage as Gatwick charge more for the regional sized aircraft that FlyBe use.
I think that the new owner of Stansted may target FlyBe and I think that FlyBe will show more interest once it's out of BAA's hands. If MAG gets Stansted, I think it will be increasingly likely for FlyBe to make a move.
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This has been a fairly quiet thread in recent weeks.
I have been wondering recently how Easyjet can run double daily on A319 to Belfast from Newcastle whilst Flybe operate twice daily only on some days on the Dash 8. Are Flybe and Easyjet targeting different markets? Likewise on some other uk domestic routes where competition is less. I know the market is tough but in as I have said before less demand may follow frequency cuts rather than the otherway around!
For example I will tend to fly to Newcastle from LHR than Southampton these days even though I live very close to Southampton because the timings suit me. Also at the fares at BA are competitive even after allowing for petrol money and car parking at Terminal 5. A couple of years back with 4 flights a day from Southampton Flybe nearly always got the business.
Personally although I know the Dash 8s have allowed Flybe to expand in recent years, I think the quicker they expand the E175 fleet the better. Then they can compete more effectively. I have been disappointed to see them retreat rather than fight their corner on several routes during the past year or so.
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I have been wondering recently how Easyjet can run double daily on A319 to Belfast from Newcastle whilst Flybe operate twice daily only on some days on the Dash 8. Are Flybe and Easyjet targeting different markets? Likewise on some other uk domestic routes where competition is less. I know the market is tough but in as I have said before less demand may follow frequency cuts rather than the otherway around!
For example I will tend to fly to Newcastle from LHR than Southampton these days even though I live very close to Southampton because the timings suit me. Also at the fares at BA are competitive even after allowing for petrol money and car parking at Terminal 5. A couple of years back with 4 flights a day from Southampton Flybe nearly always got the business.
Personally although I know the Dash 8s have allowed Flybe to expand in recent years, I think the quicker they expand the E175 fleet the better. Then they can compete more effectively. I have been disappointed to see them retreat rather than fight their corner on several routes during the past year or so.
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Just wanted to say bravo to the BE workers in the skies, on the ground and in the Ops department for their efforts over the last 48 hours. Even this evening as weather grounds aircraft in CDG with a large number of cancellations, Flybe are delaying departures and getting people back home in the UK. It may be later than they wanted, but at least its not a night in the airport - which with so many cancellations and limited hotel space would have the end result.
Too many people complain about this company. They do not always get it right and no doubt passengers will still moan about the delays over the last few days, but when considering what could have happened I think the wider BE team have pulled out all the stops to minimise disruption as much as they can.
Too many people complain about this company. They do not always get it right and no doubt passengers will still moan about the delays over the last few days, but when considering what could have happened I think the wider BE team have pulled out all the stops to minimise disruption as much as they can.
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I know the market is tough but in as I have said before less demand may
follow frequency cuts rather than the otherway around!
Ref to easyJet running double daily on BFS NCL; over the summer the numbers were well up on the previous year same months, and 320s on many of the flights, easyJet do well on this flight. I would suspect that the less price conscious traveller may choose BE, however EZY have the earliest departure from NCL each morning so if you want to be in Belfast earlier, you will choose EZY, so it may be that the demand is going in that direction??
However, in stark contrast is Jet2's BFS LBA with the frequencies down and hence the numbers, BE seems to be fairing much better on LBA...
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Thanks EI-BUD for your response.
So surely Flybe should say right lets compete properly on Newcastle-Belfast.
Reliable double daily new E175 with competitive fares. Sorry if I sound like an armchair CEO just frustrated! Well done Easyjet for making a go of it though.
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So surely Flybe should say right lets compete properly on Newcastle-Belfast.
Reliable double daily new E175 with competitive fares. Sorry if I sound like an armchair CEO just frustrated! Well done Easyjet for making a go of it though.
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Flybe for Stansted
For flybe to succeed at stansted they need long haul airlines to move in as well, so they can feed passengers on to the long haul. The flip side of this is, for any long haul to move into stansted, they would want some one like flybe to feed them.
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Sadly. I think flybe retreating in some areas is more about profit protection than anything. They don't have pockets like easyjet. I think though going onto the right routes they could make a good go of STN. BHD, IOM, WAT,JER, perhaps some regional France, maybe even CDG to offer connections.
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For flybe to succeed at stansted they need long haul airlines to move in as well, so they can feed passengers on to the long haul. The flip side of this is, for any long haul to move into stansted, they would want some one like flybe to feed them.
Stansted has more scheduled European destinations than any other airport in the world. There are many destinations across Europe where their only direct flights to the UK are from Stansted airport. Lets take this for an example:
Someone from Northern Ireland wants to get to one of those less heard of Ryanair destinations eg. Carcassonne, Lublin, Pescara... the list is huge of airports soley or mostly served from Stansted in the UK. Take Carcassonne for example. I bet that someone wanting to go there from Northern Ireland maybe for VFR (visiting friends & relatives) or for lesiure purposes would find it buch better to fly to Stansted, then book another flight to direct to Carcassonne rather than fly direct from Belfast to somewhere like Nice and then have to travel a long way at the foriegn end.
I know that sounds quite a niche market, but because the list of short-haul destinations that are unique or mostly served from Stansted is so huge, it soon adds up and to be fair, most of their customers are going to be flying to go to London and Stansted is a good gateway for them. And, FlyBe, which is now almost starting to suffer from the competition at Gatwick by BA, EI and EZY primarily, could bring a a range of domestic services that people of North and East London, East Anglia and into the Midlands would highly appreciate not to mention all of the people living near the new destinations that would be bought to Stansted who would in a lot of cases have more choice of London airports to fly to.
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