Ryanair - 'Laying Off' 600!!
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Strange that people here are worry about the future of Fr, still have a lot to propose as a low cost operator and don't worry when it will be the last to be on the loco market it will be time to think to pass to high fares.
If you want to discuss something which can affect us as pilots, why not speak about the bankruptcy of Air Berlin foreseen in October and all those well trained pilots ready to take job in England with lower t&C's
Have a good evening.
If you want to discuss something which can affect us as pilots, why not speak about the bankruptcy of Air Berlin foreseen in October and all those well trained pilots ready to take job in England with lower t&C's
Have a good evening.
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I have always posted on the positive side as far as Ryanair is concerned, and will not change my views.
Having just come back from my first trips with Ryanair as a passenger, I must say I expected nothing, especially after reading the Pprune posts, but got better service and a cleaner aircraft than on some legacy carriers, all for the princely sum of "Nothing" just taxes in either direction.
The food and drinks onboard were no higher priced than in London, the crew were polite and still cheerful on their 3rd / 4th sector of the day.
Booking charges were displayed on their web pages, and the options to check in online or at the airport (added cost) were clearly shown.
Industry T & C's have not been erroded solely because of Ryanair or any low cost operator, but by the Beancounters who rule the accounts departments of ALL carriers.
They see a way to cut costs and benefits they will do, then tell their employees that its because of competition from the low costs, and expect you to swallow that story again and again.
Having been in this industry in the Glory days when men were men etc etc, I can speak from experience.
Its not the low costs in the UK who have dragged down terms and conditions its the accountants and HR office weenies who want to save a penny or two at your expense.
Ryanair may not make a profit next year, but they will still be there in the years to come while other carriers have gone to the wall.
Why, the answer is simple they made the profits in the past and realised the good times could not last for ever, so their fighting fund is available to weather the stormy skies which will be with us for the next 12 months.
My heart felt sorrow will be with the newly qualified boys and girls who will not get a job because there will be too few slots available after their training.
Also there will be many out there facing an uncertain winter as the charter carriers cut back, and there will be the demise of carriers in Europe which will flood the market with qualified pilots.
To get a job will require the right type rating, not just jet experience, for those who recruit will do so on the lowest training cost to the operator, meaning if you fly our type and are current we will take the best on offer.
SSTR's will not die and in recession could well mean that its the only game in town.
I have been in this industry 36 years and have seen and been part of this cyclical merry go round, all I can say is hang in there, and good luck.
Finally I just heard that there is a shortage of Captains in Ryanair and that they may be looking at the USA to fill some of these slots quickly.
I hope there will be no exemptions to the EU rules on eligibility.
European Pilots First and Foremost.
Having just come back from my first trips with Ryanair as a passenger, I must say I expected nothing, especially after reading the Pprune posts, but got better service and a cleaner aircraft than on some legacy carriers, all for the princely sum of "Nothing" just taxes in either direction.
The food and drinks onboard were no higher priced than in London, the crew were polite and still cheerful on their 3rd / 4th sector of the day.
Booking charges were displayed on their web pages, and the options to check in online or at the airport (added cost) were clearly shown.
Industry T & C's have not been erroded solely because of Ryanair or any low cost operator, but by the Beancounters who rule the accounts departments of ALL carriers.
They see a way to cut costs and benefits they will do, then tell their employees that its because of competition from the low costs, and expect you to swallow that story again and again.
Having been in this industry in the Glory days when men were men etc etc, I can speak from experience.
Its not the low costs in the UK who have dragged down terms and conditions its the accountants and HR office weenies who want to save a penny or two at your expense.
Ryanair may not make a profit next year, but they will still be there in the years to come while other carriers have gone to the wall.
Why, the answer is simple they made the profits in the past and realised the good times could not last for ever, so their fighting fund is available to weather the stormy skies which will be with us for the next 12 months.
My heart felt sorrow will be with the newly qualified boys and girls who will not get a job because there will be too few slots available after their training.
Also there will be many out there facing an uncertain winter as the charter carriers cut back, and there will be the demise of carriers in Europe which will flood the market with qualified pilots.
To get a job will require the right type rating, not just jet experience, for those who recruit will do so on the lowest training cost to the operator, meaning if you fly our type and are current we will take the best on offer.
SSTR's will not die and in recession could well mean that its the only game in town.
I have been in this industry 36 years and have seen and been part of this cyclical merry go round, all I can say is hang in there, and good luck.
Finally I just heard that there is a shortage of Captains in Ryanair and that they may be looking at the USA to fill some of these slots quickly.
I hope there will be no exemptions to the EU rules on eligibility.
European Pilots First and Foremost.
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British Airways profits plunge 88pc as fuel costs soar - Telegraph
So is it the lo-cost model and non fuel hedging which is bad or the full service, fuel hedged that is??
So is it the lo-cost model and non fuel hedging which is bad or the full service, fuel hedged that is??
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"I also gather BA have just posted record profits in excess of £800m"
"Think that was the figure for the last nine months of 2007, their first quarter 2008 figures are released on Friday.
I gather from some of the comments on here that if BA's profits are down then their business model must be flawed also?"
I gather from some of the comments on here that if BA's profits are down then their business model must be flawed also?"
British Airways profits plunge 88pc as fuel costs soar - Telegraph
everyone is suffering.
This thread IS pointless.
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Full service, fuel hedged BA v lo-cost non fuel hedging RA
From Personal opinion i would have to say my BA experiences were and have been truthfully very bad !
I put it down to Bad management !
Not as a consequence of the crew's involved i might add !
Who ( pilots to stewards/stewardess's ) always gave economy passengers like myself 1st class service .
Having chosen BA initially based on reputation within the industry , word of mouth , service etc maybe i expected rather too much for my hard earned cash .
I have endured everything from simple baggage loss & delays , to grounded aircraft ( serious tech problems ) , cancelled flights and thuggery onboard
( 1st class yobs ) .
However my experience of low cost carriers has been nothing but exemplary. In particular the so called Dreaded Ryan Air .
Flights always on time , Fares fantastically low compared to BA , excellent service , cancellations only due to bad weather or strikes and suprisingly no thuggery on board ...the odd drunken rendition of ten green bottles but no out and out violence .
So why do i choose to fly Low Cost Airlines ?
Its not just about personal finance its often personal choice .
Whether the snobs within the industry like it or not The easyjets & Ryanairs of this world changed peoples lives .
I have travelled on well over 100 low cost flights in the last 5 years and the combined price of all said flights is probably less than a one way business class ticket with BA to New York !
My life has changed dramatically ...i have gone from being able to fly 2/3 times a year if lucky to being able to travel 2o + times a year .
At times on landing in places new i feel like i have won the lottery !
and before the snobs but in i ain't some nouveau rich chav savin his giro's to go ciggy smuggling either !!
Initially i decided to put my faith in good olde BA but after bad experience after bad experience i defected to Easyjet and Ryanair and so far never had any problems .
I feel so sorry for all those amazing people working for British Airways because those idiots in management are ruining your once proud reputation.
BA used to be the nations favourite carrier not anymore and its not due to the employees its the apalling management .
Terminal 5 Fiasco enough said !
I put it down to Bad management !
Not as a consequence of the crew's involved i might add !
Who ( pilots to stewards/stewardess's ) always gave economy passengers like myself 1st class service .
Having chosen BA initially based on reputation within the industry , word of mouth , service etc maybe i expected rather too much for my hard earned cash .
I have endured everything from simple baggage loss & delays , to grounded aircraft ( serious tech problems ) , cancelled flights and thuggery onboard
( 1st class yobs ) .
However my experience of low cost carriers has been nothing but exemplary. In particular the so called Dreaded Ryan Air .
Flights always on time , Fares fantastically low compared to BA , excellent service , cancellations only due to bad weather or strikes and suprisingly no thuggery on board ...the odd drunken rendition of ten green bottles but no out and out violence .
So why do i choose to fly Low Cost Airlines ?
Its not just about personal finance its often personal choice .
Whether the snobs within the industry like it or not The easyjets & Ryanairs of this world changed peoples lives .
I have travelled on well over 100 low cost flights in the last 5 years and the combined price of all said flights is probably less than a one way business class ticket with BA to New York !
My life has changed dramatically ...i have gone from being able to fly 2/3 times a year if lucky to being able to travel 2o + times a year .
At times on landing in places new i feel like i have won the lottery !
and before the snobs but in i ain't some nouveau rich chav savin his giro's to go ciggy smuggling either !!
Initially i decided to put my faith in good olde BA but after bad experience after bad experience i defected to Easyjet and Ryanair and so far never had any problems .
I feel so sorry for all those amazing people working for British Airways because those idiots in management are ruining your once proud reputation.
BA used to be the nations favourite carrier not anymore and its not due to the employees its the apalling management .
Terminal 5 Fiasco enough said !
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I don't know why they would be letting people go when they just offered me an interview for the captain seat.
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Dicksorchard,
Well said. The LCCs do give a good service - on-time record is generally better than the majors and price is obviously the big factor.
However, I must say that the BA crews that I've flown with as a pax have been outstanding - friendly, competent and efficient and as an aside, the best pilot PA announcements that I've ever heard. I presume that they do some training in this area? In any case, I hope they never lose this. And I use both LCCs and full-service carriers regularly.
Don't knock either end of the business. Easy and Ryan have opened doors for pilots who would never have got a look in at the majors in the past. Most use the LCCs to get their experience and then move on. I reckon that there are many many more pilot jobs in the world than there were in the pre-deregulation days. The pilot wins, the LCCs win and the majors later get very good pilots for free! There will always be room for both LCC and full-service carriers.
Well said. The LCCs do give a good service - on-time record is generally better than the majors and price is obviously the big factor.
However, I must say that the BA crews that I've flown with as a pax have been outstanding - friendly, competent and efficient and as an aside, the best pilot PA announcements that I've ever heard. I presume that they do some training in this area? In any case, I hope they never lose this. And I use both LCCs and full-service carriers regularly.
Don't knock either end of the business. Easy and Ryan have opened doors for pilots who would never have got a look in at the majors in the past. Most use the LCCs to get their experience and then move on. I reckon that there are many many more pilot jobs in the world than there were in the pre-deregulation days. The pilot wins, the LCCs win and the majors later get very good pilots for free! There will always be room for both LCC and full-service carriers.
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Gobsh*te at it again
MOL trying to talk confidence back into his shares....
Recession will be just the ticket, says Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary - Times Online
So so many words, yet nothing new.....
He's bricking it
Recession will be just the ticket, says Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary - Times Online
So so many words, yet nothing new.....
He's bricking it
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If, I repeat, If he's right, then where will that leave all of the posters on PPRUNE who seem to spend most of their precious free time slagging off RYR, MOL and all the bottom feeding scum pilots who work for him, I wonder?
Eating humble pie will not even begin to cut it when you come crawling to the door in Dublin looking for the crumbs of comfort you so require.
'Give us a job Michael, please.'
If you get told to crawl back from whence you came, don't feel too bitter about it, Ryanair pilots have been putting up with it from the loud and ignorant posters here for many years now.
Time will tell and I know which horse I would back right now.
Eating humble pie will not even begin to cut it when you come crawling to the door in Dublin looking for the crumbs of comfort you so require.
'Give us a job Michael, please.'
If you get told to crawl back from whence you came, don't feel too bitter about it, Ryanair pilots have been putting up with it from the loud and ignorant posters here for many years now.
Time will tell and I know which horse I would back right now.
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Rubik I totally agree with you.
The saddest thing is the same old (!!) characters on here who droan on about the same old thing. It would be interesting to see actually how sad and lacking their lives are.
So come on camel, stansdead..and who ever...come and write your very "important" views on here.
I will be off...have a life to live, flying to enjoy, and above all a life rather than being sddicted to this all the time.
Well done Ryanair...keep the old twisted farts out!!
The saddest thing is the same old (!!) characters on here who droan on about the same old thing. It would be interesting to see actually how sad and lacking their lives are.
So come on camel, stansdead..and who ever...come and write your very "important" views on here.
I will be off...have a life to live, flying to enjoy, and above all a life rather than being sddicted to this all the time.
Well done Ryanair...keep the old twisted farts out!!
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I just want to add this:
I think Ryanair are the best airline in Europe, and probably the world. I have given up my British Airways Gold Card as I found a better airline!
British Airways, who once might of actually been good - absolutely screwed me over!
They broke my laptop bag, and lost my checked luggage, which had a expensive suit, I got nothing.
Ryanair, however, have some of the greatest, hardworking, devoted staff that I have ever come across. They have always been polite, courteous, and extremely kind! I have enjoyed every minute of my flying. And for the past 4 years, once a fortnight when I fly for work. I really enjoy it!
I just think that if some people don't like Ryanair, they can go to hell. Ryanair are doing a excellent job, and I totally praise every single employee.
I think they have to put up with a lot of crap, and it isn't fair. When another airline flies more passengers than Ryanair they can accept it! Until then, keep your opinions to yourself.
I want to say THANK YOU RYANAIR!!!
Too many people are quick to moan, groan, and criticize, they never seem to appreciate the times when Ryanair does something good, which 99.99% of the time - they do.
I totally appreciate everything a Ryanair employee has done for me!
Nick.
I think Ryanair are the best airline in Europe, and probably the world. I have given up my British Airways Gold Card as I found a better airline!
British Airways, who once might of actually been good - absolutely screwed me over!
They broke my laptop bag, and lost my checked luggage, which had a expensive suit, I got nothing.
Ryanair, however, have some of the greatest, hardworking, devoted staff that I have ever come across. They have always been polite, courteous, and extremely kind! I have enjoyed every minute of my flying. And for the past 4 years, once a fortnight when I fly for work. I really enjoy it!
I just think that if some people don't like Ryanair, they can go to hell. Ryanair are doing a excellent job, and I totally praise every single employee.
I think they have to put up with a lot of crap, and it isn't fair. When another airline flies more passengers than Ryanair they can accept it! Until then, keep your opinions to yourself.
I want to say THANK YOU RYANAIR!!!
Too many people are quick to moan, groan, and criticize, they never seem to appreciate the times when Ryanair does something good, which 99.99% of the time - they do.
I totally appreciate everything a Ryanair employee has done for me!
Nick.
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- I took my family on holiday with Ryanair - we got treated fine. I am talking about a quite young family with 2 young kids.
- We didn't get treated like ****, and certainly I think there are a loyal customer backbone. I saw 6 other businessmen and businesswomen on a flight to Dublin last month. They seem to choose Ryanair for their business flights.
- I gave up a Gold BA card, so they must be good!
- The employee's are not treated like crap, as they would quit.
- The difference with SouthWest, is the customers only come back when they know the plane hasn't crashed. I've been with them - they are pretty terrible.
- If you don't like Ryanair, fine - but when you can't afford to fly with BA. I bet I see you on a Ryanair flight.
- To get there, safely, comfortably, on-time, and cheaply. Fly Ryanair! And at the end of the day - that is what you want? Or do you expect yesterdays newspaper on the seat? Or maybe a free drink as you think you've deserved it? Or some disgusting sandwich? If you want that, and probably Hell. Fly British Airways.
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what is this comparison with ryanair and BA ?? 2 totally different operations,with customers at opposite ends of the spectrum.both fulfill a market niche and both have admirers and critics.to compare the two is ludicrous.travelling on business to hong kong,company paying for the travel,book at ba.com.....taking the kids to see the in-laws living in rural france,ryanair wins hands down.BA are concentrating on long haul business class and first traffic.ryanair are offering cheap fares to obscure european destinations.both will survive and eventually prosper,but to compare the two in rediculous.the BA first and business class product is superb and great fun if the company pays the fare and as a result will always be in demand.ryanair offer cheap,no frills travel on short haul trips.....cheap,nasty,but usually on time,you get what you pay for.i despise the drinks from plastic sachets with no ice,just dreadfull .but france for £50 return,who is complaining ?i just fear that fuel at the price it is,will destroy the locost model and make the full service airlines the choice in future.unless you are travelling to one of these obscure destinations,only accessible by ryanair and the like.you know the ones,just a few miles from the remote holiday home !
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Big loss if you include the Aer Lingus shares!
Ryanair's announced fiscal first quarter profit of €21 million ($32.7 million) did not include a €93.6 million writedown in the value of its stake in Aer Lingus nor €17.9 million in accelerated depreciation on 15 aircraft scheduled for disposal during the 2009-10 fiscal year. As a result, the actual result for the three months ended June 30 attributable to equity holders was a steep €90.5 million loss. The company's operating profit was €7.9 million, down from €157.5 million in the year-ago period. It counted the fleet depreciation charge against its final operating result (ATWOnline, July 29).